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Post by madmikev40 on Nov 26, 2017 22:23:49 GMT
Since when is the Klan a Christian group? Well first off you dismissed the KKK as being not relevant in this discussion earlier, but the KKK was and is founded on Christian Protestantism Quoted from the article. So all Christians must burn crosses then? |
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Post by madmikev40 on Nov 26, 2017 22:24:57 GMT
tpfkar No because I call out they hypocrisy of the Muslim minority Nah, you're a probity-free aggressive bot who rots the system from the inside.  Much more dangerous.
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.If you think I'm a computer bot than why are you arguing with a program? |
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Post by cupcakes on Nov 26, 2017 22:25:19 GMT
tpfkar Well first off you dismissed the KKK as being not relevant in this discussion earlier, but the KKK was and is founded on Christian Protestantism Quoted from the article. So all Christians must burn crosses then? Good lord the denseness. 
Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
Who are you to say who is and who is not a Christian? The groups mentioned in the contemporary section are Christian, a big example would be the Army of God, any denial of that would have to be evidenced and is likely to fall under the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. As a Christian I accept that there are people that identify as Christian but who fall short of what I feel Christianity represents, but I am not in a position to say they are not Christian, nor I suspect are you. Unless they are recognised by the church then nope they aren't Christians Which church? |
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Post by cupcakes on Nov 26, 2017 22:28:19 GMT
tpfkar Nah, you're a probity-free aggressive bot who rots the system from the inside. Much more dangerous.
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.If you think I'm a computer bot than why are you arguing with a program? Your logic is impeccable.
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 22:29:08 GMT
Well first off you dismissed the KKK as being not relevant in this discussion earlier, but the KKK was and is founded on Christian Protestantism Quoted from the article. So all Christians must burn crosses then? You may not like it, but the KKK are Christian. But hey lets dismiss them for no reason other than you don't like them. How about the Army of God, or these guys: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura |
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Post by madmikev40 on Nov 26, 2017 22:32:42 GMT
More tribal warfare, nothing to do with Christianity |
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Post by madmikev40 on Nov 26, 2017 22:33:13 GMT
Unless they are recognised by the church then nope they aren't Christians Which church? What you don't even know yourself? |
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Post by madmikev40 on Nov 26, 2017 22:33:51 GMT
Compared to your lack of logic. |
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Post by cupcakes on Nov 26, 2017 22:34:54 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 22:35:30 GMT
More tribal warfare, nothing to do with Christianity Army of God is a Christian anti-abortion group in the US, so not really into tribal warfare, the NLFT are a group dedicated to expanding the kingdom of god and jesus christ. Honestly if you are going to respond again please do so with just a modicum of nous, it is becoming quite apparent that you have not really thought about your stance at all. |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 22:37:08 GMT
What you don't even know yourself? I know a bunch of churches, and all the groups described are in fact branches of their own churches, I know clearly what I am talking about, I am wondering if you do. You said they have to be supported by the church, did you mean a specific one, or so you have a list? |
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 26, 2017 22:43:14 GMT
Lets be real here Gad. You can point to Uganda and CAR. You could probably include the former Yugoslavia if you like, but the scale of the two things is not even close. Not in number of attacks, number of deaths nor how widespread they are. Because Christians follow a hippy, woodwork enthusiast who lived with his mum and Muslims follow a warlord who loved to kill Jews and rape children. |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 22:49:11 GMT
Lets be real here Gad. You can point to Uganda and CAR. You could probably include the former Yugoslavia if you like, but the scale of the two things is not even close. Not in number of attacks, number of deaths nor how widespread they are. Because Christians follow a hippy, woodwork enthusiast who lived with his mum and Muslims follow a warlord who loved to kill Jews and rape children. The guy asked for examples of Christian terrorism, I gave them. Scale is not what he asked for, but I will humour you (at least you are responding, not just typing standard troll responses). I actually do not consider scale important, elsewise anyone that commits genocide does not count unless they score higher than the Nazis (arguably more Christian terrorists by the way, but lets leave that). So sure in contemporary times there may be an argument that Muslim extremism is more dangerous than Christian terrorism ( to be honest I think we would have to do a lot of reading and research to verify that as a lot of Christian terrorism is hidden in western media whereas Muslim terrorism is publicised), but I would still say that as Christians (I am, I don't know about you) we need to look at addressing our own issues as well, just because they are not as frequent does not make them less relevant, in fact you could argue that they are more relevant as they are being ignored. |
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Post by tickingmask on Nov 26, 2017 23:33:25 GMT
To be clear, allowing someone religious freedom allows then to take the stance that ... gays are icky That's total nonsense. Allowing someone freedom of expression does that. Religious freedom is something entirely different. Stop propogating the myth that 'gays are icky' is a religious statement and nothing more. |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 26, 2017 23:54:14 GMT
To be clear, allowing someone religious freedom allows then to take the stance that ... gays are icky That's total nonsense. Allowing someone freedom of expression does that. Religious freedom is something entirely different. Stop propogating the myth that 'gays are icky' is a religious statement and nothing more. I freedom of expression allows them to state it, but freedom of religion allows them to follow a religion that makes them say it. To be fair it was a pretty bad example. |
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Post by Isapop on Nov 26, 2017 23:56:03 GMT
To be clear, allowing someone religious freedom allows then to take the stance that ... gays are icky Stop propogating the myth that 'gays are icky' is a religious statement and nothing more. The oft repeated myth that "gays are icky" stems from a London reporter's misquotation of Oscar Wilde, who said in an interview late in his life, "Gays are cliquey." |
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Post by thorshairspray on Nov 27, 2017 0:25:57 GMT
Lets be real here Gad. You can point to Uganda and CAR. You could probably include the former Yugoslavia if you like, but the scale of the two things is not even close. Not in number of attacks, number of deaths nor how widespread they are. Because Christians follow a hippy, woodwork enthusiast who lived with his mum and Muslims follow a warlord who loved to kill Jews and rape children. The guy asked for examples of Christian terrorism, I gave them. Scale is not what he asked for, but I will humour you (at least you are responding, not just typing standard troll responses). I actually do not consider scale important, elsewise anyone that commits genocide does not count unless they score higher than the Nazis (arguably more Christian terrorists by the way, but lets leave that). So sure in contemporary times there may be an argument that Muslim extremism is more dangerous than Christian terrorism ( to be honest I think we would have to do a lot of reading and research to verify that as a lot of Christian terrorism is hidden in western media whereas Muslim terrorism is publicised), but I would still say that as Christians (I am, I don't know about you) we need to look at addressing our own issues as well, just because they are not as frequent does not make them less relevant, in fact you could argue that they are more relevant as they are being ignored. How is scale not important when assessing comparative threat? Thats like saying I should be just as cautious of a meteor hitting me as I am a car hitting me. And the disparity isn't arguable. Boko Haram killed around 6000 people in 2016 alone, that would be ten years worth of homicide in the UK, more than the EU for a year. How many Christian groups can you point to that are comparable? On what basis are you claiming that Christian terrorism is hidden? And yes, we need to address our issues, but if my car has a broken radio and a flat tyre, I know which I will fix first. |
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Post by gadreel on Nov 27, 2017 0:32:02 GMT
The guy asked for examples of Christian terrorism, I gave them. Scale is not what he asked for, but I will humour you (at least you are responding, not just typing standard troll responses). I actually do not consider scale important, elsewise anyone that commits genocide does not count unless they score higher than the Nazis (arguably more Christian terrorists by the way, but lets leave that). So sure in contemporary times there may be an argument that Muslim extremism is more dangerous than Christian terrorism ( to be honest I think we would have to do a lot of reading and research to verify that as a lot of Christian terrorism is hidden in western media whereas Muslim terrorism is publicised), but I would still say that as Christians (I am, I don't know about you) we need to look at addressing our own issues as well, just because they are not as frequent does not make them less relevant, in fact you could argue that they are more relevant as they are being ignored. How is scale not important when assessing comparative threat? Thats like saying I should be just as cautious of a meteor hitting me as I am a car hitting me. And the disparity isn't arguable. Boko Haram killed around 6000 people in 2016 alone, that would be ten years worth of homicide in the UK, more than the EU for a year. How many Christian groups can you point to that are comparable? On what basis are you claiming that Christian terrorism is hidden? And yes, we need to address our issues, but if my car has a broken radio and a flat tyre, I know which I will fix first. Scale IS important when assessing comparative threat, but here is something else you added that was not in the conversation previously. Christian terrorism is underreported in the west, this is an obvious fact given how little people are aware of the reality of ongoing christian terrorism. If YOUR car has two issues broken, sure priortise them. But a better analogy would be calling out your neighbor as a person who does not take care of his car when his tyre is flat, meanwhile ignoring your broken window. Let me be clear, I am not at this point willing to go into a comparison of Muslim vs Christian terrorism, what I am saying is that Christian terrorism exists and pointing to Muslims engaging in more terrorism is not a valid way to mitigate that fact. |
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Post by rizdek on Nov 27, 2017 1:34:20 GMT
NOW, all these religious nuts are coming out and demanding 'religious freedom' which actually has nothing to do with whether same sex couples are allowed to marry as all they are demanding is the civil ( not necessarily religious ) right to marry like everyone else and not be discriminated against as a group. This makes no sense. Who is claiming that religious freedom has anything to do with allowing sex couples to marry? Link please. Not sure what country you are from, but in the good ole' USA, plenty of people think gay marriage threatens their religious freedom. |
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