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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 6:33:41 GMT
I find that if I know that they believe in God from the outset, then I can manage to find respect for the person. But if I've known them for a while, formed a certain opinion of them (if that opinion is favourable), and then later find out that they believe in God, it is very difficult to reconcile that latter fact with the esteem in which I'd previously held them and it becomes difficult to find respect for them again.
It's not just religion, but people who hold certain views, especially views on the conservative end of the spectrum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 11:59:08 GMT
I certainly don't respect anyone's religious beliefs; any beliefs should be regarded on their merits, IMO, not granted respect as a matter of course. And religious beliefs are not worthy of respect, IMO, lacking any real foundation as they do.
But disrespecting a person's individual beliefs doesn't necessarily invalidate all respect for the person. That rather depends on the beliefs and how the person applies them. If the little old lady down the street goes to church on sundays and is otherwise a nice and reasonable person, then fair enough; I'll give her the respect I'd give most anybody.
The person who thinks that gay marriage should be banned and shrugs off their attitude as not being bigotry because they're just obeying what they think the bible says? Not so much. I don't respect that person very much at all.
The person who thinks he should blow up a busload of schoolchildren because allah wills it? Yeah, he doesn't get my respect at all.
In both cases it's less about the belief and more about what the person does with it that earns or doesn't earn my respect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 12:14:47 GMT
I am familiar with that OP from lurking the politics board; I put him on block right away. The others are probably from the politics board, too. So, yeah, the Twilight Zone... This was originally posted on Politics, but it got moved here by Admin. The link to the thread is still over there for Politics regulars to see; that’s why they’re seeing (and replying to) the thread. Ah, that makes sense. In that case; welcome to our humble abode newbies. Cookies and coffee are on the house. Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks, and enjoy your stay. --RFAS Establishment Careful, vamoires also need to be invited in before they suck the life out of you
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 12:32:43 GMT
I guess I'm not very tolerant but religion is just retarded This is probably the first thing you've said that I agree with.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 12:36:09 GMT
What leap of blind faith?? You have no evidence that there is no supreme intelligence, no prime mover, no uncaused cause. Furthermore, you can't prove a negative, especially one as broad as this one. I guess we have an explanation for your mathematics grade. If only that test hadn't asked you to provide the proof that there's no rational number whose square is 2.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 12:38:59 GMT
Who's we? You and your faggot husband? Lulz...my soon to be ex-husband would hand you your ass on here in a political or theological debate. He sometimes goes to a messianic temple to worship, so you'd be too triggered to carry on a conversation anyway. Too bad he couldn't hand anyone their ass in a "why we should stay married" debate. That has more practical use.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 1, 2017 12:52:02 GMT
tpfkar I find that if I know that they believe in God from the outset, then I can manage to find respect for the person. But if I've known them for a while, formed a certain opinion of them (if that opinion is favourable), and then later find out that they believe in God, it is very difficult to reconcile that latter fact with the esteem in which I'd previously held them and it becomes difficult to find respect for them again. It's not just religion, but people who hold certain views, especially views on the conservative end of the spectrum. Self-hate is a terrible thing. Esp. projected outward. And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 1, 2017 14:42:07 GMT
Ah, that makes sense. In that case; welcome to our humble abode newbies. Cookies and coffee are on the house. Please don't feed the trolls. Thanks, and enjoy your stay. --RFAS Establishment Careful, vamoires also need to be invited in before they suck the life out of you As long as we 'Let the Right One In.'
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Post by Marv on Dec 1, 2017 15:27:07 GMT
I guess we all have our lines in the sand. Faith that doesn't align with my own has never been where I draw the line for respect. I know too many good people that believe in a higher power. That's not to say I'll abide any conversation that lends itself to that faith. If we're discussing the topic I'll share all my thoughts, however disrespectful toward that faith they may be...but I won't disrespect the person until they give me a better reason to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 15:30:31 GMT
Lulz...my soon to be ex-husband would hand you your ass on here in a political or theological debate. He sometimes goes to a messianic temple to worship, so you'd be too triggered to carry on a conversation anyway. Too bad he couldn't hand anyone their ass in a "why we should stay married" debate. That has more practical use. Was that a shot? Expected any time one shares any kind of personal information on a message board, I guess, but surprising that anyone would defend the OP, an obvious troll.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 15:34:07 GMT
Too bad he couldn't hand anyone their ass in a "why we should stay married" debate. That has more practical use. Was that a shot? Expected any time one shares any kind of personal information on a message board, I guess, but surprising that anyone would defend the OP, an obvious troll. It was primarily a shot at boasting about your ex being able to "hand someone their ass" in a debate about religious views, where your husband would be supporting religious beliefs. Yeah, I know the OP is a troll, but I agree with him on this one thing at least. I don't think that your ex would be able to "hand me my ass" in a debate about this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 15:43:24 GMT
Was that a shot? Expected any time one shares any kind of personal information on a message board, I guess, but surprising that anyone would defend the OP, an obvious troll. It was primarily a shot at boasting about your ex being able to "hand someone their ass" in a debate about religious views, where your husband would be supporting religious beliefs. Yeah, I know the OP is a troll, but I agree with him on this one thing at least. I don't think that your ex would be able to "hand me my ass" in a debate about this stuff. Oh I think he would, but it's neither here nor there.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 16:07:01 GMT
It was primarily a shot at boasting about your ex being able to "hand someone their ass" in a debate about religious views, where your husband would be supporting religious beliefs. Yeah, I know the OP is a troll, but I agree with him on this one thing at least. I don't think that your ex would be able to "hand me my ass" in a debate about this stuff. Oh I think he would, but it's neither here nor there. I'm not doubting that you or he might have that opinion. Hence one reason for the shot. That's one thing that you've admitted didn't work out so well, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 17:06:33 GMT
tpfkar I find that if I know that they believe in God from the outset, then I can manage to find respect for the person. But if I've known them for a while, formed a certain opinion of them (if that opinion is favourable), and then later find out that they believe in God, it is very difficult to reconcile that latter fact with the esteem in which I'd previously held them and it becomes difficult to find respect for them again. It's not just religion, but people who hold certain views, especially views on the conservative end of the spectrum. Self-hate is a terrible thing. Esp. projected outward. And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.I don't believe in God, nor do I hold or espouse any especially conservative opinions.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 1, 2017 17:09:49 GMT
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Post by Cinemachinery on Dec 1, 2017 17:25:41 GMT
I bet people are just pining for this guy's respect.
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Post by MightyMikey on Dec 1, 2017 17:52:35 GMT
I invented nothing. Only narcissists believe the world began when they were born. Who says I believe anything? I don't fight for the belief in nothing, though. Who said I think the world began when I was born? Dumbass. "Who said I think the world began when I was born, Dumb ass?" I fixed your quote. Only a dumb ass would ignore thousands of years of history and the reasoning behind the development of religion.
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Post by THawk on Dec 1, 2017 18:23:39 GMT
I certainly don't respect anyone's religious beliefs; any beliefs should be regarded on their merits, IMO, not granted respect as a matter of course. And religious beliefs are not worthy of respect, IMO, lacking any real foundation as they do. But disrespecting a person's individual beliefs doesn't necessarily invalidate all respect for the person. That rather depends on the beliefs and how the person applies them. If the little old lady down the street goes to church on sundays and is otherwise a nice and reasonable person, then fair enough; I'll give her the respect I'd give most anybody. The person who thinks that gay marriage should be banned and shrugs off their attitude as not being bigotry because they're just obeying what they think the bible says? Not so much. I don't respect that person very much at all. The person who thinks he should blow up a busload of schoolchildren because allah wills it? Yeah, he doesn't get my respect at all. In both cases it's less about the belief and more about what the person does with it that earns or doesn't earn my respect. Congratulations, you win the internet. Totally, not being in favor of gay marriage and blowing up schoolchildren are two comparable things that warrant a similar response. Honestly, what you people believe is so sad, so pathetic, so delusional, so bigoted and toxic....it would be wonderful if it all was confined to these dark irrelevant web corners, but sadly more and more of this blind hatred is spewing and affecting general society.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 19:09:35 GMT
Oh I think he would, but it's neither here nor there. I'm not doubting that you or he might have that opinion. Hence one reason for the shot. That's one thing that you've admitted didn't work out so well, at least. Maybe not everyone, but definitely the OP.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Dec 1, 2017 19:13:50 GMT
I'm not doubting that you or he might have that opinion. Hence one reason for the shot. That's one thing that you've admitted didn't work out so well, at least. Maybe not everyone, but definitely the OP. Ah. Yeah,I wasn't campaigning for his debating skills, haha.
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