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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 1, 2017 2:19:28 GMT
Seriously man, every time you bring them up it just becomes a huge controversy!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 2:23:32 GMT
Maybe because DCEU villains are equally as weak, so why doesn't the question focus on CBM villains in general?  |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 1, 2017 2:38:23 GMT
I guess it violates one of the commandments or something.
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Post by scabab on Dec 1, 2017 2:39:12 GMT
Well the villains aren't that good but they aren't bad either. Theyre no worse than the average nowadays.
I think it's just that all the hero characters have been done so well, even ones nobody really cared about that it makes the villains just look so bland in comparison.
Especially as most the villains are just shallow evil versions of the the hero with little screen time.
They came up with Loki early on and he was great but they've never pulled that off again which is why people always harp on about him.
They just need more screentime really.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 1, 2017 3:29:49 GMT
Maybe because DCEU villains are equally as weak, so why doesn't the question focus on CBM villains in general? The MCU and DCEU are not the only comic book movies ever made, you know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:39:21 GMT
Maybe because DCEU villains are equally as weak, so why doesn't the question focus on CBM villains in general? The MCU and DCEU are not the only comic book movies ever made, you know. Where did I say that wasn't the case? |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 1, 2017 3:41:41 GMT
The MCU and DCEU are not the only comic book movies ever made, you know. Where did I say that wasn't the case? You said that there are equally bad villains in the DCEU as in the MCU. You are limiting yourself to two franchises when you also mention comic book movies as a whole. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:45:31 GMT
They're no more or less than most other movie villains. People only pretend Marvel has a villain problem because they WANT there to be a problem. Just look at the villains for the Lethal Weapon series, Die Hard, and most other films of the Action or Suspence genres the MCU falls into. It stirs up a lot of controversy around here because people WANT there to be a problem and those of us who know there isn't a problem are tired of talking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:48:59 GMT
Where did I say that wasn't the case? You said that there are equally bad villains in the DCEU as in the MCU. You are limiting yourself to two franchises when you also mention comic book movies as a whole. You are making an incorrect assumption. I can see why you might make it and maybe I could have written the sentence differently but you assumption is incorrect all the same.  |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 1, 2017 3:53:00 GMT
You said that there are equally bad villains in the DCEU as in the MCU. You are limiting yourself to two franchises when you also mention comic book movies as a whole. You are making an incorrect assumption. I can see why you might make it and maybe I could have written the sentence differently but you assumption is incorrect all the same. Alright fair enough, I just don't want people to forget about all the great villains back in the Raimi movies, Dark Knight trilogy, X-Men movies, and even the Donner Superman movies. I guess you were going for the more recent comic book movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:55:06 GMT
You are making an incorrect assumption. I can see why you might make it and maybe I could have written the sentence differently but you assumption is incorrect all the same. Alright fair enough, I just don't want people to forget about all the great villains back in the Raimi movies, Dark Knight trilogy, X-Men movies, and even the Donner Superman movies. I guess you were going for the more recent comic book movies. Of the whole lot, only The Joker was a great villain. Magneto is a good villain, but that's all. None of the Raimi Spider-Man villains qualify as great whatsoever. And I wasn't exactly impressed with Hackman's Lex or Stamp's Zod. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 1, 2017 4:00:10 GMT
Alright fair enough, I just don't want people to forget about all the great villains back in the Raimi movies, Dark Knight trilogy, X-Men movies, and even the Donner Superman movies. I guess you were going for the more recent comic book movies. Of the whole lot, only The Joker was a great villain. Magneto is a good villain, but that's all. None of the Raimi Spider-Man villains qualify as great whatsoever. And I wasn't exactly impressed with Hackman's Lex or Stamp's Zod. Not a fan of Neeson's Ra's al Ghul? Or (the ones I forgot to mention above) Nicholson's Joker and/or Devito's Penguin? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 4:03:59 GMT
Of the whole lot, only The Joker was a great villain. Magneto is a good villain, but that's all. None of the Raimi Spider-Man villains qualify as great whatsoever. And I wasn't exactly impressed with Hackman's Lex or Stamp's Zod. Not a fan of Neeson's Ra's al Ghul? Or (the ones I forgot to mention above) Nicholson's Joker and/or Devito's Penguin? Neeson's Ra's al Ghul and Nicholson's Joker are just good villains. Devito's character was NOT the Penguin. I don't care if they called him the Penguin, he was NOT the Penguin. That character was closer to Kill Croc. The only proper live-action Penguin we've ever had was Burgess Meredith's. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 1, 2017 4:16:18 GMT
Not a fan of Neeson's Ra's al Ghul? Or (the ones I forgot to mention above) Nicholson's Joker and/or Devito's Penguin? Neeson's Ra's al Ghul and Nicholson's Joker are just good villains. Devito's character was NOT the Penguin. I don't care if they called him the Penguin, he was NOT the Penguin. That character was closer to Kill Croc. The only proper live-action Penguin we've ever had was Burgess Meredith's. I like Devito's Penguin, but I remember thinking at the time that I might be the only one. He is pretty far from the source material, so I can understand why people don't like him. Neeson's Ra's al Ghul has grown on me. I really like him now, when I previously didn't all that much. I love Nicholson's Joker, but you already know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 4:20:43 GMT
Neeson's Ra's al Ghul and Nicholson's Joker are just good villains. Devito's character was NOT the Penguin. I don't care if they called him the Penguin, he was NOT the Penguin. That character was closer to Kill Croc. The only proper live-action Penguin we've ever had was Burgess Meredith's. I like Devito's Penguin, but I remember thinking at the time that I might be the only one. He is pretty far from the source material, so I can understand why people don't like him. Neeson's Ra's al Ghul has grown on me. I really like him now, when I previously didn't all that much. I love Nicholson's Joker, but you already know that. #TeamMeredith I like Neeson's Ra's al Ghul, too, but I'm not going to call him a great cinematic villain. He's just not. He's just a James Bond villain given the name of a Batman villain, but still enjoyable. As for Nicholson's Joker: I prefer my actors to actually have to act to play the horrible, rude clown man. You have to like Nicholson's personality to enjoy his performances, and I don't. |
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Post by TheHiawatha on Dec 1, 2017 5:00:26 GMT
Well the villains aren't that good but they aren't bad either. Theyre no worse than the average nowadays. I think it's just that all the hero characters have been done so well, even ones nobody really cared about that it makes the villains just look so bland in comparison. Especially as most the villains are just shallow evil versions of the the hero with little screen time. They came up with Loki early on and he was great but they've never pulled that off again which is why people always harp on about him. They just need more screentime really. Fair enough. However, I think the overall consensus is looking pretty solid in retrospect for The Vulture. He's been widely considered by both critics and fans to be a top-notch supervillain in his own right, perhaps just about up there with Loki. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 1, 2017 11:52:22 GMT
Maybe because DCEU villains are equally as weak, so why doesn't the question focus on CBM villains in general? Well for starters this is a MCU board. So I wanted it to be on topic. As for the DCEU, there's been plenty of criticism about the villains, especially with BvS and suicide squad. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 1, 2017 11:57:53 GMT
They're no more or less than most other movie villains. People only pretend Marvel has a villain problem because they WANT there to be a problem. Just look at the villains for the Lethal Weapon series, Die Hard, and most other films of the Action or Suspence genres the MCU falls into. It stirs up a lot of controversy around here because people WANT there to be a problem and those of us who know there isn't a problem are tired of talking about it. The treatment of The Mandarin was definitely a problem for many, remember that controversy? Personally I feel that Marvel missing out on building up a supervillain team. |
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Post by miike80 on Dec 1, 2017 12:52:21 GMT
some are not good such as the one in Ant-Man or Whiplash. In recent times they had some good ones, like Vulture, Ego and Hela( even if i didn't like Ragnarok). And i really liked Zemo also
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 1, 2017 13:13:50 GMT
They're no more or less than most other movie villains. People only pretend Marvel has a villain problem because they WANT there to be a problem. Just look at the villains for the Lethal Weapon series, Die Hard, and most other films of the Action or Suspence genres the MCU falls into. It stirs up a lot of controversy around here because people WANT there to be a problem and those of us who know there isn't a problem are tired of talking about it. The treatment of The Mandarin was definitely a problem for many, remember that controversy? Personally I feel that Marvel missing out on building up a supervillain team. The real problem with Iron Man 3 and the Mandarin was that they pulled off the twist so well, audience goers really were sucked in and no one likes being made to feel foolish or admit they were fooled. Even if that was the whole point, to essentially prank the audience. Look at Dark Knight Rises and how everyone pretty much guessed the Talia twist before the movie came out. No one was upset, because no one was fooled. |
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