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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 18:01:20 GMT
I think it has to be said, yes. Without a reboot, it is very clear that people have given up on DC films in massive numbers, and won't be easy to win back. That's why a reboot has to happen in order to project a new commitment to quality. Without that, every film will have to fight the burden that the DCEU undeniably now is. Marvel sells Doctor Strange and Ant Man because it's Marvel. They have trust. How is DC going to sell Shazam when people have given up on DC? The answer is they can't unless they rebuild now.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 3, 2017 18:08:00 GMT
No.
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 18:09:15 GMT
No not at all, evident from Wonder Woman being hugely successful, with a higher domestic gross than Civil War and one of the most profitable movies of 2017.
Justice League underperformed on the basis of it being a sequel to Batman vs Superman which people didn't really like. This also got bad reviews which obviously didn't help.
It's the norm for sequels to see a drop off when the previous movie is disliked.
It's also been a year where many sequels have made considerably less. Fast and the Furious 8, Justice League, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Transformers 5, Planet of the Apes 3, Cars 3, Alien Covenant and 50 Shades of Grey all made hundreds of millions less than the previous one.
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Post by primeone on Dec 3, 2017 18:30:20 GMT
You should’ve seen this guy on one of the live YouTube film talk channels. I thought he was just a normal troll on here but his actions are totally different outside of this. It was actually pretty funny lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 18:37:26 GMT
thisguy, primeone is accusing you of trolling live Youtube channels. What is your response?  |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 3, 2017 18:51:10 GMT
thisguy, primeone is accusing you of trolling live Youtube channels. What is your response? If he is, that’s not my problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 19:02:21 GMT
thisguy, primeone is accusing you of trolling live Youtube channels. What is your response? If he is, that’s not my problem. It's a pretty heinous accusation if you ask me. Are you sure you don't want to beat him up?  |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 3, 2017 19:12:37 GMT
Hey, you're back!
But you're also wrong.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2017 19:19:04 GMT
No.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
Hey, you're back! But you're also wrong. He definitely prefers the MCU over Sergio Leone.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 19:34:08 GMT
No not at all, evident from Wonder Woman being hugely successful, with a higher domestic gross than Civil War and one of the most profitable movies of 2017. Justice League underperformed on the basis of it being a sequel to Batman vs Superman which people didn't really like. This also got bad reviews which obviously didn't help. It's the norm for sequels to see a drop off when the previous movie is disliked. It's also been a year where many sequels have made considerably less. Fast and the Furious 8, Justice League, Pirates of the Caribbean 5, Transformers 5, Planet of the Apes 3, Cars 3, Alien Covenant and 50 Shades of Grey all made hundreds of millions less than the previous one. I think it's more than just coming off a poor movie. Concerning the lower amount for sequels, that certainly didn't hurt Thor, Guardians, or Spiderman, so I don't see how that's a relevant excuse for Justice League. And Justice League didn't just drop off, it utterly failed. But what's happened here is that DC has a whole has lost trust. I know you want to point to WW's domestic gross, but the fact is she lost to Thor, Guardians, and Spidey this year, and yes, she was successful, no doubt, but that's an exception to the rule for DC right now, not a source for hope. And how do they limp on with only one decent franchise? why would they? Why not just start over with a new commitment to do something right for a change? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 19:37:07 GMT
Hey, you're back! But you're also wrong. I am!!! And I might be, but I don't think putting DC on a film right now is doing it any favors. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 19:37:44 GMT
Hey, you're back! But you're also wrong. He definitely prefers the MCU over Sergio Leone. Shit, now you made me watch the man with no name trilogy again. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 3, 2017 20:14:19 GMT
No, but they definitely need to get their shit together!
What WB needs to do is the following:
1. Open a DC film studio and give Geoff Johns the keys.
2. ? ? ?
3. Profit!
We get more films like Wonder Woman and less like BVS, Suicide Squad and Justice League (WB mess of a cut).
It's a win- win for us all!
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 3, 2017 20:41:45 GMT
You should’ve seen this guy on one of the live YouTube film talk channels. I thought he was just a normal troll on here but his actions are totally different outside of this. It was actually pretty funny lol. Are you referring to Arf Arf? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 3, 2017 20:43:44 GMT
Hey, you're back! But you're also wrong. And Arf Arf is back to his trolling ways! |
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Post by reelreviews2 on Dec 3, 2017 20:54:41 GMT
The "DC" brand name is fine. Plenty of iconic movies have been released over the last 30 years based on DC characters.
The Snyderverse brand name, on the other hand, is a COMPLETE JOKE and has been from the START. No one wants to see any more movies set in THAT universe. The fact WB and fanboys of this failed universe continue to deny that FACT is just plain sad at this point. How many CERTIFIED ROTTEN movies do they have to get before they accept reality?
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 21:40:33 GMT
I think it's more than just coming off a poor movie. Concerning the lower amount for sequels, that certainly didn't hurt Thor, Guardians, or Spiderman, so I don't see how that's a relevant excuse for Justice League. And Justice League didn't just drop off, it utterly failed. But what's happened here is that DC has a whole has lost trust. I know you want to point to WW's domestic gross, but the fact is she lost to Thor, Guardians, and Spidey this year, and yes, she was successful, no doubt, but that's an exception to the rule for DC right now, not a source for hope. And how do they limp on with only one decent franchise? why would they? Why not just start over with a new commitment to do something right for a change? It didn't hurt the Marvel movies but many others suffered this year. War for the Planet Apes dropped off by $220 million from Dawn even though both of those movies got fantastic reviews. Wonder Woman made a similar level of money to those movies and it was just her first movie. It had a lower budget than those other movies and a much larger domestic gross which will mean it will be more profitable than all of them. The series has really only just started. They haven't really covered that much ground that they need to start over. They haven't even covered most of the heroes and hardly any of the villains yet. They haven't covered any of the major storylines, only just getting starting on the whole Darkseid thing. Suicide Squad isn't a significant part of DC so they can simply put an end to that sub series and it wouldn't really matter. They've got Flash, Shazam, Cyborg and Aquaman movies planned (plus others). If they can get them right, do Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Green Arrow movies and get them right. If they get new people in charge and take their time then it's easily salvaged. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 3, 2017 21:55:08 GMT
I think it's more than just coming off a poor movie. Concerning the lower amount for sequels, that certainly didn't hurt Thor, Guardians, or Spiderman, so I don't see how that's a relevant excuse for Justice League. And Justice League didn't just drop off, it utterly failed. But what's happened here is that DC has a whole has lost trust. I know you want to point to WW's domestic gross, but the fact is she lost to Thor, Guardians, and Spidey this year, and yes, she was successful, no doubt, but that's an exception to the rule for DC right now, not a source for hope. And how do they limp on with only one decent franchise? why would they? Why not just start over with a new commitment to do something right for a change? It didn't hurt the Marvel movies but many others suffered this year. War for the Planet Apes dropped off by $220 million from Dawn even though both of those movies got fantastic reviews. Wonder Woman made a similar level of money to those movies and it was just her first movie. It had a lower budget than those other movies and a much larger domestic gross which will mean it will be more profitable than all of them. The series has really only just started. They haven't really covered that much ground that they need to start over. They haven't even covered most of the heroes and hardly any of the villains yet. They haven't covered any of the major storylines, only just getting starting on the whole Darkseid thing. Suicide Squad isn't a significant part of DC so they can simply put an end to that sub series and it wouldn't really matter. They've got Flash, Shazam, Cyborg and Aquaman movies planned (plus others). If they can get them right, do Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Green Arrow movies and get them right. If they get new people in charge and take their time then it's easily salvaged. WW made a similar amount, but I'd argue there's as much of a reason to think she'll go down or stay level during a next outing, moreso that I would say for nearly any other franchise. Her domestic success isn't the barometer, the overseas is. Her domestic total is a result of the woman factor playing stronger in the states and although it might work just as well next time, it also might not if the less common female audience isn't as motivated the second time around. I would also argue that I was convinced by that film that they could make a truly compelling story. It was ok, but I didn't really see anything special about it, and they might step it up, for sure, but if they don't and that's the best we're going to get, I don't think the draw is automatically going to be any higher. She might already be at the ceiling.
The reason they need to start over with the DCEU isn't that they haven't covered much ground, it's that they've established a negative reputation. They have to erase that and it won't happen in just one or two movies, but it could happen quicker if they just started over. All those movies you're talking about having been planned are all in jeopardy and quite frankly I'm not sure anybody outside of the fan base cares.
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Post by scabab on Dec 3, 2017 22:33:56 GMT
WW made a similar amount, but I'd argue there's as much of a reason to think she'll go down or stay level during a next outing, moreso that I would say for nearly any other franchise. Her domestic success isn't the barometer, the overseas is. Her domestic total is a result of the woman factor playing stronger in the states and although it might work just as well next time, it also might not if the less common female audience isn't as motivated the second time around. I would also argue that I was convinced by that film that they could make a truly compelling story. It was ok, but I didn't really see anything special about it, and they might step it up, for sure, but if they don't and that's the best we're going to get, I don't think the draw is automatically going to be any higher. She might already be at the ceiling. The reason they need to start over with the DCEU isn't that they haven't covered much ground, it's that they've established a negative reputation. They have to erase that and it won't happen in just one or two movies, but it could happen quicker if they just started over. All those movies you're talking about having been planned are all in jeopardy and quite frankly I'm not sure anybody outside of the fan base cares. Well there's nothing to say that Wonder Woman 2 will go down, it might go up or it might go down, it's all assumption for the time being. The domestic share will always be considered more important. They get a much bigger share of that amount. It's good that things like Spider-man Homecoming made $120 million in China, but studios only get back a pitiful 10% of that amount. The DC movies are seen in a negative way, though Justice League has fared better with audiences than critics, but they don't have to reboot it. All they have to do is make sure the next bunch of solo movies are good and if they are they can turn it around. If they rebooted it again after just starting 4 years ago then people would lose even more interest because they wouldn't want to get invested in another attempt at a cinematic universe if they were so quick to end the last one. Of the first 5 MCU movies, four of them, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America are considered amongst the worst ones in the MCU. Those movies got better over time and maybe that can be true for DC. This isn't like Fantastic Four 2015 or anything. The casting is pretty good, the main characters have been done pretty well and the lore and the story ideas have been fairly interesting. The main problem is just the writing and that they can be turned around. |
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