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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 11, 2017 1:32:49 GMT
Yes... The Star Wars Saga The Dark Knight Trilogy The Indiana Jones Trilogy The Lord of the Rings Trilogy ...are all greater cinematic achievements. But the MCU might come in fifth. Nah. None of those even approach what the MCU has accomplished. I disagree.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 11, 2017 1:42:05 GMT
I consider the MCU to be a great achievement so far, but I just don't think it even comes close to those I listed. We are all, of course, entitled to our own opinion, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Close how though? I mean if you're saying those other films are better, that's fine, I might even agree with some of them, but something like Indiana Jones for instance didn't maintain consistent quality for this long and didn't have such a big influence on multiple other studios. Yes we can have our own opinions, but I'm not sure I'm agreeing to disagree yet unless there's some reason to view Indiana Jones as having accomplished as much as what the MCU has. The Indiana Jones Trilogy is one of the most iconic and influential series of all time. There is a limitless supply of movies that are inspired by the trilogy. They were, and still are, revolutionary movies. I don't think the MCU has hit that high of a mark yet.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 1:54:06 GMT
Close how though? I mean if you're saying those other films are better, that's fine, I might even agree with some of them, but something like Indiana Jones for instance didn't maintain consistent quality for this long and didn't have such a big influence on multiple other studios. Yes we can have our own opinions, but I'm not sure I'm agreeing to disagree yet unless there's some reason to view Indiana Jones as having accomplished as much as what the MCU has. The Indiana Jones Trilogy is one of the most iconic and influential series of all time. There is a limitless supply of movies that are inspired by the trilogy. They were, and still are, revolutionary movies. I don't think the MCU has hit that high of a mark yet. Eh, the Jones movies are seen as revolutionary NOW. Back when they were coming out, not so much. Give the MCU a bit more time. And seeing how it set off all the attempts at making other Cinematic Universes I'd say that it HAS started having an effect...just that hardly anyone can copy their magic.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 2:09:47 GMT
Close how though? I mean if you're saying those other films are better, that's fine, I might even agree with some of them, but something like Indiana Jones for instance didn't maintain consistent quality for this long and didn't have such a big influence on multiple other studios. Yes we can have our own opinions, but I'm not sure I'm agreeing to disagree yet unless there's some reason to view Indiana Jones as having accomplished as much as what the MCU has. The Indiana Jones Trilogy is one of the most iconic and influential series of all time. There is a limitless supply of movies that are inspired by the trilogy. They were, and still are, revolutionary movies. I don't think the MCU has hit that high of a mark yet. Inspiration definitely counts. I might argue that the MCU is clearly affection every major studio in Hollywood though. Does that not quality as being just as or more influential?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 11, 2017 2:18:46 GMT
The Indiana Jones Trilogy is one of the most iconic and influential series of all time. There is a limitless supply of movies that are inspired by the trilogy. They were, and still are, revolutionary movies. I don't think the MCU has hit that high of a mark yet. Inspiration definitely counts. I might argue that the MCU is clearly affection every major studio in Hollywood though. Does that not quality as being just as or more influential? The MCU's influence is definitely growing. We wouldn't even have the new Godzilla-King Kong shared universe, the DCEU, the new variety in X-Men movies, or the failed Dark Universe without the MCU. Its influence just isn't as great as the Indy Trilogy, or the others I mentioned above.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 2:22:38 GMT
Inspiration definitely counts. I might argue that the MCU is clearly affection every major studio in Hollywood though. Does that not quality as being just as or more influential? The MCU's influence is definitely growing. We wouldn't even have the new Godzilla-King Kong shared universe, the DCEU, the new variety in X-Men movies, or the failed Dark Universe without the MCU. Its influence just isn't as great as the Indy Trilogy, or the others I mentioned above. Alright fair enough. I'm with you for sure. What would you say Indy has influenced then?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 11, 2017 2:40:33 GMT
The MCU's influence is definitely growing. We wouldn't even have the new Godzilla-King Kong shared universe, the DCEU, the new variety in X-Men movies, or the failed Dark Universe without the MCU. Its influence just isn't as great as the Indy Trilogy, or the others I mentioned above. Alright fair enough. I'm with you for sure. What would you say Indy has influenced then? I'd say it's influenced the Mission Impossible franchise, The Rocketeer, Captain America: The First Avenger, Romancing the Stone, The Mummy (1999), Back to the Future: Part III, X-Men: Apocalypse (it was said to be influenced by Raiders of the Lost Ark), Pirates of the Caribbean, The Lone Ranger, and Aquaman has also been said to be inspired by "Raiders". Although it's not a movie, the Uncharted video game series was also heavily inspired by the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Edit: I forgot to mention all the countless knock-offs that failed miserably, but were still influenced by Indy nonetheless. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some others.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2017 2:53:20 GMT
We're not talking about better or worse, It's not an evaluation of acting and cinematography
We're talking about bigger accomplishment,
And TDK and Indiana Jones aren't bigger accomplishments.
That makes no sense. How can you judge a movie series by anything other than what makes a movie good (acting, cinematography, writing, etc)? Just because it has more movies doesn't mean it's a greater achievement. All the aspects of filmmaking listed above is what makes those three trilogies and the Star Wars Saga better and therefore more grand of an achievement than the MCU. The MCU has yet to make a movie as iconic or influential as Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back or Raiders of the Lost Ark or The Fellowship of the Ring or The Dark Knight. You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 3:06:35 GMT
Alright fair enough. I'm with you for sure. What would you say Indy has influenced then? I'd say it's influenced the Mission Impossible franchise, The Rocketeer, Captain America: The First Avenger, Romancing the Stone, The Mummy (1999), Back to the Future: Part III, X-Men: Apocalypse (it was said to be influenced by Raiders of the Lost Ark), Pirates of the Caribbean, The Lone Ranger, and Aquaman has also been said to be inspired by "Raiders". Although it's not a movie, the Uncharted video game series was also heavily inspired by the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Edit: I forgot to mention all the countless knock-offs that failed miserably, but were still influenced by Indy nonetheless. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some others. Ok I get that. I'd still say a 22 film run is something unparalleled though and worthy of being called the bigger accomplishment. I mean nothing has ever come close.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 11, 2017 3:09:15 GMT
Yes... The Star Wars Saga The Dark Knight Trilogy The Indiana Jones Trilogy The Lord of the Rings Trilogy ...are all greater cinematic achievements. But the MCU might come in fifth. MCU doesn't come in 5th. Those are all greater cinematic achievements than MCU but there are more. Another great trilogy that's much better than MCU is the Back to the Future Trilogy.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 11, 2017 3:12:50 GMT
That makes no sense. How can you judge a movie series by anything other than what makes a movie good (acting, cinematography, writing, etc)? Just because it has more movies doesn't mean it's a greater achievement. All the aspects of filmmaking listed above is what makes those three trilogies and the Star Wars Saga better and therefore more grand of an achievement than the MCU. The MCU has yet to make a movie as iconic or influential as Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back or Raiders of the Lost Ark or The Fellowship of the Ring or The Dark Knight. You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? No, because MCU movies are all forgettable and don't stand the test of time. A decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. MCU is a lot like Disco in the 1970s. Disco was the hottest thing in America in the late 1970s, but its popularity faded almost as quickly as its rise and now it's pretty much a forgotten era. Same with the MCU. MCU's movies are forgettable and a decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 11, 2017 3:15:04 GMT
I'd say it's influenced the Mission Impossible franchise, The Rocketeer, Captain America: The First Avenger, Romancing the Stone, The Mummy (1999), Back to the Future: Part III, X-Men: Apocalypse (it was said to be influenced by Raiders of the Lost Ark), Pirates of the Caribbean, The Lone Ranger, and Aquaman has also been said to be inspired by "Raiders". Although it's not a movie, the Uncharted video game series was also heavily inspired by the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Edit: I forgot to mention all the countless knock-offs that failed miserably, but were still influenced by Indy nonetheless. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some others. Ok I get that. I'd still say a 22 film run is something unparalleled It's not unparalleled. James Bond has had 26 movies.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 11, 2017 3:18:26 GMT
That makes no sense. How can you judge a movie series by anything other than what makes a movie good (acting, cinematography, writing, etc)? Just because it has more movies doesn't mean it's a greater achievement. All the aspects of filmmaking listed above is what makes those three trilogies and the Star Wars Saga better and therefore more grand of an achievement than the MCU. The MCU has yet to make a movie as iconic or influential as Star Wars or The Empire Strikes Back or Raiders of the Lost Ark or The Fellowship of the Ring or The Dark Knight. You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? No, not yet. It's still a relatively new movie, though. I think part of the reason why it hasn't caught on comes from the fact that no other universe has really made it that far. The DCEU kinda did, but JL and The Avengers are so different in how their team-up movie was made and how they got there.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 3:23:47 GMT
No, because MCU movies are all forgettable and don't stand the test of time. Says you. Films like "Superman Returns" are what get forgotten. It's BEEN a decade, and they're more popular than ever. Good thing we aren't betting, in a decade you'll be bankrupt.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 3:32:18 GMT
You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? No, not yet. It's still a relatively new movie, though. I think part of the reason why it hasn't caught on comes from the fact that no other universe has really made it that far. The DCEU kinda did, but JL and The Avengers are so different in how their team-up movie was made and how they got there. The fact that no other universe has been as successful makes it more of an accomplishment, not less.
I don't think it's level of accomplishment will be determined by whether or not anybody else can replicate it.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 11, 2017 3:38:08 GMT
Has any cinematic endeavor accomplished more than that? Pixar’s run of outstanding animated features is comparable. It’s kind of a toss up between Pixar and the MCU. Harry Potter had a good run. Consistently good movies, a couple of them great. Call it 3rd. Star Wars is a phenomenon with a cultural impact that even the MCU can’t match. The problem is those god-awful prequels ... and the cringe-worthy Ewoks. Just too much really bad to go with the good. Peter Jackson’s series of Middle Earth films must be considered. LOTR is outstanding, but he really screwed the pooch with the Hobbit movies. Trilogies and individual films, regardless of how great they might be, simply don’t have enough entries to compare to these other endeavors that managed to sustain themselves over a long period of time with a high level of success. The don’t make the cut.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2017 3:38:19 GMT
You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? No, because MCU movies are all forgettable and don't stand the test of time. A decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. MCU is a lot like Disco in the 1970s. Disco was the hottest thing in America in the late 1970s, but its popularity faded almost as quickly as its rise and now it's pretty much a forgotten era. Same with the MCU. MCU's movies are forgettable and a decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. Nope, wrong on all accounts. You're just letting your bias do all the talking. Because of the MCU, other studios try to emulate the cinematic universe trend, including your DCEU. And it's starting to look like the DCEU will be forgotten in a decade.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 3:43:27 GMT
Has any cinematic endeavor accomplished more than that? Pixar’s run of outstanding animated features is comparable. It’s kind of a toss up between Pixar and the MCU. Harry Potter had a good run. Consistently good movies, a couple of them great. Call it 3rd. Star Wars is a phenomenon with a cultural impact that even the MCU can’t match. The problem is those god-awful prequels ... and the cringe-worthy Ewoks. Just too much really bad to go with the good. Peter Jackson’s series of Middle Earth films must be considered. LOTR is outstanding, but he really screwed the pooch with the Hobbit movies. Trilogies and individual films, regardless of how great they might be, simply don’t have enough entries to compare to these other endeavors that managed to sustain themselves over a long period of time with a high level of success. The don’t make the cut. Pixar has really changed the animation game, you make a great point.
Harry Potter was a good run for sure, and comparable in box office and overall quality I suppose. The MCU has gone further I would say and has unlimited potential. I mean we might actually be looking at 40 films. I mean just think about that, it's insane.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Dec 11, 2017 4:10:20 GMT
Nothing really compares. It's one big franchises divided into 7 or 8 sub-franchises, and has made hit after hit after hit. Not a single dud in 17 movies and still going. The MCU is like a freight train that is going at rapid speed, and no signs of stopping. And most importantly, it made audiences care about heroes who were unknown to the public at the time. It's an amazing cinematic achievement, and of course we have to thank the man, Kevin Feige for making all of this possible.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 11, 2017 4:32:00 GMT
Not a single dud in 17 movies Plenyt of duds. The Incredible Hulk was a dud. So were Captain America: The First Avenger and Thor: The Dark World.
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