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Post by agentsparky on Dec 11, 2017 1:58:53 GMT
after the events of where TFA ended.
I thought the entire point of the opening crawl were to fill in events between the two movies for viewers. Since there's no time gap between TFA and this movie, what is the point? |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 11, 2017 2:14:35 GMT
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Post by audiosane on Dec 11, 2017 2:53:15 GMT
after the events of where TFA ended.
I thought the entire point of the opening crawl were to fill in events between the two movies for viewers. Since there's no time gap between TFA and this movie, what is the point? I hear ya. My theory is the opening crawl will tell us what the First Order's plans are moving forward. Maybe TLJ will open up with them escaping Starkiller Base as it explodes. Maybe it'll be Snoke doing something. From there, perhaps the next scene will be Rey walking up to Luke and extending his lightsaber to him before they speak. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 15:11:49 GMT
It's a tradition.
But critics can rail J.J. for hanging things off a cliff for the first time in the series, making the essential use of the opening crawl somewhat non-essential.
As Audiosane pointed out, it will be about what has been going on with the First Order since Starkiller base was destroyed.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 11, 2017 16:27:38 GMT
It'll be the most superfluous opening crawl in Star Wars history.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 11, 2017 19:10:53 GMT
Maybe they'll go the Tolkien route and really intricately set the scene before getting down to the action?
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Post by agentsparky on Dec 11, 2017 20:19:58 GMT
It's a tradition. But critics can rail J.J. for hanging things off a cliff for the first time in the series, making the essential use of the opening crawl somewhat non-essential. As Audiosane pointed out, it will be about what has been going on with the First Order since Starkiller base was destroyed. Empire Strikes Back sorta ended with a cliff hanger and Lucas still set the following movie a year later.
I just have skepticism about setting each movie in this trilogy immediately after where the previous one left off.
The original trilogy was about 4 year time span. The prequel trilogy spanned about 15 years. What's the time span of all three movies in this new sequel trilogy shaping up to be, a few days?
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Post by gbone on Dec 11, 2017 20:47:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 20:47:21 GMT
It's a tradition. But critics can rail J.J. for hanging things off a cliff for the first time in the series, making the essential use of the opening crawl somewhat non-essential. As Audiosane pointed out, it will be about what has been going on with the First Order since Starkiller base was destroyed. Empire Strikes Back sorta ended with a cliff hanger and Lucas still set the following movie a year later.
I guess I disagree. TFA's ending could be called a "mid-sentence ending" if the characters had actually uttered what they were thinking. In TESB, it's pretty clear that Lando and Chewbacca are headed off to do some grunt work that we don't really want to see onscreen because it's not that exciting. We get a sense from the scene itself that the story is about to skip ahead. With TFA, it would be awkward if the Luke/Rey meeting weren't paid off in real time in the next movie. But why? |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 12, 2017 2:53:47 GMT
Because that would mean no amount of in-universe time passed between the movies which would mean there's been virtually no development of anything that could've been done offscreen that we didn't need to witness in detail. It makes scene-time-compression harder. Isn't TLJ the part where "The Republic Strikes Back"? How can they strike back if its still day 1 after the annihilation of the capital and the fleet which was supposed to severely cripple the Republic? And if they can already strike back at that point so soon than what was the point of what happened in TFA? What did the bad guys expect? Are they that incompetent and retarded? |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 12, 2017 3:44:41 GMT
Because that would mean no amount of in-universe time passed between the movies which would mean there's been virtually no development of anything that could've been done offscreen that we didn't need to witness in detail. It makes scene-time-compression harder. Isn't TLJ the part where "The Republic Strikes Back"? How can they strike back if its still day 1 after the annihilation of the capital and the fleet which was supposed to severely cripple the Republic? And if they can already strike back at that point so soon than what was the point of what happened in TFA? What did the bad guys expect? Are they that incompetent and retarded? TLJ is 2.5 hours long. What if the first 15-20 min. starts immediately after TFA ends before jumping ahead by a few months or a year? That way, Rey, Kylo and the two factions will have time to get ready for the next confrontation. |
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 12, 2017 3:59:44 GMT
TLJ is 2.5 hours long. What if the first 15-20 min. starts immediately after TFA ends before jumping ahead by a few months or a year? That way, Rey, Kylo and the two factions will have time to get ready for the next confrontation. I personally would prefer jumping ahead by a few months or a year right after the opening crawl, no starting immediately after TFA ends. Better for scene time compression and all that. |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 12, 2017 4:58:59 GMT
TLJ is 2.5 hours long. What if the first 15-20 min. starts immediately after TFA ends before jumping ahead by a few months or a year? That way, Rey, Kylo and the two factions will have time to get ready for the next confrontation. I personally would prefer jumping ahead by a few months or a year right after the opening crawl, no starting immediately after TFA ends. Better for scene time compression and all that. I hear ya. It's just that most fans would want to know how Luke and Rey's conversation and initial interaction begin. |
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Post by azzajones on Dec 12, 2017 8:07:35 GMT
This is something they clearly don't understand about Star Wars
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:08:59 GMT
Because that would mean no amount of in-universe time passed between the movies which would mean there's been virtually no development of anything that could've been done offscreen that we didn't need to witness in detail. It makes scene-time-compression harder. Isn't TLJ the part where "The Republic Strikes Back"? How can they strike back if its still day 1 after the annihilation of the capital and the fleet which was supposed to severely cripple the Republic? And if they can already strike back at that point so soon than what was the point of what happened in TFA? What did the bad guys expect? Are they that incompetent and retarded? I think you're assuming some stuff that isn't necessarily true. I'm not sure this movie is about "The Republic" striking back. I believe it's quite the contrary. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:11:25 GMT
I personally would prefer jumping ahead by a few months or a year right after the opening crawl, no starting immediately after TFA ends. Better for scene time compression and all that. I hear ya. It's just that most fans would want to know how Luke and Rey's conversation and initial interaction begin. The story was meant to play out that way anyway. Remember that we were initially supposed to see more of Luke and Rey at the end of TFA. The scenes that we were supposed to see there will be shown at the beginning of this movie. |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 12, 2017 23:35:30 GMT
I hear ya. It's just that most fans would want to know how Luke and Rey's conversation and initial interaction begin. The story was meant to play out that way anyway. Remember that we were initially supposed to see more of Luke and Rey at the end of TFA. The scenes that we were supposed to see there will be shown at the beginning of this movie. Yeah. |
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Post by agentsparky on Dec 29, 2017 20:22:52 GMT
In my opinion, setting this movie immediately after TFA was a mistake.
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Post by audiosane on Dec 31, 2017 5:31:05 GMT
In my opinion, setting this movie immediately after TFA was a mistake. I firmly believe they did this because Kennedy and Abrams were too busy making Rey an overpowered Mary Sue. That's why Luke was forced onto the island in the first place. He would've gotten in Rey's way when it came to fighting Kylo Ren with a lightsaber. Notice how they would've found Luke when BB-8 first arrived at the Resistance base. Why was R2D2 asleep? So they couldn't get to Luke until the very end. Because Abrams was also busy rehashing ANH, TFA's main plot was interrupted prior to the Resistance base scene to drop a Death Star subplot into our laps. This precious screen time could've been used to introduce Luke. Instead, it's pushed over to TLJ. Problem is TFA was about finding Luke, and we had to at least see him, so the film ends on a cliffhanger, forcing TLJ to start immediately afterwards. Goddamn Mary Sue strikes again! |
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