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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:46:14 GMT
Not really, considering most of those franchise they just acquired weren't any good, anyway.
Yes, its worth it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 16:48:42 GMT
Not really, considering most of those franchise they just acquired weren't any good, anyway. Yes, its worth it. We’re not talking about quality here, we’re talking about the fact that Disney now owns more than half of the money-making franchises in Hollywood. Regardless of what you think of Avatar, the movie still made $2.7 billion worldwide, and it’s four sequels now belong to Disney. That’s on top of them already owning Star Wars, Marvel, Pixar, the Disney princesses, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:54:13 GMT
Then I guess its on the other studios to step up their game.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 14, 2017 16:57:00 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? I'm not going to lose any sleep over this. It's naïve and silly to believe that the the sole reason this deal happened was because Disney wanted their Marvel IP back. That was likely just frosting on a massive streaming service cake. It's not fair or accurate to imply that Marvel fans are somehow responsible for this enormous paradigm shift in Hollywood. Barring any regulatory blockages, welcome to the new world order. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 16:59:12 GMT
Then I guess its on the other studios to step up their game. I don’t see how they can. Disney has already been dominating the industry, and now it’s going to widen the gap even more. As a sidenote, Rupert Murdoch now has the freedom to focus almost exclusively on Fox News, and depending on on your political views, that’s either a blessing or a curse. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 17:02:39 GMT
Then I guess its on the other studios to step up their game. I don’t see how they can. Disney has already been dominating the industry, and now it’s going to widen the gap even more. As a sidenote, Rupert Murdoch now has the freedom to focus almost exclusively on Fox News, and depending on on your political views, that’s either a blessing or a curse. Then that's their fault for not being able to keep audience attention the way they should have been. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 14, 2017 17:04:45 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? So you are saying there is nothing else out there besides the stuff that Fox had? No other money making franchises? None owned by Paramount and WB and Sony? All of them were at Fox? I mean, the last couple Die Hard movies only made between 300-400 million. Or are you just going on recognizable names being a big thing? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 17:05:09 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? yes |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 17:11:33 GMT
Marvel United is a good thing. The rest is not so good. Like I said Im ambivalent towards this deal.
#teamcolden
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 17:11:42 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? So you are saying there is nothing else out there besides the stuff that Fox had? No other money making franchises? None owned by Paramount and WB and Sony? All of them were at Fox? I mean, the last couple Die Hard movies only made between 300-400 million. Or are you just going on recognizable names being a big thing? Let’s look at the other franchises owned by the other studios, shall we? Universal: At this point, they’re the only studio that might be able to somewhat compete with Disney. They have the Fast and Furious movies, Blumhouse, Jurassic Park, Illumination, and Dreamworks. WB: They have Harry Potter and DC, along with a few horror films, and the Monsterverse. None of which are billion dollar franchises. Sony: They still have the distribution rights to Spider-Man, as well as Men in Black and Ghostbusters, but nothing really impressive there. Paramount: Um...there’s the Mission Impossible movies, and I guess Transformers and Star Trek, although neither of those latter two franchises are turning much of a profit for them. Now let’s look at Disney. Disney: They have the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Star Wars, Pixar, the Disney princesses, Pirates of the Caribbean, Blue Sky studios, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar, among several others now. Is is there really any contest at this point? |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 14, 2017 17:14:44 GMT
So you are saying there is nothing else out there besides the stuff that Fox had? No other money making franchises? None owned by Paramount and WB and Sony? All of them were at Fox? I mean, the last couple Die Hard movies only made between 300-400 million. Or are you just going on recognizable names being a big thing? Let’s look at the other franchises owned by the other studios, shall we? Universal: At this point, they’re the only studio that might be able to somewhat compete with Disney. They have the Fast and Furious movies, Blumhouse, Jurassic Park, Illumination, and Dreamworks. WB: They have Harry Potter and DC, along with a few horror films, and the Monsterverse. None of which are billion dollar franchises. Sony: They still have the distribution rights to Spider-Man, as well as Men in Black and Ghostbusters, but nothing really impressive there. Paramount: Um...there’s the Mission Impossible movies, and I guess Transformers and Star Trek, although neither of those latter two franchises are turning much of a profit for them. Now let’s look at Disney. Disney: They have the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Star Wars, Pixar, the Disney princesses, Pirates of the Caribbean, Blue Sky studios, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar, among several others now. Is is there really any contest at this point? Even though the movies suck, Transformers is a HUGE money maker. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 17:15:18 GMT
Let’s look at the other franchises owned by the other studios, shall we? Universal: At this point, they’re the only studio that might be able to somewhat compete with Disney. They have the Fast and Furious movies, Blumhouse, Jurassic Park, Illumination, and Dreamworks. WB: They have Harry Potter and DC, along with a few horror films, and the Monsterverse. None of which are billion dollar franchises. Sony: They still have the distribution rights to Spider-Man, as well as Men in Black and Ghostbusters, but nothing really impressive there. Paramount: Um...there’s the Mission Impossible movies, and I guess Transformers and Star Trek, although neither of those latter two franchises are turning much of a profit for them. Now let’s look at Disney. Disney: They have the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Star Wars, Pixar, the Disney princesses, Pirates of the Caribbean, Blue Sky studios, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar, among several others now. Is is there really any contest at this point? Even though the movies suck, Transformers is a HUGE money maker. The latest film begs to differ. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 14, 2017 17:15:18 GMT
Disney is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. They preach insincere social diversity messages but do not believe in competition or cultural diversity. They also profit mightily from the public domain yet want to eliminate it.
As a Variety review on Star Wars said:
Though the series has always been self-aware enough to crack jokes, it now gives in to the same winking self-parody that is poisoning other franchises of late, from the Marvel movies to “Pirates of the Caribbean.” But it begs the question: If movies can’t take themselves seriously, why should audiences?
You can expect a really light-hearted and jokey X-men and anything else they do. Disney doesn't do nuance.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 17:16:59 GMT
So you are saying there is nothing else out there besides the stuff that Fox had? No other money making franchises? None owned by Paramount and WB and Sony? All of them were at Fox? I mean, the last couple Die Hard movies only made between 300-400 million. Or are you just going on recognizable names being a big thing? Let’s look at the other franchises owned by the other studios, shall we? Universal: At this point, they’re the only studio that might be able to somewhat compete with Disney. They have the Fast and Furious movies, Blumhouse, Jurassic Park, Illumination, and Dreamworks. WB: They have Harry Potter and DC, along with a few horror films, and the Monsterverse. None of which are billion dollar franchises. Sony: They still have the distribution rights to Spider-Man, as well as Men in Black and Ghostbusters, but nothing really impressive there. Paramount: Um...there’s the Mission Impossible movies, and I guess Transformers and Star Trek, although neither of those latter two franchises are turning much of a profit for them. Now let’s look at Disney. Disney: They have the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Star Wars, Pixar, the Disney princesses, Pirates of the Caribbean, Blue Sky studios, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar, among several others now. Is is there really any contest at this point? These are the only things anybody ever watches?
New franchises can't be made? I don't recall Fast & Furious existing 20 years ago for instance.
These franchises are all eternal? I don't recall Planet of the Apes being used very much during the 90's.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 17:17:16 GMT
Disney is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. They preach insincere social diversity messages but do not believe in competition or cultural diversity. They also profit mightily from the public domain yet want to eliminate it. As a Variety review on Star Wars said: Though the series has always been self-aware enough to crack jokes, it now gives in to the same winking self-parody that is poisoning other franchises of late, from the Marvel movies to “Pirates of the Caribbean.” But it begs the question: If movies can’t take themselves seriously, why should audiences? You can expect a really light-hearted and jokey X-men and anything else they do. Disney doesn't do nuance. Neither do you. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 17:19:37 GMT
Let’s look at the other franchises owned by the other studios, shall we? Universal: At this point, they’re the only studio that might be able to somewhat compete with Disney. They have the Fast and Furious movies, Blumhouse, Jurassic Park, Illumination, and Dreamworks. WB: They have Harry Potter and DC, along with a few horror films, and the Monsterverse. None of which are billion dollar franchises. Sony: They still have the distribution rights to Spider-Man, as well as Men in Black and Ghostbusters, but nothing really impressive there. Paramount: Um...there’s the Mission Impossible movies, and I guess Transformers and Star Trek, although neither of those latter two franchises are turning much of a profit for them. Now let’s look at Disney. Disney: They have the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Star Wars, Pixar, the Disney princesses, Pirates of the Caribbean, Blue Sky studios, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar, among several others now. Is is there really any contest at this point? These are the only things anybody ever watches?
New franchises can't be made? I don't recall Fast & Furious existing 20 years ago for instance.
These franchises are all eternal? I don't recall Planet of the Apes being used very much during the 90's.
They’re the only franchises these other studios have. Not sure if you realize this, but most studios these days don’t take risks with original properties anymore. Disney has created a model where almost every film released these days is part of some larger franchise. Also, what’s stopping Disney from buying every studio that isn’t owned by Comcast at this point? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 17:20:32 GMT
These are the only things anybody ever watches?
New franchises can't be made? I don't recall Fast & Furious existing 20 years ago for instance.
These franchises are all eternal? I don't recall Planet of the Apes being used very much during the 90's.
They’re the only franchises these other studios have. Not sure if you realize this, but most studios these days don’t take risks with original properties anymore. Disney has created a model where almost every film released these days is part of some larger franchise. Also, what’s stopping Disney from buying every studio that isn’t owned by Comcast at this point? I'm pretty sure other movies get made
Also pretty sure new franchises come about
Also pretty sure they don't make endless films in every franchise
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 14, 2017 17:24:30 GMT
They’re the only franchises these other studios have. Not sure if you realize this, but most studios these days don’t take risks with original properties anymore. Disney has created a model where almost every film released these days is part of some larger franchise. Also, what’s stopping Disney from buying every studio that isn’t owned by Comcast at this point? I'm pretty sure other movies get made
Also pretty sure new franchises come about
Also pretty sure they don't make endless films in every franchise
So tell me, apart from Get Out, how many of the big films released this year weren’t already part of a pre-existing franchise? |
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Post by kuatorises on Dec 14, 2017 17:31:30 GMT
I get that people here are happy about Marvel regaining the rights to all their characters (although the Fantastic Four might be a question mark right now: link), but can we consider the implications of this for a moment? Disney now owns Blue Sky Studios, The Simpsons, Family Guy, Die Hard, Bob’s Burgers, Alien, Planet of the Apes, and Avatar. They pretty much own more than half of the big franchises in Hollywood now. Is that really not concerning to anyone? Is getting back the X-Men and maybe the Fantastic Four really worth it if Disney is just going to monopolize all of Hollywood? What might those be? |
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