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Post by looking4klingons on Jan 3, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
“Seeing” the 10 plagues on Egypt, then seeing the Red Sea split didn’t affect the Israelites, one tiny bit! They became unfaithful only a few days later. Again, entirely circular logic that absolutely depends on the BELIEF that the biblical account of the 10 plagues actually occurred in the first place (for which of course there is ZERO scientific or archeological evidence, or extra biblical testimony). Besides, even IF this actually happened and the Israelites became unfaithful shortly thereafter, all that proves is that the were an inherently INSANE race of evil, selfish, and gullible morons, and deserved to die because they were unworthy even by human atheist standards! People today blindly practice an insane, cultish belief based on the writings of a science fiction author (Scientology), that has shown no evidence of aliens, gods, souls, or any other such claims. Yet you’re telling me an entire race of the supposed “chosen people” who walked in the presence of God and witness miracles first hand could so easily come to doubt that faith in favor of selfish vices? Yeah, that sounds “credible” (but only if we assume they were all more insane than Scientologists). And I will also add that the example you gave would be all the more reason for god to reveal himself today. If the Israelites who actually witnessed God and miracles could actually reject the fact so easily, why would anyone (let alone an all knowing God) think that people would be MORE likely to have faith with LESS evidence? That’s completely illogical and ridiculous. Because of my study of the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I’ve come to have a LOT of faith in the Bible and it’s Author! And I’ve never seen him, either. The import of what Revelation 12:9, 1 John 5:19, 2 Corinthians 4:4, & Luke 4:6 say, isn’t lost on me, either! Talk about conspiracies! We’re living in the midst of the biggest ones ever, especially in these last days. And there are lines of evidence for the Exodus (parts of chariots, human and horse bones discovered in the Red Sea, being one).....considering the above verses, it isn’t surprising that it’s being suppressed.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 12:02:38 GMT
there are lines of evidence for the Exodus (parts of chariots, human and horse bones discovered in the Red Sea, being one).....considering the above verses, it isn’t surprising that it’s being suppressed.
Claims that archaeologists discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea stemmed from fake news. www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp
There is a very good, and simple, reason why a purported deity couldn't appear unambiguously to everyone, in way that (since he knows everything) would best convert or confirm the most number to being saved, thereby letting His will most easily be done. I wonder if anyone else can think of it?
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Post by Isapop on Jan 5, 2018 13:45:36 GMT
there are lines of evidence for the Exodus (parts of chariots, human and horse bones discovered in the Red Sea, being one).....considering the above verses, it isn’t surprising that it’s being suppressed.
Claims that archaeologists discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea stemmed from fake news. www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp
There is a very good, and simple, reason why a purported deity couldn't appear unambiguously to everyone, in way that (since he knows everything) would best convert or confirm the most number to being saved, thereby letting His will most easily be done. I wonder if anyone else can think of it?
Here's a good (Christian) reason: There is simply no need for him to appear unambiguously to everyone. Now that the Bible is complete and available to everyone, that's all the manifestation of God that is necessary for all to achieve eternal salvation. And if you don't make it, it's your fault for failing to exercise faith.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 14:07:22 GMT
Claims that archaeologists discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea stemmed from fake news. www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp
There is a very good, and simple, reason why a purported deity couldn't appear unambiguously to everyone, in way that (since he knows everything) would best convert or confirm the most number to being saved, thereby letting His will most easily be done. I wonder if anyone else can think of it?
Here's a good (Christian) reason: There is simply no need for him to appear unambiguously to everyone. Now that the Bible is complete and available to everyone, that's all the manifestation of God that is necessary for all to achieve eternal salvation. And if you don't make it, it's your fault for failing to exercise faith. Nevertheless with roughly half the world not believing in the Christian God after thousand of years and a grand sacrifice by God of, er, Himself on earth, one would have thought that He who knows everything, would know of a better way of immediately convincing far more. After all, as already mentioned, He does want His will to be done. And God also ought to remember that arrogance and complacency are not attractive traits.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 5, 2018 14:18:23 GMT
Here's a good (Christian) reason: There is simply no need for him to appear unambiguously to everyone. Now that the Bible is complete and available to everyone, that's all the manifestation of God that is necessary for all to achieve eternal salvation. And if you don't make it, it's your fault for failing to exercise faith. Nevertheless with roughly half the world not believing in the Christian God after thousand of years and a grand sacrifice by God of, er, Himself on earth, one would have thought that He who knows everything, would know of a better way of immediately convincing far more. After all, as already mentioned, He does want His will to be done. And God also ought to remember that arrogance and complacency are not attractive traits.Ah, but his will IS being done. His word continues to be spread, and anything else he plans to do he will do when he sees fit. It is YOUR OWN arrogance and complacency that prevents you from embracing God and his message.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jan 5, 2018 14:21:26 GMT
Why do so many non-religious think popularity is the main goal of God?
The message is readily available to the entirety of the globe and it has never been about making people believe in him and even if it were, there is no indication belief would increase based simply on visual verification. It didn't work in Bible times, it won;t work now. The wicked will do what they want.
Things would be so much easier if the people who try to change the rules as if they mattered more actually paid attention to the nature of mankind before the pretended they found a flaw.
Oh & I already answered this ages ago by the simple fact that God did show himself to hardly anyone in Bible times either.
I may just say this every page.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 14:25:53 GMT
Nevertheless with roughly half the world not believing in the Christian God after thousand of years and a grand sacrifice by God of, er, Himself on earth, one would have thought that He who knows everything, would know of a better way of immediately convincing far more. After all, as already mentioned, He does want His will to be done. And God also ought to remember that arrogance and complacency are not attractive traits.Ah, but his will IS being done. His word continues to be spread, and anything else he plans to do he will do when he sees fit. It is YOUR OWN arrogance and complacency that prevents you from embracing God and his message. Yes, but the point still is that if God knows exactly what will persuade (not coerce) many to come to Him immediately with some unambiguous appearances say, of which He is completely capable, and this He would know - then not doing same means His will is not being done the most effectively or efficiently, and so He is not fulfilling His own expressed potential. The Bible does not say "His will will be done... but extremely slowly and inefficiently and by not being very proactive." (One of the arguments I have heard why God acts as He does is that He is concerned about possible rejection by odurates - an odd thing to say that the most powerful force in the universe who must, perforce, know how many more overall he could persuade overnight by direct, overwhelming means would be awed by the rejection of a minority). No, a simpler answer, the one I allude to, is the best and obvious way to account for all this dither and passiveness on the Almighty's part, and without special pleading too.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 14:27:04 GMT
Why do so many non-religious think popularity is the main goal of God? Because we are always told we all must love God, for one thing (not 'some of us'). And secondly if God does not have the imperative to save all souls by persuading all to accept Him as the 'one, true saviour' 'over all others' etc and fulfilling His expressed will, then what, exactly, is His purpose now?
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Post by Isapop on Jan 5, 2018 14:36:15 GMT
The message is readily available to the entirety of the globe and it has never been about making people believe in him and even if it were, there is no indication belief would increase based simply on visual verification. It didn't work in Bible times, it won;t work now. The wicked will do what they want. . No matter where or when a person was born or what level of education, if any, he has, I've never heard of anyone who didn't believe that the sun exists. I'll bet that regular visual verification accounts for it. And God wouldn't even have to make it a daily thing. Once a year I'm sure would be plenty. And sure, the wicked will do what they want. But the big difference is that there would be no doubt in anyone's mind, including the wicked's, that they are being disobedient to God.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 14:38:53 GMT
Oh & I already answered this ages ago by the simple fact that God did show himself to hardly anyone in Bible times either. I may just say this every page. Never the less it happens more than you suggest, notably when He showed His rear end to Moses. More examples quoted in depth here, where we are assured that, yes, But hey, perhaps they haven't really looked into it? And, needless to say, for those who see JC as, er, God on earth, there is plenty more by way of appearing to be found.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 5, 2018 15:11:09 GMT
Ah, but his will IS being done. His word continues to be spread, and anything else he plans to do he will do when he sees fit. It is YOUR OWN arrogance and complacency that prevents you from embracing God and his message. No, a simpler answer, the one I allude to, is the best and obvious way to account for all this dither and passiveness on the Almighty's part, and without special pleading too. You mean a reason like, well.....he doesn't exist?
Yeah, I guess that is a more obvious way to account for it.
OK, then.
(But admit it, Film...I'm pretty GOOD at this.)
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 15:18:55 GMT
No, a simpler answer, the one I allude to, is the best and obvious way to account for all this dither and passiveness on the Almighty's part, and without special pleading too. You mean a reason like, well.....he doesn't exist?
Yeah, I guess that is a more obvious way to account for it.
OK, then.
(But admit it, Film...I'm pretty GOOD at this.)
You get a gold star!
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