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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 15:44:45 GMT
The critics are trying to explain why we disagree with them... and they're missing the point! LOL
www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/movies/the-last-jedi-fans-critics.html
www.newser.com/story/253094/the-last-jedi-s-rotten-tomatoes-score-might-be-bogus.html
Its as if they are shocked and dismayed that we would disagree with their estimation of this movie! Some are even accusing us of creating bots to bring down the almighty Rotten Tomatoes score! I love it! LOL
They're missing the point: Star Wars, and for that matter any franchise that is this ingrained whether is be MCU, DCEU, LOTR, harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Terminator, etc. are about the fan base first. A movie of this kind has to please the fan base first and then everything else will trickle down from there. The average movie goer will come around if the fan base is as fervent as this one's is.
This movie, while a well made sci-fi adventure (one which I did enjoy by the way), didn't please the fan base, me included. Period. We're not being curmudgeonly. We're reacting honestly to not getting a few things we were waiting for: Waiting for 2 years in the case of the questions set up by TFA, and waiting for 30 years in the case of Luke!
And it didn't even have to deliver everything either! Just some of it! I for example would have been perfectly satisfied if Luke had died a more heroic death instead of that illusion thing. Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) died a heroic death. If Luke was going to die anyway why not have him actually be at Crait and have a REAL showdown? Its an unusual decision to make when sending off a character of this importance to a franchise.
I've never really liked the effect that Rotten Tomatoes has on film criticism. Nothing should be so easily boiled down to a single number. Its not accurate and sometimes its unfair. Well, Rotten Tomatoes and critics: Suck it! We disagree. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 17:17:54 GMT
The critics are trying to explain why we disagree with them... and they're missing the point! LOL
www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/18/16791844/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-controversy
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/movies/the-last-jedi-fans-critics.html
www.newser.com/story/253094/the-last-jedi-s-rotten-tomatoes-score-might-be-bogus.html
Its as if they are shocked and dismayed that we would disagree with their estimation of this movie! Some are even accusing us of creating bots to bring down the almighty Rotten Tomatoes score! I love it! LOL
They're missing the point: Star Wars, and for that matter any franchise that is this ingrained whether is be MCU, DCEU, LOTR, harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Terminator, etc. are about the fan base first. A movie of this kind has to please the fan base first and then everything else will trickle down from there. The average movie goer will come around if the fan base is as fervent as this one's is.
This movie, while a well made sci-fi adventure (one which I did enjoy by the way), didn't please the fan base, me included. Period. We're not being curmudgeonly. We're reacting honestly to not getting a few things we were waiting for: Waiting for 2 years in the case of the questions set up by TFA, and waiting for 30 years in the case of Luke!
And it didn't even have to deliver everything either! Just some of it! I for example would have been perfectly satisfied if Luke had died a more heroic death instead of that illusion thing. Admiral Holdo (Laura Dern) died a heroic death. If Luke was going to die anyway why not have him actually be at Crait and have a REAL showdown? Its an unusual decision to make when sending off a character of this importance to a franchise.
I've never really liked the effect that Rotten Tomatoes has on film criticism. Nothing should be so easily boiled down to a single number. Its not accurate and sometimes its unfair. Well, Rotten Tomatoes and critics: Suck it! We disagree. Professional movie critics have become like the galactic senators of the Prequel Trilogy. I'm afraid that the same words ObiWan used to describe galactic senators in AOTC now applies to movie critics: "It is my experience that senators focus only on pleasing those who fund their campaigns. And they're in no means scared of forgetting the niceties of democracy in order to get those funds."Studio perks and executives rolling out the red carpet for them buys their opinion. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 20:18:35 GMT
The critics are trying to explain why we disagree with them... Professional movie critics have become like the galactic senators of the Prequel Trilogy. I'm afraid that the same words ObiWan used to describe galactic senators in AOTC now applies to movie critics: "It is my experience that senators focus only on pleasing those who fund their campaigns. And they're in no means scared of forgetting the niceties of democracy in order to get those funds."Studio perks and executives rolling out the red carpet for them buys their opinion. lol |
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 24, 2017 1:33:37 GMT
Well, since the movie's CinemScore is an A, and a SurevyMonkey poll has the movie at 89% approval, I think the "haters" are, in fact, a minority. (I know people will bring up the RT audience score, but I'll take a well-conducted poll over a self-selecting one any day.) The thing about Star Wars haters is that they tend to be very vocal, and this gives them the appearance of being a large group than they actually are. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable group that doesn't like the movie, but you take something like CinemaScore, where they take the opinions of people who they KNOW actually saw the movie, versus something like RT, where anyone can go on there and vote for a movie they haven't seen (or vote multiple times with different accounts), and I think the evidence shows that a majority of people actually liked the movie.
For the record, I don't love the movie. I was very negative after the first viewing, but a second viewing improved my opinion somewhat. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as TFA or RO, but I admire the risks it took (even if they didn't all work out).
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Post by jonesjxd on Dec 26, 2017 11:12:38 GMT
Well, since the movie's CinemScore is an A, and a SurevyMonkey poll has the movie at 89% approval, I think the "haters" are, in fact, a minority. (I know people will bring up the RT audience score, but I'll take a well-conducted poll over a self-selecting one any day.) The thing about Star Wars haters is that they tend to be very vocal, and this gives them the appearance of being a large group than they actually are. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable group that doesn't like the movie, but you take something like CinemaScore, where they take the opinions of people who they KNOW actually saw the movie, versus something like RT, where anyone can go on there and vote for a movie they haven't seen (or vote multiple times with different accounts), and I think the evidence shows that a majority of people actually liked the movie. For the record, I don't love the movie. I was very negative after the first viewing, but a second viewing improved my opinion somewhat. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as TFA or RO, but I admire the risks it took (even if they didn't all work out). Agreed, I keep telling people this. It's the loud minority that hates this movie. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 26, 2017 16:40:12 GMT
Well, since the movie's CinemScore is an A, and a SurevyMonkey poll has the movie at 89% approval, I think the "haters" are, in fact, a minority. (I know people will bring up the RT audience score, but I'll take a well-conducted poll over a self-selecting one any day.) The thing about Star Wars haters is that they tend to be very vocal, and this gives them the appearance of being a large group than they actually are. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable group that doesn't like the movie, but you take something like CinemaScore, where they take the opinions of people who they KNOW actually saw the movie, versus something like RT, where anyone can go on there and vote for a movie they haven't seen (or vote multiple times with different accounts), and I think the evidence shows that a majority of people actually liked the movie. For the record, I don't love the movie. I was very negative after the first viewing, but a second viewing improved my opinion somewhat. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as TFA or RO, but I admire the risks it took (even if they didn't all work out). Agreed, I keep telling people this. It's the loud minority that hates this movie. Even RT shows more people liked it than disliked it. Barely, but still. It's crazy how divisive the film has become amongst Star Wars fans. Personally, I hated it. I don't want to hate it; I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I thought TFA was decent. Hell, as I mentioned in another thread, I still have a couple of Last Jedi t-shirts that I picked up before the movie came out and I will continue to wear them because the shirts are cool even if the movie sucked. So I'm not a troll or someone who "wanted to hate the movie" or whatever fans will come up with next. I just didn't like it. I don't have any problem at all with people who enjoyed it, I simply don't agree with their opinion. That being said, it's more than a vocal minority when you see the kind of historic drop it had in its second weekend. Maybe more people liked it than disliked it, but it isn't a hugely disproportionate 'loud minority' that are keeping people away from a franchise that's been printing money for 40 years. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 26, 2017 16:53:56 GMT
Well, since the movie's CinemScore is an A, and a SurevyMonkey poll has the movie at 89% approval, I think the "haters" are, in fact, a minority. (I know people will bring up the RT audience score, but I'll take a well-conducted poll over a self-selecting one any day.) The thing about Star Wars haters is that they tend to be very vocal, and this gives them the appearance of being a large group than they actually are. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable group that doesn't like the movie, but you take something like CinemaScore, where they take the opinions of people who they KNOW actually saw the movie, versus something like RT, where anyone can go on there and vote for a movie they haven't seen (or vote multiple times with different accounts), and I think the evidence shows that a majority of people actually liked the movie. For the record, I don't love the movie. I was very negative after the first viewing, but a second viewing improved my opinion somewhat. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as TFA or RO, but I admire the risks it took (even if they didn't all work out). It's not just Rotten Tomatoes. Similar audience scores are going on at Metacritic and IMDb and other sites. Contrary to the narrative that you and likeminded people are asserting, not all the criticism is just coming from a small but vocal minority made of only trolls. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 26, 2017 17:28:46 GMT
Well, since the movie's CinemScore is an A, and a SurevyMonkey poll has the movie at 89% approval, I think the "haters" are, in fact, a minority. (I know people will bring up the RT audience score, but I'll take a well-conducted poll over a self-selecting one any day.) The thing about Star Wars haters is that they tend to be very vocal, and this gives them the appearance of being a large group than they actually are. That's not to say that there isn't a sizable group that doesn't like the movie, but you take something like CinemaScore, where they take the opinions of people who they KNOW actually saw the movie, versus something like RT, where anyone can go on there and vote for a movie they haven't seen (or vote multiple times with different accounts), and I think the evidence shows that a majority of people actually liked the movie. For the record, I don't love the movie. I was very negative after the first viewing, but a second viewing improved my opinion somewhat. I don't think I'll ever like it as much as TFA or RO, but I admire the risks it took (even if they didn't all work out). It's not just Rotten Tomatoes. Similar audience scores are going on at Metacritic and IMDb and other sites. Contrary to the narrative that you and likeminded people are asserting, not all the criticism is just coming from a small but vocal minority made of only trolls. I would say based on the unprecedentedly rapid and intense backlash we see happening on the major forums and the media coverage plus the fact that this seems to have affected the theater grosses, ie TLJ setting a new historic drop record, it must be a laughably small minority that still deny the facts and the phenomenon. I mean wow, where did we start 2 weeks ago? And now we are at 52% with 150k votes on RT, 4.7 on MK, 7.6 on Imdb (and falling on a daily basis), not to mention Twitter, Reddit or YouTube, this is all major cause for concern. Putting your head in the sand and deny facts is the dumbest Dodo tactic imaginable. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 27, 2017 16:43:33 GMT
There is no cause for any concern. The movie was great. The haters are more vocal and most of them are morons. The movie will make over a billion dollars.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 27, 2017 17:49:49 GMT
There is no cause for any concern. The movie was great. The haters are more vocal and most of them are morons. The movie will make over a billion dollars. Disney will be concerned, they have share holders to answer to. Analysts were predicting 1.5b+ , now its making slightly more than Rogue One, not good. Again most studios would love to fail this bad, but not Di$ney. The bright side if Solo film underperforms too, maybe we can get rid of Kathleen Kennedy and get good movies again. |
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