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Post by goz on Dec 22, 2017 21:57:06 GMT
Thanks, butt in a sense I don't care. This is a new slate to a degree. If you use your old name or references to it, it is obvious who you are and people can make of that what they wish. If not, I prefer to let their words speak for them and their views. Most will pretty obviously assume a previous persona. BTW who was 'cupcakes'? I will admit to a curiosity on behalf of some posters here, Pretty sure cupcakes was 'youmightrabbityoumight' or something along those lines. Thanks, yes he seems to express similar views to that previous poster, which I sometimes/often agreed with.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2017 1:20:25 GMT
He's the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. That doesn't excuse rudeness and what could possibly be called bullying. It seems every single thread he responds to or makes becomes a 'be needlessly rude via mockery to Arlon thread' If Arlon doesn't want to be mocked then he should stop acting like an expert on subjects that he's demonstrably ignorant about. That, combined with his air of superiority, frequently adopted AFTER he's proven wrong and in which he often takes to mocking those who proved him wrong (see his last post), is an attitude only deserving of mockery. Also, GTFO of here with the "bullying" nonsense. This is an open, anonymous internet forum. People are free to leave and go somewhere else if they feel they're being mocked and "bullied." A forum for debating religion (or politics or anything else people take seriously) isn't the place for snowflakes.
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Post by goz on Dec 23, 2017 2:31:03 GMT
That doesn't excuse rudeness and what could possibly be called bullying. It seems every single thread he responds to or makes becomes a 'be needlessly rude via mockery to Arlon thread' If Arlon doesn't want to be mocked then he should stop acting like an expert on subjects that he's demonstrably ignorant about. That, combined with his air of superiority, frequently adopted AFTER he's proven wrong and in which he often takes to mocking those who proved him wrong (see his last post), is an attitude only deserving of mockery. Also, GTFO of here with the "bullying" nonsense. This is an open, anonymous internet forum. People are free to leave and go somewhere else if they feel they're being mocked and "bullied." A forum for debating religion (or politics or anything else people take seriously) isn't the place for snowflakes. Yo, Jimbo...you have a snowflake's chance in hell of...wait..........
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Post by Lugh on Dec 23, 2017 13:27:47 GMT
That doesn't excuse rudeness and what could possibly be called bullying. It seems every single thread he responds to or makes becomes a 'be needlessly rude via mockery to Arlon thread' If Arlon doesn't want to be mocked then he should stop acting like an expert on subjects that he's demonstrably ignorant about. That, combined with his air of superiority, frequently adopted AFTER he's proven wrong and in which he often takes to mocking those who proved him wrong (see his last post), is an attitude only deserving of mockery. Also, GTFO of here with the "bullying" nonsense. This is an open, anonymous internet forum. People are free to leave and go somewhere else if they feel they're being mocked and "bullied." A forum for debating religion (or politics or anything else people take seriously) isn't the place for snowflakes. Two wrong don't make a right. courtesy is a bedrock of honest dialectical or rational conversations. The idea that people can leave if they feel bullied has zero to do with whether something can be called bullying or not. If somebody repeatedly tells me to kill myself on Facebook, messages me horrible remarks regarding my physical appearance etc would the fact that I can just leave Facebook anytime I want change the fact that this is harassment and possibly bullying? Of course not, that would be ludicrous.
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Post by kls on Dec 23, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
If Arlon doesn't want to be mocked then he should stop acting like an expert on subjects that he's demonstrably ignorant about. That, combined with his air of superiority, frequently adopted AFTER he's proven wrong and in which he often takes to mocking those who proved him wrong (see his last post), is an attitude only deserving of mockery. Also, GTFO of here with the "bullying" nonsense. This is an open, anonymous internet forum. People are free to leave and go somewhere else if they feel they're being mocked and "bullied." A forum for debating religion (or politics or anything else people take seriously) isn't the place for snowflakes. Two wrong don't make a right. courtesy is a bedrock of honest dialectical or rational conversations. The idea that people can leave if they feel bullied has zero to do with whether something can be called bullying or not. If somebody repeatedly tells me to kill myself on Facebook, messages me horrible remarks regarding my physical appearance etc would the fact that I can just leave Facebook anytime I want change the fact that this is harassment and possibly bullying? Of course not, that would be ludicrous. I'd also say the problem with saying those bullied can leave is it lets those doing wrong off the hook for their behavior. It shouldn't be seen as acceptable to run people off public websites.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2017 15:25:02 GMT
If Arlon doesn't want to be mocked then he should stop acting like an expert on subjects that he's demonstrably ignorant about. That, combined with his air of superiority, frequently adopted AFTER he's proven wrong and in which he often takes to mocking those who proved him wrong (see his last post), is an attitude only deserving of mockery. Also, GTFO of here with the "bullying" nonsense. This is an open, anonymous internet forum. People are free to leave and go somewhere else if they feel they're being mocked and "bullied." A forum for debating religion (or politics or anything else people take seriously) isn't the place for snowflakes. Two wrong don't make a right. courtesy is a bedrock of honest dialectical or rational conversations. The idea that people can leave if they feel bullied has zero to do with whether something can be called bullying or not. If somebody repeatedly tells me to kill myself on Facebook, messages me horrible remarks regarding my physical appearance etc would the fact that I can just leave Facebook anytime I want change the fact that this is harassment and possibly bullying? Of course not, that would be ludicrous. I'm fine with courtesy when someone is humbly wrong and can learn from those who know more than they do, but I don't think courtesy should be extended to those who are arrogantly wrong and refuse to learn. There's a big difference between kids (or people) that get ruthlessly mocked daily by asshole clicks on social media and at school/work for no other reason than the amusement of the bullies, and someone getting mocked by random people on an open discussion forum for continually acting like an arrogant, ignorant ass. I suffered with bullying in school because I was the "weird kid"; I've never suffered through it online. You know why? Because nobody knows me online, and I go out of my way to NOT act like Arlon, Ada, Erjen, and a handful of others that got/get so frequently "mocked" around here because of their behavior--not because everyone decided for no reason they didn't like the cut of their gib.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2017 15:29:19 GMT
Two wrong don't make a right. courtesy is a bedrock of honest dialectical or rational conversations. The idea that people can leave if they feel bullied has zero to do with whether something can be called bullying or not. If somebody repeatedly tells me to kill myself on Facebook, messages me horrible remarks regarding my physical appearance etc would the fact that I can just leave Facebook anytime I want change the fact that this is harassment and possibly bullying? Of course not, that would be ludicrous. I'd also say the problem with saying those bullied can leave is it lets those doing wrong off the hook for their behavior. It shouldn't be seen as acceptable to run people off public websites. See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez.
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Post by Lugh on Dec 23, 2017 15:30:27 GMT
Two wrong don't make a right. courtesy is a bedrock of honest dialectical or rational conversations. The idea that people can leave if they feel bullied has zero to do with whether something can be called bullying or not. If somebody repeatedly tells me to kill myself on Facebook, messages me horrible remarks regarding my physical appearance etc would the fact that I can just leave Facebook anytime I want change the fact that this is harassment and possibly bullying? Of course not, that would be ludicrous. I'm fine with courtesy when someone is humbly wrong and can learn from those who know more than they do, but I don't think courtesy should be extended to those who are arrogantly wrong and refuse to learn. There's a big difference between kids (or people) that get ruthlessly mocked daily by asshole clicks on social media and at school/work for no other reason than the amusement of the bullies, and someone getting mocked by random people on an open discussion forum for continually acting like an arrogant, ignorant ass. I suffered with bullying in school because I was the "weird kid"; I've never suffered through it online. You know why? Because nobody knows me online, and I go out of my way to NOT act like Arlon, Ada, Erjen, and a handful of others that got/get so frequently "mocked" around here because of their behavior--not because everyone decided for no reason they didn't like the cut of their gib. Well as I said two wrongs dont make a right. Be the "bigger man" as some woukd say. Also the idea that retributive justice is even a good model of jusrice is problematic. I never said there wasn't a difference between those two things I merely claimed your horrible excuse of "He can just walk away" could be applied to the situation you described above.
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Post by Lugh on Dec 23, 2017 15:31:43 GMT
I'd also say the problem with saying those bullied can leave is it lets those doing wrong off the hook for their behavior. It shouldn't be seen as acceptable to run people off public websites. See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez. By definition they are. Obviously it's not the same but it still is both immoral and completely unhelpful. Politics is already an emotionally charged subject as it is.
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Post by kls on Dec 23, 2017 15:37:01 GMT
I'd also say the problem with saying those bullied can leave is it lets those doing wrong off the hook for their behavior. It shouldn't be seen as acceptable to run people off public websites. See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez. I wasn't speaking of Arlon. I have no clue who that person even is.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2017 15:47:09 GMT
See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez. By definition they are. Obviously it's not the same but it still is both immoral and completely unhelpful. Politics is already an emotionally charged subject as it is. I generally find semantic debates a waste of time, but what in the world definition are you even using where mocking someone for saying stupid things is bullying? Here's what Wiki says: Literally none of this applies, even under rather loose standards, of what's being done to Arlon. I never said there wasn't a difference between those two things I merely claimed your horrible excuse of "He can just walk away" could be applied to the situation you described above. You can't walk away when your daily life necessarily consists of being around those doing the bullying, and if the bullies are persistent it's also nearly impossible to escape them online. If Arlon left, nobody would follow him and continue mocking him. Hell, he could easily block everyone on here who does mock him and still post here. Nobody would sign up with fake user accounts just to keep mocking him. Nobody cares that much. In fact, most of us can get along fine with Arlon when he isn't pulling this arrogant, ignorant asshat trick of his.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 23, 2017 15:48:49 GMT
See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez. I wasn't speaking of Arlon. I have no clue who that person even is. That's who this bullying tangent is about. What I'm saying is that what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying, and part of that is because this is an entirely different forum than where bullying generally happens (at school, at work, on social media, etc.).
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Post by Lugh on Dec 23, 2017 15:54:09 GMT
I wasn't speaking of Arlon. I have no clue who that person even is. That's who this bullying tangent is about. What I'm saying is that what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying, and part of that is because this is an entirely different forum than where bullying generally happens (at school, at work, on social media, etc.). A forum isn't social media? Are you sure about that?
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Post by goz on Dec 23, 2017 19:54:11 GMT
See my above post. Nobody's running anyone off anywhere, and nobody's done anything to Arlon that he doesn't deserve. Look, I'm not OK with actual bullying, but what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying. Mocking an arrogant, ignorant, asshat isn't bullying. Do you also think when people mock the dumb things Trump says they're bullying him? Geez. By definition they are. Obviously it's not the same but it still is both immoral and completely unhelpful. Politics is already an emotionally charged subject as it is. I tend to look at it in a legal sense where ( at least in Australia ) the laws of libel and slander can be applied. In this case facts and truth are a defence, and in this case the discussion with Arlon points out where he is demonstrably wrong and his arrogant ignorant attitude is being admonished. He is also a 'repeat offender' and, in fact, could be described in the religious term of prosthelytising his ignorant arrogant views.( ie with his website and online treatises) Also see what Jimbo says about bullying definition.
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 23, 2017 20:34:56 GMT
I am reading much more of this than I wish. It's okay, I read fast. I have the advantage of not having to memorize anything This shit writes itself... really Perhaps you wouldn't be so snappy had I said I have the advantage of not having to learn anything by rote. You might recognize that term as being a less useful means of learning. It's obviously how you and those who agree with you have learned anything ever, although not so obvious to you. You don't have to "memorize" what you can "see." You also don't have to memorize what you can "understand." The word "see" is often used to mean "understand." If you constantly test things you don't have to remember much. You give away your character. You are believers. You don't believe in god anymore, but you do believe in authority as you perceive it. That authority has told you there is no god so you believe that on the power of authority. You quite literally believe there is no god. You believe science is an authority. That's why you always fail science. It's also why you memorize what you believe science says. You don't understand it or "see" it and must therefore memorize it. There are also people like you in the Republican Party, quite many really. Although those claim to believe in a "god" sometimes, it is really only authority that they believe in. That's why they are failing. Like you they failed science. Although they are sometimes correct in opposing your views on science it is often merely accidental and often merely faked for various ill formed "reasons."
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Post by goz on Dec 23, 2017 22:46:37 GMT
This shit writes itself... really Perhaps you wouldn't be so snappy had I said I have the advantage of not having to learn anything by rote. You might recognize that term as being a less useful means of learning. It's obviously how you and those who agree with you have learned anything ever, although not so obvious to you. You don't have to "memorize" what you can "see." You also don't have to memorize what you can "understand." The word "see" is often used to mean "understand." If you constantly test things you don't have to remember much. You give away your character. You are believers. You don't believe in god anymore, but you do believe in authority as you perceive it. That authority has told you there is no god so you believe that on the power of authority. You quite literally believe there is no god. You believe science is an authority. That's why you always fail science. It's also why you memorize what you believe science says. You don't understand it or "see" it and must therefore memorize it. There are also people like you in the Republican Party, quite many really. Although those claim to believe in a "god" sometimes, it is really only authority that they believe in. That's why they are failing. Like you they failed science. Although they are sometimes correct in opposing your views on science it is often merely accidental and often merely faked for various ill formed "reasons." ^ What a load of total bollocks!
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 24, 2017 1:36:06 GMT
That's who this bullying tangent is about. What I'm saying is that what's being done to Arlon isn't bullying, and part of that is because this is an entirely different forum than where bullying generally happens (at school, at work, on social media, etc.). A forum isn't social media? Are you sure about that? I think of social media as stuff like Facebook and Twitter and Snapchat where people keep up with friends/family and post about their own life. Forums are much more anonymous by comparison. Again, not really interested in semantics, but Facebook and the like is what I meant by "social media."
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 24, 2017 1:37:27 GMT
This shit writes itself... really Perhaps you wouldn't be so snappy had I said I have the advantage of not having to learn anything by rote. You might recognize that term as being a less useful means of learning. It's obviously how you and those who agree with you have learned anything ever, although not so obvious to you. You don't have to "memorize" what you can "see." You also don't have to memorize what you can "understand." The word "see" is often used to mean "understand." If you constantly test things you don't have to remember much. You give away your character. You are believers. You don't believe in god anymore, but you do believe in authority as you perceive it. That authority has told you there is no god so you believe that on the power of authority. You quite literally believe there is no god. You believe science is an authority. That's why you always fail science. It's also why you memorize what you believe science says. You don't understand it or "see" it and must therefore memorize it. There are also people like you in the Republican Party, quite many really. Although those claim to believe in a "god" sometimes, it is really only authority that they believe in. That's why they are failing. Like you they failed science. Although they are sometimes correct in opposing your views on science it is often merely accidental and often merely faked for various ill formed "reasons." It's most helpful when Arlon posts again in a thread and proves everything I said about him right.
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Post by Lugh on Dec 24, 2017 10:01:20 GMT
A forum isn't social media? Are you sure about that? I think of social media as stuff like Facebook and Twitter and Snapchat where people keep up with friends/family and post about their own life. Forums are much more anonymous by comparison. Again, not really interested in semantics, but Facebook and the like is what I meant by "social media." If the only difference between forums and things like Facebook is anonymity and who you talk to then the difference is irrelevant.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 24, 2017 10:43:57 GMT
I think of social media as stuff like Facebook and Twitter and Snapchat where people keep up with friends/family and post about their own life. Forums are much more anonymous by comparison. Again, not really interested in semantics, but Facebook and the like is what I meant by "social media." If the only difference between forums and things like Facebook is anonymity and who you talk to then the difference is irrelevant. I'd say there's a pretty big difference in being bullied on a site that represents your real-life self to those closest to you and to coworkers and (potential) employers VS getting mocked anonymously on a forum where nobody knows who you really are unless you advertise it. One of the biggest problems with cyberbullying is the posting of rumors and embarrassing material about people that their friends/family, coworkers/employers can find and read. That doesn't happen here.
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