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Post by izon on Dec 21, 2017 2:28:19 GMT
What rating would you give Starship Troopers (1997)? I really enjoyed this movie in my teens, mainly for the action because most of the dark humour flew right over my head at the time. I re-watched it recently, and I still think it's fairly solid. Can't go wrong with Verhoeven and Ironside. I also have the PC game somewhere... A 7/10 from me.
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Post by movielover on Dec 21, 2017 2:32:07 GMT
7/10 - Fun popcorn movie.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 21, 2017 2:37:31 GMT
I give it a 7 for execution but another point for the spfx (which still hold up great--good use of cgi).
I didn't like the film when it came out-didn't really understand it and thought the 90120 in space story annoying---but after 911 and even more recently I can see the subversiveness in the story. More intellectual depth than it seems at first.
Jean Rasczak: This year in history, we talked about the failure of democracy, how the social scientists of the 21st Century brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the veterans, how they took control and imposed the stability that has lasted for generations since. We talked about the rights and privileges between those who served in the armed forces and those who haven’t, therefore called citizens and civilians. [to a student] You. Why are only citizens allowed to vote?
Student: It’s a reward. Something the federation gives you for doing federal service.
Jean Rasczak: No. Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you’re using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 2:40:31 GMT
Any movie where Denise Richards' character is considered the smart one is in trouble. Great effects. Some solid sequences. 6/10
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Post by politicidal on Dec 23, 2017 21:34:04 GMT
5/10.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 23, 2017 22:01:19 GMT
The Denise Richards character was one of the negatives of it-especially since it made little sense that Rico would be so uninterested in Dizzy. His shunning of her got irritating--and then he only changes towards her when Michael Ironside advises him!
But I suspect that was part of the subversive intention. Rico is more interested in the military career woman, he is not interested in the military except for her---and Dizzy was only in the military for Rico. In the end he and DR bond through their war experience--Rico becomes committed to the military life. There is also a class element that matches the insect aliens--Neil Patrick Harris is telepathic so he is in the highest category--Denise Richards is in the fleet officer level, while Rico and Dizzy are mobile infantry-the lowest.
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 23, 2017 23:08:06 GMT
Awesome popcorn movie and a great model how our society should be run. I hope Trump has seen it.
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Post by teleadm on Dec 25, 2017 20:21:56 GMT
6/10 but I might have missunderstood this movie totally...
...and should have seen it as a parody of older movies filled with patriotism and flagwaving.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 25, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
In an interview with Paul M. Sammon for The Making of Starship Troopers, Verhoeven commented:
“So I think the essence of my interest in this so-called fascism of Heinlein’s, or pseudo-fascism, the real reason I wanted to transfer that to film was that at this moment there are voices in the United States that would actually embrace this form of policy. Which is another reason I wanted to do this film. To carry over the fascist framework from the book to the movie. It’s a metaphor, you see—for that part of the American society which would like to have something like the government portrayed in Starship Troopers in power in the United States today. It would also be interesting. I felt, to have the film of Starship Troopers make this statement: “This quasi-fascist society we’re showing you works. On a certain level, anyway.” (p. 138)
There is a quote on wikipedia's page:
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, actor Michael Ironside, who read the book as a youth, said he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing fucking bugs!"
I trust the first Verhoeven quote to be more accurate than the Ironside anecdote.
Robert Heinlen’s critiques of liberal democracy were meant to be taken seriously. Heinlein said of the book:
The central theme is expanded in many ways and many sub-propositions consistent with or corollary to the main one are show: (a) that nothing worth having is ever free; it must be paid for; (b) that authority always carries with it responsibility, even if a man tries to refuse it; (c) that “natural right” are not God-given but must be earned... (f) that a man’s noblest act is to die for his fellow man, that such death is not suicidal, not wasted, but is the highest and most human form of survival behavior. [The Authorized Biography, Robert Heinlein: Volume 2, by William Patterson, Jr., p. 181]
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Post by sjg on Mar 2, 2021 8:41:05 GMT
7/10
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 2, 2021 9:53:10 GMT
7.5/10
A movie 4 years before its time.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 2, 2021 9:53:27 GMT
(But that shower scene. Am I right?)
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 4, 2021 10:04:36 GMT
7/10
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