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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 12:28:31 GMT
Out of all of the decisions Warner Bros has made with the DC TV shows this has to be one of the worst and makes absolutely no sense since they have two Barry Allen's and Superman's and they are going to have two Dick Grayson's with the upcoming 'Nightwing' movie and 'Titans' TV show so I don't see any reason why we can't have two Deathstroke's unless they are worried the movie one won't be as popular as the TV version. Looks like we definitely won't be seeing Slade get his own show or appear on 'Titans' now. Arrow Apparently Can't Use Deathstroke Again www.cinemablend.com/television/1749770/arrow-apparently-cant-use-deathstroke-again
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2017 23:35:19 GMT
This is so dumb, I can get DC/WB not wanting to versions appearing concurrently but the movie version is so far away from being utilised in any meaningful way where is the harm of letting Arrow wrap up their version properly, like I mean honestly a proper film version isn't happening in any meaningful way for atleast 18-24 months so why not tell the Arrow crew wrap up Slade by end of season or mid season next year, conversely do the same with Titans, let them use Slade for season 1 but let it be known he's off limits from then on, that way they can write him as a major player for a short time and pay it off big.
This also make no sense to me as a way to utilise an IP, Deathstroke isn't as well known as the heroes so anyway you can engage a fandom with a character prior to their big screen outing is a good thing, it's why Disney when GOTG was waiting for release had the characters or group appear in their cartoons, they did what they could without monkeying with the narrative of the MCU to get the GOTG names and IP out to the public as best they could, the movie may not have needed it due to how huge it hit but still Marvel & Disney knew to market their brands as best they could without fucking with the film, DC seems unable to grasp this concept which is sad, I'm going to miss Slade...damn you WB.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Dec 23, 2017 2:39:57 GMT
This kind of crap has been going on for a long time. My earliest knowledge of it is the Bat-embargo during the Justice League animated series: dcau.wikia.com/wiki/Bat-embargoThe whole thing was pretty ridiculous then too. I mean, I get not wanting to oversaturate the use of a character, but given how they're willing to whip out a new version of Batman at the drop of a hat, that doesn't even seem to be the main concern. Joe Manganiello has the right look for Deathstroke (though I still picture him as Marshall's friend on How I Met Your Mother), I am curious what sort practical future he'll actually have in any theoretical sequels or spin-offs to the Justice League movie, given its purported cool reception. If anything, in my opinion, all of this just supports the idea that the people in charge of these properties have no clue what they actually want to do with them, and one hand has no idea what the other hand is doing. Marvel doesn't have this problem, mainly because they do one take on a character at a time; which has its pros and cons, but mostly they have some idea what they're doing as a whole. There aren't half a dozen different people off doing their own separate vision of various Marvel (owned) properties, like DC is doing. I'm ambivalent about applying that to DC though, mainly because how they've handled a lot of their properties to date. There was a lot of hubub about Grant not playing the Flash in the movies, but I was entirely okay with them not tying the Man of Steel franchise around the neck of the Arrowverse; and this, as memory serves, was back when there was only the one movie out in what is now the DCEU, and just the two tv shows. That estimation hasn't changed, but if they're going to allow concurrent versions of their properties to co-exisy, it should be all or nothing.
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Post by BexxyJ on Dec 26, 2017 12:55:36 GMT
That's a bullshit excuse.
Did they film him for other upcoming episodes or have those episodes been cut out of the show and replaced? If he is in the upcoming episodes and plays a vital part of the season's story this could fuck up Arrow and it could be taken off air until the end of next year.
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 26, 2017 20:27:36 GMT
I imagine it's too late to cut and replace any episodes with Slade. They'll probably be allowed to air them, and then that's it. It's pretty lame. We can a Flash in the movies and a Flash on TV, why can't we have two Deathstroke's?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 11:45:33 GMT
This is so dumb, I can get DC/WB not wanting to versions appearing concurrently but the movie version is so far away from being utilised in any meaningful way where is the harm of letting Arrow wrap up their version properly, like I mean honestly a proper film version isn't happening in any meaningful way for atleast 18-24 months so why not tell the Arrow crew wrap up Slade by end of season or mid season next year, conversely do the same with Titans, let them use Slade for season 1 but let it be known he's off limits from then on, that way they can write him as a major player for a short time and pay it off big. This also make no sense to me as a way to utilise an IP, Deathstroke isn't as well known as the heroes so anyway you can engage a fandom with a character prior to their big screen outing is a good thing, it's why Disney when GOTG was waiting for release had the characters or group appear in their cartoons, they did what they could without monkeying with the narrative of the MCU to get the GOTG names and IP out to the public as best they could, the movie may not have needed it due to how huge it hit but still Marvel & Disney knew to market their brands as best they could without fucking with the film, DC seems unable to grasp this concept which is sad, I'm going to miss Slade...damn you WB. Yeah. It is stupid. I don't understand why they even need to have these blocks on characters 'cause the TV shows could be so much better if they just let them use all of the DC superheroes and villains. 'Smallville' was lucky 'cause it came at a time when Warner Bros were not using a lot of DC characters on screen so they got to use WAY more characters than the 'Arrowverse' has been able to despite not being able to use Wonder Woman and Batman - the former being the silliest since Wonder Woman hadn't appeared on screen in decades and I think the 'Smallville' writers could have made a good version of her. As long as they are set in separate universes and are played by different actors and actresses I see no reason why the characters are blocked and it is kinda like they think the audience is dumb and are going to get them mixed up with each other. I mean how does having Deathstroke in 'Arrow' take away from Deathstroke in the movies?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 11:59:22 GMT
This kind of crap has been going on for a long time. My earliest knowledge of it is the Bat-embargo during the Justice League animated series: dcau.wikia.com/wiki/Bat-embargo The Bat Embargo is ridiculous and doesn't make any sense or line up 'cause in 'Smallville' magazine one of the main showrunners said when they got knocked back from using Batman they had the chance to use Nightwing but chose to go with the Green Arrow 'cause he had an easier background story that wasn't connected to a character they couldn't show and then when there was talk of having Batwoman in 'Supergirl' around the time they introduced Maggie in the show one of the showrunners said they had no plans to use Batwoman at the time but she wasn't off the table and could turn up in the future. Now they have the 'Teen Titans' TV show coming up with Dick Grayson and it has been said other Bat Family characters could appear and The Spoiler is going to be in the new series of 'Young Justice.' Because so many characters have moved on to their own series (Batgirl, Nightwing, Birds of Prey, Titans, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, The Signal etc) and characters like the Spoiler, Orphan, Bluebird and Azrael could easily work on a TV show with no mention of Batman I think the Bat Embargo should be dropped for the other characters and it looks like it might already be now.
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 31, 2017 13:28:05 GMT
If DC wants to do TV shows they should allow access to all characters. Limits on who they use don't make sense and frankly are insulting to our intelligence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 12:57:15 GMT
If DC wants to do TV shows they should allow access to all characters. Limits on who they use don't make sense and frankly are insulting to our intelligence. Yes. They should and just think if DC (or more likely the heads of Warner Bros) allowed there to be TV versions of all their characters they could have new TV shows of all their series from the past decade like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lanterns, Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, Batgirl, Nightwing, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Constantine, Zatanna, Detective Comics Rebirth, Titans, Batwoman, Power Girl, Black Canary, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Shazam, Blue Beetle, Cyborg, Deathstroke, Justice Society of America, The Legion of Superheroes, Gen 13, Wild Cats, Catwoman, Lobo, Secret Six, Doctor Fate, Midnighter, Starfire,We Are Robin, Suicide Squad etc and they would be dominating the TV.
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Post by dazz on Jan 2, 2018 14:11:16 GMT
If DC wants to do TV shows they should allow access to all characters. Limits on who they use don't make sense and frankly are insulting to our intelligence. Yes. They should and just think if DC (or more likely the heads of Warner Bros) allowed there to be TV versions of all their characters they could have new TV shows of all their series from the past decade like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lanterns, Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, Batgirl, Nightwing, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Constantine, Zatanna, Detective Comics Rebirth, Titans, Batwoman, Power Girl, Black Canary, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Shazam, Blue Beetle, Cyborg, Deathstroke, Justice Society of America, The Legion of Superheroes, Gen 13, Wild Cats, Catwoman, Lobo, Secret Six, Doctor Fate, Midnighter, Starfire,We Are Robin, Suicide Squad etc and they would be dominating the TV. Or they would oversaturate their brand, as is live action DC has what 8-9 shows on TV a year with an average of 20 episodes your talking 180 hours of DC TV a year, you don't want to go too overboard with it all and were getting an additional show with Titans, plus maybe the other shows are part of certain embargo's also, like I could get DC being like we don't want 3 live action Bruce Wayne's, 2 is fine but 3's silly.
Also keep in mind DC license's out some of their characters which maybe contractually hold them up, Gotham may have specific rights to come characters on TV for the time being, and the Arrowverse may have similar chokeholds on characters, which is likely why you'll not see Oliver or Barry pop up in Gotham, I mean they held of Ra's Al Gul for 2 years before they introduced him in Gotham after Arrow finished up with him.
Then why waste all those IP's all at once, which is sort of why I hope LOT maybe doesn't last 7 seasons as I would rather see a LOSH spin off or a JSA show, and so long as were getting fresh films I don't need a Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman TV show just yet but if they wanna cancel Preacher and give us a Lobo show I would love it, but then DC doesn't make those choices alone, someone needs to want to A: make that show and B: a network needs to be willing to air it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:37:05 GMT
Yes. They should and just think if DC (or more likely the heads of Warner Bros) allowed there to be TV versions of all their characters they could have new TV shows of all their series from the past decade like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lanterns, Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, Batgirl, Nightwing, Birds of Prey, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Constantine, Zatanna, Detective Comics Rebirth, Titans, Batwoman, Power Girl, Black Canary, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Shazam, Blue Beetle, Cyborg, Deathstroke, Justice Society of America, The Legion of Superheroes, Gen 13, Wild Cats, Catwoman, Lobo, Secret Six, Doctor Fate, Midnighter, Starfire,We Are Robin, Suicide Squad etc and they would be dominating the TV. Or they would oversaturate their brand, as is live action DC has what 8-9 shows on TV a year with an average of 20 episodes your talking 180 hours of DC TV a year, you don't want to go too overboard with it all and were getting an additional show with Titans, plus maybe the other shows are part of certain embargo's also, like I could get DC being like we don't want 3 live action Bruce Wayne's, 2 is fine but 3's silly.
Also keep in mind DC license's out some of their characters which maybe contractually hold them up, Gotham may have specific rights to come characters on TV for the time being, and the Arrowverse may have similar chokeholds on characters, which is likely why you'll not see Oliver or Barry pop up in Gotham, I mean they held of Ra's Al Gul for 2 years before they introduced him in Gotham after Arrow finished up with him.
Then why waste all those IP's all at once, which is sort of why I hope LOT maybe doesn't last 7 seasons as I would rather see a LOSH spin off or a JSA show, and so long as were getting fresh films I don't need a Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman TV show just yet but if they wanna cancel Preacher and give us a Lobo show I would love it, but then DC doesn't make those choices alone, someone needs to want to A: make that show and B: a network needs to be willing to air it.
Well, I don't mean all of them at the same time Dazz. That would be WAY too much. What I mean is spread out through the years and once Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow are finished it is going to leave them with a lot of room for new TV shows and with their new DC Streaming Service it opens the doors for new possibilities and they have said they have plans for more live Action shows apart from 'Titans' so it will be interesting to see what names they go with. I would like to see shows of 'Justice Society of America' and 'Legion of Superheroes' too but after what they have done with Hawkman, Hawkgirl and Stargirl to name a few I think it would probably be better if a 'Justice Society of America' show was made with new actors and writers. Same as 'Legion of Superheroes' unless they pick up with those characters and Imra becomes Saturn Girl. Did you hear we might actually get 3 Bruces on screen? 'Titans' could have Batman in flashbacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:39:56 GMT
On an unrelated note since this is a 'Deathstroke' thread has anybody been reading the Rebirth series of 'Deathstroke' and what do you think of this? Deathstroke Just Retconned a Major Part of Teen Titans Continuitywww.cbr.com/deathstroke-terra-judas-contract/2/
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Post by dazz on Jan 4, 2018 12:55:17 GMT
Or they would oversaturate their brand, as is live action DC has what 8-9 shows on TV a year with an average of 20 episodes your talking 180 hours of DC TV a year, you don't want to go too overboard with it all and were getting an additional show with Titans, plus maybe the other shows are part of certain embargo's also, like I could get DC being like we don't want 3 live action Bruce Wayne's, 2 is fine but 3's silly.
Also keep in mind DC license's out some of their characters which maybe contractually hold them up, Gotham may have specific rights to come characters on TV for the time being, and the Arrowverse may have similar chokeholds on characters, which is likely why you'll not see Oliver or Barry pop up in Gotham, I mean they held of Ra's Al Gul for 2 years before they introduced him in Gotham after Arrow finished up with him.
Then why waste all those IP's all at once, which is sort of why I hope LOT maybe doesn't last 7 seasons as I would rather see a LOSH spin off or a JSA show, and so long as were getting fresh films I don't need a Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman TV show just yet but if they wanna cancel Preacher and give us a Lobo show I would love it, but then DC doesn't make those choices alone, someone needs to want to A: make that show and B: a network needs to be willing to air it.
Well, I don't mean all of them at the same time Dazz. That would be WAY too much. What I mean is spread out through the years and once Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow are finished it is going to leave them with a lot of room for new TV shows and with their new DC Streaming Service it opens the doors for new possibilities and they have said they have plans for more live Action shows apart from 'Titans' so it will be interesting to see what names they go with. I would like to see shows of 'Justice Society of America' and 'Legion of Superheroes' too but after what they have done with Hawkman, Hawkgirl and Stargirl to name a few I think it would probably be better if a 'Justice Society of America' show was made with new actors and writers. Same as 'Legion of Superheroes' unless they pick up with those characters and Imra becomes Saturn Girl. Did you hear we might actually get 3 Bruces on screen? 'Titans' could have Batman in flashbacks.
Oh I agree when the current shows end I don't want them simply replaced by new shows from Berlanti, with that it becomes not so much new shows as new skins, also didn't mean simply replace them on CW but in general, I want variety all around which I hope the streaming service allows them to indulge in, as for getting a Batman in Titans this is just making me scratch my head at this point, like ok they have embargo's on all these characters but then their going to allow for 2 TV versions of Batman/Bruce Wayne at the same time but heaven forbid we have 2 versions of Deathstroke 1 in the films and 1 in TV despite the film version being 2 years minimum away from reappearing, fucking clowns.
I just don't understand these peoples thought process then again I'm the sort of person who thinks making a film that needs to be top 5 grosser of the year for it to turn a profit is fucked up logic also so I shouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 9:38:15 GMT
...i dont get it. even superman is allowed to appear on supergirl
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 5, 2018 18:26:35 GMT
No gets it, Biz. There has always been this weird rule that keeps Batman and related characters from appearing in TV shows. No other hero has such a rule, which is why Superman can appear on Supergirl and The Flash can have both a TV series and a movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 5:52:38 GMT
No gets it, Biz. There has always been this weird rule that keeps Batman and related characters from appearing in TV shows. No other hero has such a rule, which is why Superman can appear on Supergirl and The Flash can have both a TV series and a movie. And Dick Grayson can have his own 'Titans' series and a Nightwing movie. I am not sure what the rules are for their characters but there was clearly one preventing 'Wonder Woman' being used for so long 'cause the 'Smallville' writers wanted to use Diana in the show and make a spinoff show of her (as I mentioned above) and then there was Green Lantern who couldn't appear in 'Smallville' or 'Arrow' which is ridiculous with the latter since there was a whole 'Green Arrow/ Green Lantern' comic book series and there are multiple Green Lanterns they could use instead of using the same one who is the lead in the movie, Lobo who could have easily appeared in 'Smallville' and Superboy who I am surprised never appeared on 'Smallville' and isn't even mentioned in 'Supergirl' but we are yet to see Power Girl on 'Supergirl' yet who Melissa said they writers plan on using in the future so Superboy might still turn up on 'Supergirl.'
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2018 11:10:59 GMT
Superboy was used in Smallville during the final season, but not as a hero or given the name Superboy obviously but Connor Kent the genetic half clone of Lex & Clark is in the show.
As for the others this just adds to my theory that TV licensing rights may have an impact most even those in the business don't consider, the characters/properties appearing both on the big screen and small concurrently are all in house, the only snafu seems to be happening with Deathstroke but he maybe getting prepped to appear in Gotham or something which is why there's a ban on him with Arrow.
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