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Post by blockbusted on Dec 28, 2017 2:26:02 GMT
While 'Justice League' is by no means the worst film of the year, it is seriously lacking compared to other 5 comic book films of 2017. Let's take a look into those 5. First, we have 'Logan', which is by far the most "out-there" comic book film of 2017. The vibe I've got from here is that the film didn't feel like a superhero film for the most part. Now that I think of it, this was a very emotional neo-western drama film that happens to have elements of superhero films. It was an incredibly visceral film with gritty action scenes, which was reflected in the film's horror film-style action scene scores. Compare that to action scene scores in 'The Wolverine' (which felt like a legit action drama film compared to this) and you'll notice a lot of differences. Then we have 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2'. Admittingly, this was probably a weaker film out of 5, but that doesn't take away the film's overall greatness. Like the first film, this one also felt like a space opera film with superhero film elements. It's also probably the most gorgeous-looking film out of 5, with beautiful sceneries and mostly outstanding CGI. I would go as far as saying that when it comes to technical aspects, this might be the best out of 6 comic book films of 2017 with its colorful aesthetics and fantastic cinematography that involves the opening credit sequence that is almost entirely shot in one take. Next film we have is 'Wonder Woman'. In some ways, this is return to a classic superhero epic - well, superheroine epic in this case. This is a film that portrays the birth of a superhero incredibly well with strong theme of hope and love for humanity despite all the hardships and despair that is called World War I. The film was appropriately dark without going into gloomy and depressing territory and had just enough lighter moments to balance the tone. Most importantly, this is the first legitimately good superheroine film ever and, for all its fault, DCEU finally has at least one good film after one incredibly polarizing film, 1 bad film that managed to improve somewhat thanks to the R-rated cut, and 1 gigantic editing mess (remember how 'Ice Age', 'Pirates of the Caribbean', and 'Transformers' series started out with a good-to-great film respectively? DCEU truly succeeded with its 4th film. In that regard, shame on you, 'Twilight' series). After that, we have 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'. After seeing 15 straight action films in MCU, I'm pretty sure that some people were starting to burn out by MCU having one massive action film after another. Thankfully, this film came to the rescue as it became the MCU's 1st non-action film. Now, here's the thing. When a comic book film lacks action scenes, they usually don't go well (think 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' and especially 'Fant4stic' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/py50mlgnt/dead.gif) ). This film proved that you can make a good comic book film without a lot of action scenes if you execute it well. Not only that, this was also a surprisingly relaxing film compared to 5 other comic book films with pleasantly low stakes overall. As a matter of fact, I think the only guy who died in this film was the first Shocker - and that was because Vulture made a mistake! With its overall relaxing tone and mood, the flim manages to focus more on Peter Parker as a everyday teenager dreaming to join the Avengers. Last, but not least, we have 'Thor: Ragnarok', which turns out to be by far the best film in 'Thor' trilogy. This was a delightful throwback to the 80s in many regards. Score, aesthetics, visual styles, and many more show a lot of influences from films that were made in 1980s. Also, for a film that is supposed to be more comedic, it also has some social/political commentary on things like colonialism, making it the only comic book film of 2017 to cover social/political topics. Not only that, unlike 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2', the third act barely contains any jokes and does arguably becomes one of the darkest moments in MCU. Not to mention that this probably has the most downer ending out of 5 I talked about so far since the ending feels like they lost a lot more than gained with their victory coming with a terrible price. Sure, other 4 films also had some sad notes in their ending, but at least those films felt like the sacrifice made in those films really meant something while in here, it's quite questionable whether it was worth it in the end, which is actually quite refreshing. If I have to compare these films with 4 elements ('Logan' is excluded since it's way too "out there"), this would be the closest: -Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (fantastical, light) -Wonder Woman (grounded, dark) -Spider-Man: Homecoming (grounded, light) -Thor: Ragnarok (fantastical, dark) Then... 'Justice League' came in to ruin the fun. In all fairness, this film certainly had enjoyable moments like some of the action scenes and character interactions, but the film was incredibly problematic. The CGI was quite lame overall, the score was disappointing (Danny Elfman, what happened?), the villlain was lousy, the story felt somewhat unfinished, and biggest of all, the film felt like it had lower stakes than 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', which isn't a good thing in this case since this film deals with a world-ending event. I honestly think 'Man of Steel' was a lot better than this now that I think of it. Seriously, after 5 great comic book films in a row this year, how did this end up becoming such a meh film?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 3:16:24 GMT
While 'Justice League' is by no means the worst film of the year, it is seriously lacking compared to other 5 comic book films of 2017. Let's take a look into those 5. First, we have 'Logan', which is by far the most "out-there" comic book film of 2017. The vibe I've got from here is that the film didn't feel like a superhero film for the most part. Now that I think of it, this was a very emotional neo-western drama film that happens to have elements of superhero films. It was an incredibly visceral film with gritty action scenes, which was reflected in the film's horror film-style action scene scores. Compare that to action scene scores in 'The Wolverine' (which felt like a legit action drama film compared to this) and you'll notice a lot of differences. Then we have 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2'. Admittingly, this was probably a weaker film out of 5, but that doesn't take away the film's overall greatness. Like the first film, this one also felt like a space opera film with superhero film elements. It's also probably the most gorgeous-looking film out of 5, with beautiful sceneries and mostly outstanding CGI. I would go as far as saying that when it comes to technical aspects, this might be the best out of 6 comic book films of 2017 with its colorful aesthetics and fantastic cinematography that involves the opening credit sequence that is almost entirely shot in one take. Next film we have is 'Wonder Woman'. In some ways, this is return to a classic superhero epic - well, superheroine epic in this case. This is a film that portrays the birth of a superhero incredibly well with strong theme of hope and love for humanity despite all the hardships and despair that is called World War I. The film was appropriately dark without going into gloomy and depressing territory and had just enough lighter moments to balance the tone. Most importantly, this is the first legitimately good superheroine film ever and, for all its fault, DCEU finally has at least one good film after one incredibly polarizing film, 1 bad film that managed to improve somewhat thanks to the R-rated cut, and 1 gigantic editing mess (remember how 'Ice Age', 'Pirates of the Caribbean', and 'Transformers' series started out with a good-to-great film respectively? DCEU truly succeeded with its 4th film. In that regard, shame on you, 'Twilight' series). After that, we have 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'. After seeing 15 straight action films in MCU, I'm pretty sure that some people were starting to burn out by MCU having one massive action film after another. Thankfully, this film came to the rescue as it became the MCU's 1st non-action film. Now, here's the thing. When a comic book film lacks action scenes, they usually don't go well (think 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' and especially 'Fant4stic' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/py50mlgnt/dead.gif) ). This film proved that you can make a good comic book film without a lot of action scenes if you execute it well. Not only that, this was also a surprisingly relaxing film compared to 5 other comic book films with pleasantly low stakes overall. As a matter of fact, I think the only guy who died in this film was the first Shocker - and that was because Vulture made a mistake! With its overall relaxing tone and mood, the flim manages to focus more on Peter Parker as a everyday teenager dreaming to join the Avengers. Last, but not least, we have 'Thor: Ragnarok', which turns out to be by far the best film in 'Thor' trilogy. This was a delightful throwback to the 80s in many regards. Score, aesthetics, visual styles, and many more show a lot of influences from films that were made in 1980s. Also, for a film that is supposed to be more comedic, it also has some social/political commentary on things like colonialism, making it the only comic book film of 2017 to cover social/political topics. Not only that, unlike 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2', the third act barely contains any jokes and does arguably becomes one of the darkest moments in MCU. Not to mention that this probably has the most downer ending out of 5 I talked about so far since the ending feels like they lost a lot more than gained with their victory coming with a terrible price. Sure, other 4 films also had some sad notes in their ending, but at least those films felt like the sacrifice made in those films really meant something while in here, it's quite questionable whether it was worth it in the end, which is actually quite refreshing. If I have to compare these films with 4 elements ('Logan' is excluded since it's way too "out there"), this would be the closest: -Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (fantastical, light) -Wonder Woman (grounded, dark) -Spider-Man: Homecoming (grounded, light) -Thor: Ragnarok (fantastical, dark) Then... 'Justice League' came in to ruin the fun. In all fairness, this film certainly had enjoyable moments like some of the action scenes and character interactions, but the film was incredibly problematic. The CGI was quite lame overall, the score was disappointing (Danny Elfman, what happened?), the villlain was lousy, the story felt somewhat unfinished, and biggest of all, the film felt like it had lower stakes than 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', which isn't a good thing in this case since this film deals with a world-ending event. I honestly think 'Man of Steel' was a lot better than this now that I think of it. Seriously, after 5 great comic book films in a row this year, how did this end up becoming such a meh film? That's pretty much the DCEU in a nutshell. You're at a party, everyone's having a good time, and then the local killjoy shows up to crash it.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 13:05:07 GMT
It just looks horrible. Seriously. Even scenes where regular human beings are talking, they look fake. The entire movie just looks like a bad cartoon. Also, it had maybe the worst comic book villain ever after Enchantress (Also DCEU). You know, for all of the flak the MCU receives for its villains, the DCEU is far worse. Enchantress, Lex Luther, Doomsday, Aries, now Steppenwolf? Jesus all of them are horrible villains.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 28, 2017 13:12:18 GMT
It just looks horrible. Seriously. Even scenes where regular human beings are talking, they look fake. The entire movie just looks like a bad cartoon. Also, it had maybe the worst comic book villain ever after Enchantress (Also DCEU). You know, for all of the flak the MCU receives for its villains, the DCEU is far worse. Enchantress, Lex Luther, Doomsday, Aries, now Steppenwolf? Jesus all of them are horrible villains. I actually thought it was decent, yet I don't disagree with anything you said here. I guess everything (except WW) the DCEU has put out so far has been so terrible that JL (to me at least) was actually enjoyable by comparison. I thought the heroes were all likeable characters and Superman finally smiled! It isn't much, I know, but after MoS, BvS and SS, they needed characters people could root for. JL delivered that, at least. But yeah, it does look like a bad cartoon, the writing is mostly crap and their villains have all been total garbage. What really would've made it unwatchable is if it kept the holy-shit-this-screams-Snyder opening sequence tone throughout the entire film. That would've killed the DCEU once and for all.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 13:54:45 GMT
It just looks horrible. Seriously. Even scenes where regular human beings are talking, they look fake. The entire movie just looks like a bad cartoon. Also, it had maybe the worst comic book villain ever after Enchantress (Also DCEU). You know, for all of the flak the MCU receives for its villains, the DCEU is far worse. Enchantress, Lex Luther, Doomsday, Aries, now Steppenwolf? Jesus all of them are horrible villains. I actually thought it was decent, yet I don't disagree with anything you said here. I guess everything (except WW) the DCEU has put out so far has been so terrible that JL (to me at least) was actually enjoyable by comparison. I thought the heroes were all likeable characters and Superman finally smiled! It isn't much, I know, but after MoS, BvS and SS, they needed characters people could root for. JL delivered that, at least. But yeah, it does look like a bad cartoon, the writing is mostly crap and their villains have all been total garbage. What really would've made it unwatchable is if it kept the holy-shit-this-screams-Snyder opening sequence tone throughout the entire film. That would've killed the DCEU once and for all. I gave it a 5/10. I did not think it was awful or anything, just not a good film. I actually like Man of Steel. I know I am in the minority there though. It is probably my favorite DCEU film honestly after seeing Wonder Woman a few times. Superman was the best part of Justice League. He was actually good in it. Aquaman SUCKED though and I like the actor.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 28, 2017 14:05:20 GMT
While I may quibble with one or two points and still have not seen any of these “DCU” flicks except for Man of Steel (which I despised) and Wonder Woman (which I liked very much), this is one swell analysis, blockbusted. Or, as someone I know wrote on another forum, “wanted: more posts like that one!” Some great analysis here, and thank you for it.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 28, 2017 15:57:53 GMT
While I may quibble with one or two points and still have not seen any of these “DCU” flicks except for Man of Steel (which I despised) and Wonder Woman (which I liked very much), this is one swell analysis, blockbusted . Or, as someone I know wrote on another forum, “wanted: more posts like that one!” Some great analysis here, and thank you for it. Can you believe that ‘Justice League’ tied as the most expensive film ever made with ‘Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End’?
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 28, 2017 15:58:52 GMT
While 'Justice League' is by no means the worst film of the year, it is seriously lacking compared to other 5 comic book films of 2017. Let's take a look into those 5. First, we have 'Logan', which is by far the most "out-there" comic book film of 2017. The vibe I've got from here is that the film didn't feel like a superhero film for the most part. Now that I think of it, this was a very emotional neo-western drama film that happens to have elements of superhero films. It was an incredibly visceral film with gritty action scenes, which was reflected in the film's horror film-style action scene scores. Compare that to action scene scores in 'The Wolverine' (which felt like a legit action drama film compared to this) and you'll notice a lot of differences. Then we have 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2'. Admittingly, this was probably a weaker film out of 5, but that doesn't take away the film's overall greatness. Like the first film, this one also felt like a space opera film with superhero film elements. It's also probably the most gorgeous-looking film out of 5, with beautiful sceneries and mostly outstanding CGI. I would go as far as saying that when it comes to technical aspects, this might be the best out of 6 comic book films of 2017 with its colorful aesthetics and fantastic cinematography that involves the opening credit sequence that is almost entirely shot in one take. Next film we have is 'Wonder Woman'. In some ways, this is return to a classic superhero epic - well, superheroine epic in this case. This is a film that portrays the birth of a superhero incredibly well with strong theme of hope and love for humanity despite all the hardships and despair that is called World War I. The film was appropriately dark without going into gloomy and depressing territory and had just enough lighter moments to balance the tone. Most importantly, this is the first legitimately good superheroine film ever and, for all its fault, DCEU finally has at least one good film after one incredibly polarizing film, 1 bad film that managed to improve somewhat thanks to the R-rated cut, and 1 gigantic editing mess (remember how 'Ice Age', 'Pirates of the Caribbean', and 'Transformers' series started out with a good-to-great film respectively? DCEU truly succeeded with its 4th film. In that regard, shame on you, 'Twilight' series). After that, we have 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'. After seeing 15 straight action films in MCU, I'm pretty sure that some people were starting to burn out by MCU having one massive action film after another. Thankfully, this film came to the rescue as it became the MCU's 1st non-action film. Now, here's the thing. When a comic book film lacks action scenes, they usually don't go well (think 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' and especially 'Fant4stic' ![](https://s26.postimg.org/py50mlgnt/dead.gif) ). This film proved that you can make a good comic book film without a lot of action scenes if you execute it well. Not only that, this was also a surprisingly relaxing film compared to 5 other comic book films with pleasantly low stakes overall. As a matter of fact, I think the only guy who died in this film was the first Shocker - and that was because Vulture made a mistake! With its overall relaxing tone and mood, the flim manages to focus more on Peter Parker as a everyday teenager dreaming to join the Avengers. Last, but not least, we have 'Thor: Ragnarok', which turns out to be by far the best film in 'Thor' trilogy. This was a delightful throwback to the 80s in many regards. Score, aesthetics, visual styles, and many more show a lot of influences from films that were made in 1980s. Also, for a film that is supposed to be more comedic, it also has some social/political commentary on things like colonialism, making it the only comic book film of 2017 to cover social/political topics. Not only that, unlike 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2', the third act barely contains any jokes and does arguably becomes one of the darkest moments in MCU. Not to mention that this probably has the most downer ending out of 5 I talked about so far since the ending feels like they lost a lot more than gained with their victory coming with a terrible price. Sure, other 4 films also had some sad notes in their ending, but at least those films felt like the sacrifice made in those films really meant something while in here, it's quite questionable whether it was worth it in the end, which is actually quite refreshing. If I have to compare these films with 4 elements ('Logan' is excluded since it's way too "out there"), this would be the closest: -Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (fantastical, light) -Wonder Woman (grounded, dark) -Spider-Man: Homecoming (grounded, light) -Thor: Ragnarok (fantastical, dark) Then... 'Justice League' came in to ruin the fun. In all fairness, this film certainly had enjoyable moments like some of the action scenes and character interactions, but the film was incredibly problematic. The CGI was quite lame overall, the score was disappointing (Danny Elfman, what happened?), the villlain was lousy, the story felt somewhat unfinished, and biggest of all, the film felt like it had lower stakes than 'Spider-Man: Homecoming', which isn't a good thing in this case since this film deals with a world-ending event. I honestly think 'Man of Steel' was a lot better than this now that I think of it. Seriously, after 5 great comic book films in a row this year, how did this end up becoming such a meh film? That's pretty much the DCEU in a nutshell. You're at a party, everyone's having a good time, and then the local killjoy shows up to crash it. Makes you wonder how ‘Wonder Woman’ managed to become a decent film at the very least.
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Post by blockbusted on Dec 28, 2017 16:23:41 GMT
While I may quibble with one or two points and still have not seen any of these “DCU” flicks except for Man of Steel (which I despised) and Wonder Woman (which I liked very much), this is one swell analysis, blockbusted . Or, as someone I know wrote on another forum, “wanted: more posts like that one!” Some great analysis here, and thank you for it. By the way, what are few points you would disagree with?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 18:16:16 GMT
That's pretty much the DCEU in a nutshell. You're at a party, everyone's having a good time, and then the local killjoy shows up to crash it. Makes you wonder how ‘Wonder Woman’ managed to become a decent film at the very least. Divine Intervention. It could be nothing less.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 28, 2017 18:50:07 GMT
While I may quibble with one or two points and still have not seen any of these “DCU” flicks except for Man of Steel (which I despised) and Wonder Woman (which I liked very much), this is one swell analysis, blockbusted . Or, as someone I know wrote on another forum, “wanted: more posts like that one!” Some great analysis here, and thank you for it. By the way, what are few points you would disagree with? Well, as I say, they’re just quibbles, mostly because I still haven’t seen Justice League, Logan, or (even!) Thor: Ragnarok and can’t really comment one way or another. I haven’t seen either of the Guardians of the Galaxy flicks in their entirety, but I’ve seen bits and pieces, and suffice it to say they’re just not my thing. I wasn’t as fond (by half) of the CGI, and some of the characters annoyed me. Again, I haven’t seen Justice League, but I can’t really imagine my preferring Man of Steel… I really disliked that one. Quibbles—annoying, eh? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by summers8 on Dec 28, 2017 20:36:05 GMT
Needed more time, but in all fairness, is this film as bad as gotg 2?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:50:15 GMT
Needed more time, but in all fairness, is this film as bad as gotg 2? GotG2 was a masterpiece. Never seen a film with so many intercharacteral relations being dealt with. Justice League was fun but not a good film. Its not in the same league. (No pun intended) #teamcolden
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