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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 6:21:25 GMT
With that much roar power, how could Snoke get his clock cleaned by a dude who just got his clock cleaned by a novice nobody?
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Post by darkpast on Dec 30, 2017 6:36:45 GMT
Evil Snoke Force Ghost vs Good Force Ghost Luke?
Is it that Pablo?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 30, 2017 15:52:30 GMT
Word is that everything from JJ's magic boxes was axed by Rian Johnson because he thought knowing their truths would be a greater letdown than killing them altogether.
JJ is treading dangerously close to M.Night territory.
The way I see it, Snoke was a Sith fan just as Chirrut was of the Jedi in SW R1. Alas, that undermines the First Order... is it really just a gang of pretenders, of evil fanboys?? lols If Snoke is nothing, than wtf is all the fuss about... I think I want legitimate greater powers at work & we're simply not going to see than for at least another 2 movies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 17:44:34 GMT
Word is that everything from JJ's magic boxes was axed by Rian Johnson because he thought knowing their truths would be a greater letdown than killing them altogether. I keep hearing this word, but from some of RJ's own admissions, I think it's a slightly different story. Or lack thereof. RJ wanted to get Kylo over as a big bad in this movie so bad - because for as much talk amongst the fanbase as there was about getting Luke out of the way to make room for Rey, it appears everyone on the FO side of things is just as expendable to get Kylo more limelight - that the only way he could think of to do so was to remove Snoke from the equation entirely. If that's true, he's a hack writer, pure and simple. That suspends disbelief entirely, though. How could he be a fan if no one even knew they existed? Not only that, but he wielded a power level unmatched by any known Sith in canon. Except Plagueis and Bane whose full powers have yet to be disclosed in new canon as far as I can tell. That's the trouble with the double-edged sword of what RJ himself created. It's hard to swallow that all the stuff about him tempting Kylo since birth, knowing the intimate details of what happened in ROTJ's throne room, seeing the empire rise and fall, etc. was just a slew of fake mysteries to get fan interest for future movies, but it's plausible. What is not plausible is that in RJ's own movie, Snoke displays powers that are beyond anything Palpatine himself displayed. This fact alone ensures us that him being just some fan of the Sith is impossible. And this is equally troubling. The First Order has no meaning without Snoke. Kylo doesn't really care about the FO or its mission statement. He was only in it because of Snoke. But I'm sure that between this movie and Ep. IX, Kylo will have developed some kind of political interest.  |
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Post by rateater on Dec 30, 2017 17:48:22 GMT
i don't know what happened to snoke but if they just made his back story that he was a side project of the emperor that darth vader didn't know about that would be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 18:53:28 GMT
I think I want legitimate greater powers at work & we're simply not going to see than for at least another 2 movies. I don't know about that. Everthing Lucas worked towards was about "legitimate greater powers" at work.... I see in the last three films a grand opportunity for his vision to happen! I don't know if JJ will go that way or not, but it's a shame if he doesn't, because the saga is still building towards it! It's not about our concept of "God", but about greater powers that we pretend we've got all figured out and understand, generation after generation, just like the Jedi did. Don't believe me? Watch this! Really! |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 30, 2017 19:34:23 GMT
Word is that everything from JJ's magic boxes was axed by Rian Johnson because he thought knowing their truths would be a greater letdown than killing them altogether. JJ is treading dangerously close to M.Night territory. The way I see it, Snoke was a Sith fan just as Chirrut was of the Jedi in SW R1. Alas, that undermines the First Order... is it really just a gang of pretenders, of evil fanboys?? lols If Snoke is nothing, than wtf is all the fuss about... I think I want legitimate greater powers at work & we're simply not going to see than for at least another 2 movies. For a gang of pretenders, they still had some pretty nice ships. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 20:08:05 GMT
i don't know what happened to snoke but if they just made his back story that he was a side project of the emperor that darth vader didn't know about that would be fine. No it would not be fine. Side projects don't wield 10 times the power as their handlers. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 30, 2017 21:27:38 GMT
The reason why Snokes back story was important IMO is that his story is part of the thirty year gap between ROTJ and TFA. It was one piece of that puzzle. What happened during that time?
Who is he? How did he take control of the Imperial Remnant that was out in the Outer Rim? How did the First Order rise to such power without anyone knowing until it was too late? How did he get dark side force powers if he's not Sith? How did he seduce Ben Solo to the dark side if Ben was already under Luke's tutelage? What was his ultimate goal? If he's not Sith why follow Palpatines path to power in creating an Empire/First Order, and having a Vader-like appentice? Did he and Luke ever meet? Why's his face so fucked up?
All questions we'll never get the answer to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:42:58 GMT
The reason why Snokes back story was important IMO is that his story is part of the thirty year gap between ROTJ and TFA. It was one piece of that puzzle. What happened during that time?
Who is he? How did he take control of the Imperial Remnant that was out in the Outer Rim? How did the First Order rise to such power without anyone knowing until it was too late? How did he get dark side force powers if he's not Sith? How did he seduce Ben Solo to the dark side if Ben was already under Luke's tutelage? What was his ultimate goal? If he's not Sith why follow Palpatines path to power in creating an Empire/First Order, and having a Vader-like appentice? Did he and Luke ever meet? Why's his face so fucked up?
All questions we'll never get the answer to.
I still bought his action figure though. LOL That's the maddening part is that the novels actually touched on some of those questions, making even bigger questions out of them because you assumed based on the writing that the clues were continuing to mount toward a revelation. According to the novels, he began his seduction of Ben from birth, almost thirty years before he became Luke's student, which just makes the questions even more poignant. How did he even know about the Skywalker lineage? No one surviving ROTJ even knows about the Skywalker lineage except Luke, Han and Leia. And the only others in the galaxy who knew this secret are dead (Yoda, Kenobi and the Organas). |
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Post by azzajones on Dec 31, 2017 9:51:01 GMT
My guess is Snoke was a surviving Inquisitor
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 31, 2017 15:57:22 GMT
I conceived a fan fic episode 9. Anyway Snoke’s background is the most obvious. A force sensitive who was too old when he applied for acceptance into the Jedi. No doubt there are many like him. I’d have an an ally of his, an old friend with a similar background, although not as powerful, questioning Hux about what happened to his old friend. Not the worst way to introduce a force sensitive villain, given Snoke’s unfortunate demise.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 31, 2017 16:00:03 GMT
The reason why Snokes back story was important IMO is that his story is part of the thirty year gap between ROTJ and TFA. It was one piece of that puzzle. What happened during that time?
Who is he? How did he take control of the Imperial Remnant that was out in the Outer Rim? How did the First Order rise to such power without anyone knowing until it was too late? How did he get dark side force powers if he's not Sith? How did he seduce Ben Solo to the dark side if Ben was already under Luke's tutelage? What was his ultimate goal? If he's not Sith why follow Palpatines path to power in creating an Empire/First Order, and having a Vader-like appentice? Did he and Luke ever meet? Why's his face so fucked up?
All questions we'll never get the answer to.
I still bought his action figure though. LOL That's the maddening part is that the novels actually touched on some of those questions, making even bigger questions out of them because you assumed based on the writing that the clues were continuing to mount toward a revelation. According to the novels, he began his seduction of Ben from birth, almost thirty years before he became Luke's student, which just makes the questions even more poignant. How did he even know about the Skywalker lineage? No one surviving ROTJ even knows about the Skywalker lineage except Luke, Han and Leia. And the only others in the galaxy who knew this secret are dead (Yoda, Kenobi and the Organas). Well Snoke appears to be a proficient telepath. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 20:36:20 GMT
That's the maddening part is that the novels actually touched on some of those questions, making even bigger questions out of them because you assumed based on the writing that the clues were continuing to mount toward a revelation. According to the novels, he began his seduction of Ben from birth, almost thirty years before he became Luke's student, which just makes the questions even more poignant. How did he even know about the Skywalker lineage? No one surviving ROTJ even knows about the Skywalker lineage except Luke, Han and Leia. And the only others in the galaxy who knew this secret are dead (Yoda, Kenobi and the Organas). Well Snoke appears to be a proficient telepath. Indeed, but intercepting information from someone's mind requires intent. Sure, he could have read Luke's, Han's or Leia's mind, but for what purpose if he's a nobody? We can rule out Luke as the cultprit for several reasons. Pretty random if some random guy just randomly decides he's going to probe Leia's or Han's mind for absolutely no reason other than curiosity. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 31, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
Well Snoke appears to be a proficient telepath. Indeed, but intercepting information from someone's mind requires intent. Sure, he could have read Luke's, Han's or Leia's mind, but for what purpose if he's a nobody? We can rule out Luke as the cultprit for several reasons. Pretty random if some random guy just randomly decides he's going to probe Leia's or Han's mind for absolutely no reason other than curiosity. Are they the only ones who knew of Luke’s parentage? The name kinda gives it away. The rebellion knew Luke and his name. I thought it was common knowledge. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
Indeed, but intercepting information from someone's mind requires intent. Sure, he could have read Luke's, Han's or Leia's mind, but for what purpose if he's a nobody? We can rule out Luke as the cultprit for several reasons. Pretty random if some random guy just randomly decides he's going to probe Leia's or Han's mind for absolutely no reason other than curiosity. Are they the only ones who knew of Luke’s parentage? The name kinda gives it away. The rebellion knew Luke and his name. I thought it was common knowledge. Everybody knew that Luke was a Skywalker. Nobody but Palpatine, Yoda, Kenobi, Leia, Luke, Han and the Organas know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker. Palpatine had his records wiped after ROTS per canon. The Organas ,Yoda and Kenobi are dead during the time of Snoke's temptation of Ben Solo. That leaves Luke, Leia and Han who know Vader's true identity during this time. There would be no reason for a random nobody to probe Leia or Han. Snoke somehow knows that Anakin was Vader. That's the key and what made him so interesting, because it seems to indicate that he was either a.) in the throne room during ROTJ when the pieces could have been put together or b.) telepathically linked to someone in the throne room. See, that was the fantastic clue that the writers left that made it all so exciting. He was somehow "present" in that throne room. That's the corner the writers put themselves in, whether the fans realized it or not. The only other way to make sense of Snoke going after Ben from birth would be to assert that Ben was so strong with the Force in the womb that he was already reaching out telepathically to the dark side and that Snoke "picked up the signal." And that would be really lame. |
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