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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 30, 2017 21:56:30 GMT
Here's what I was hoping for/what I would have done...
Instead of Luke dying, I would have had Leia die, and kept him alive for the Episode 9. At the end of the movie I would have had him be spiritually rejuvenated and come back for more in the next episode. He could still die in Episode 9.
I would have axed Laura Derns character (no offense to her) and give all her lines and action to Leia, this way Carrie fisher would have had more to do and she would have had the heroic death, thus solving the Carrie Fisher problem.
I would have used Phasma more throughout the entire movie as Snokes and/or Kylos henchman. I would have had her chase Finns ship to Canto Bight and give him and Rose trouble there.
I would have given some insight/background on Snokes past. Not everything, but enough to have you understand who he is. I would have made him another of Palpatines apprentices that he kept hidden out in the Outer Rim overseeing some Imperial operation out there. We already know Palpatine had more than one apprentice even though theres the Sith rule of two.
I Would have had Reys parents be students of Lukes, form the academy that got destroyed. They got killed too. Lor san Tekka was the one that took her to Jakku. That's why he was there too. He was trying to guard her the same way Obi Wan guarded over Luke on Tatooine. He was a Guardian of the Whills (like Chirrut from Rogue One).
I would have made the knight of Ren Snokes guards instead of those red guys.
I would have had Luke meet Finn and Poe and let them know that he senses they are strong in the force too, but in different ways than Rey (explains how Poe is that good in a ship).
I would have turned the DJ character into a much cooler character, kinda like Lando. Not the forgettable knitwit he was. Thoughts? Theories? |
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Post by Archelaus on Dec 31, 2017 6:06:47 GMT
Here's what I was hoping for: - Luke would actually train Rey. Going by the line in the trailer, "It's time for the Jedi to end" and one of the posters, I was thinking he would teach her to find a balance between using the light and dark sides of the Force.
- An explanation for who Rey's parents were
- DJ would be a useful ally for the Resistance.
- More Captain Phasma
Here's what I would have done: - Have Rey's parents be students of Luke's New Jedi Order. They left her on Jakuu so they could concentrate on their training, but they were ultimately killed by the Knights of Ren.
- Give Finn a stronger character arc. He would not be a coward by trying to run away again.
- DJ would be a useful ally for the Resistance.
- Not kill off Captain Phasma
- Explain the origins of Supreme Leader Snoke
- Have Luke Skywalker regain hope and optimism, physically leave Acho-too, and have a lightsaber duel with Kylo Ren. I would save Luke's death for Episode IX.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 7:00:07 GMT
I would have hoped for Luke not to have been taken so low as the character was taken, and I would have hoped that there were a couple of interesting answers to some of the mysteries brought about from the previous film.
Otherwise I hoped to be entertained, surprised, and the understanding of the Force I see from watching these films for so many decades to be increased. I wanted the family drama to move along so I got my fix of the good old Skywalker soap opera. I received all that. Not too shabby.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 31, 2017 8:10:14 GMT
I was hoping that not only would Kylo Ren not be redeemed, but that he would ultimately prove to be the real big bad instead of Snoke. Luckily, I got exactly that. Though finding out what Snoke's deal was first would have been nice.
Something I didnt realize I wanted until watching the movie was for Rey to join Kylo Ren as the space Bonnie and Clyde.
I was kind of hoping for the fan theory that Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin to be true. Otherwise, I'm glad she's not the offspring of Jedi. Don't we have enough whining about rehashing?
Speaking of Anakin, if nothing else, really wish his force ghost showed up with Yoda. Even if it meant more Hayden Christensen.
Would have killed Leia instead of Luke. I get the feeling with the "Super-Leia" scene that E9 would have explored her force abilities, which would have been cool, but because Carrie Fisher passed away, it was really ill-conceived to not keep Luke around.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 2, 2018 19:59:37 GMT
Would have killed Leia instead of Luke. I get the feeling with the "Super-Leia" scene that E9 would have explored her force abilities, which would have been cool, but because Carrie Fisher passed away, it was really ill-conceived to not keep Luke around. ^this^ |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 2, 2018 20:09:51 GMT
would have them force-splain Rey's abilities away by subtle insinuation that it was actually Luke assisting her... then give her some actual challenge this movie. Suddenly she's not this all-powerful force-thing, she has to work for it. Also, whatever happens, the film would be required to be true to the characterization we expect from Luke. Beyond that, they should have hired Lucas for some art direction/world building, plot creation, yadda yadda. Don't outright let him write dialog, but consult the man, dammit.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 3, 2018 0:17:44 GMT
would have them force-splain Rey's abilities away by subtle insinuation that it was actually Luke assisting her... then give her some actual challenge this movie. Suddenly she's not this all-powerful force-thing, she has to work for it. Also, whatever happens, the film would be required to be true to the characterization we expect from Luke. Beyond that, they should have hired Lucas for some art direction/world building, plot creation, yadda yadda. Don't outright let him write dialog, but consult the man, dammit. hmmmm... but don't you think that force-splaining anything is just another kind of cop out? I do. And its even worse, because its basically admitting you fucked up in the first place.
And my understanding is that Lucas doesn't want to be involved any longer. Plus Lucas isn't the only person with good ideas. The ideas weren't the problem in these movies. It was their execution.
As for Lukes characterization... yep!
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Post by ryboto on Jan 3, 2018 3:25:02 GMT
would have them force-splain Rey's abilities away by subtle insinuation that it was actually Luke assisting her... then give her some actual challenge this movie. Suddenly she's not this all-powerful force-thing, she has to work for it. Also, whatever happens, the film would be required to be true to the characterization we expect from Luke. Beyond that, they should have hired Lucas for some art direction/world building, plot creation, yadda yadda. Don't outright let him write dialog, but consult the man, dammit. hmmmm... but don't you think that force-splaining anything is just another kind of cop out? I do. And its even worse, because its basically admitting you fucked up in the first place.
And my understanding is that Lucas doesn't want to be involved any longer. Plus Lucas isn't the only person with good ideas. The ideas weren't the problem in these movies. It was their execution.
As for Lukes characterization... yep!
Sure, it's a cop out but I didn't enjoy TFA, the characters or direction of the saga. And I understand Lucas deciding to part ways, but you asked what we we're hoping for...and however unrealistic, his involvement gets my vote. I've got unreasonable needs at this point, ha. |
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Post by audiosane on Jan 3, 2018 4:02:47 GMT
I would have hoped for Luke not to have been taken so low as the character was taken, and I would have hoped that there were a couple of interesting answers to some of the mysteries brought about from the previous film. Otherwise I hoped to be entertained, surprised, and the understanding of the Force I see from watching these films for so many decades to be increased. I wanted the family drama to move along so I got my fix of the good old Skywalker soap opera. I received all that. Not too shabby. TFA implied that Luke might've gone to Ahch-To because it was the place of the first Jedi temple. I would have Luke reveal that he was compelled to go there, not out of depression, but because he wanted to study up where he went wrong. Learn some new stuff. We would also discover that he's been training a few Jedi apprentices in secret. Rey would actually get trained in TLJ. We'd also see Kylo Ren training, which would be the perfect opportunity to learn more about Snoke. What the hell is he, a Sith? I would nix the whole space chase rehash from ESB. Remove Rose and give Finn and Poe more screen time together. Possibly explore Finn's background as an ex-stormtrooper by motivating him to free the others from brainwashing. Maybe have him come across some secret info behind enemy lines on where his long lost family lives. Tease that for IX. Set up TLJ for a clash between Luke, Rey and the fledgling Jedi Academy and Snoke, Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren in IX. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 3, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
hmmmm... but don't you think that force-splaining anything is just another kind of cop out? I do. And its even worse, because its basically admitting you fucked up in the first place.
And my understanding is that Lucas doesn't want to be involved any longer. Plus Lucas isn't the only person with good ideas. The ideas weren't the problem in these movies. It was their execution.
As for Lukes characterization... yep!
Sure, it's a cop out but I didn't enjoy TFA, the characters or direction of the saga. And I understand Lucas deciding to part ways, but you asked what we we're hoping for...and however unrealistic, his involvement gets my vote. I've got unreasonable needs at this point, ha. You're right. I did ask what you hoped for. lol.
maybe we'll share what our hopes were for these movies in greater depth one day. Peace!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:01:51 GMT
I would have hoped for Luke not to have been taken so low as the character was taken, and I would have hoped that there were a couple of interesting answers to some of the mysteries brought about from the previous film. Otherwise I hoped to be entertained, surprised, and the understanding of the Force I see from watching these films for so many decades to be increased. I wanted the family drama to move along so I got my fix of the good old Skywalker soap opera. I received all that. Not too shabby. TFA implied that Luke might've gone to Ahch-To because it was the place of the first Jedi temple. I would have Luke reveal that he was compelled to go there, not out of depression, but because he wanted to study up where he went wrong. Learn some new stuff. We would also discover that he's been training a few Jedi apprentices in secret. Rey would actually get trained in TLJ. We'd also see Kylo Ren training, which would be the perfect opportunity to learn more about Snoke. What the hell is he, a Sith? I would nix the whole space chase rehash from ESB. Remove Rose and give Finn and Poe more screen time together. Possibly explore Finn's background as an ex-stormtrooper by motivating him to free the others from brainwashing. Maybe have him come across some secret info behind enemy lines on where his long lost family lives. Tease that for IX. Set up TLJ for a clash between Luke, Rey and the fledgling Jedi Academy and Snoke, Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren in IX. All of this. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by audiosane on Jan 4, 2018 0:29:03 GMT
TFA implied that Luke might've gone to Ahch-To because it was the place of the first Jedi temple. I would have Luke reveal that he was compelled to go there, not out of depression, but because he wanted to study up where he went wrong. Learn some new stuff. We would also discover that he's been training a few Jedi apprentices in secret. Rey would actually get trained in TLJ. We'd also see Kylo Ren training, which would be the perfect opportunity to learn more about Snoke. What the hell is he, a Sith? I would nix the whole space chase rehash from ESB. Remove Rose and give Finn and Poe more screen time together. Possibly explore Finn's background as an ex-stormtrooper by motivating him to free the others from brainwashing. Maybe have him come across some secret info behind enemy lines on where his long lost family lives. Tease that for IX. Set up TLJ for a clash between Luke, Rey and the fledgling Jedi Academy and Snoke, Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren in IX. All of this. Couldn't agree more. Thank you. Some might wonder why Luke would abandon his friends for years. Well, this could be rationalized by him realizing just how powerful and influential Snoke was. Luke would therefore need to take his shit to the next level on Ahch-To. Between this and those scenes with him completing Kylo Ren's training, we could build up Snoke's importance to the story as well the lore surrounding whatever the hell they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 3:56:18 GMT
All of this. Couldn't agree more. Thank you. Some might wonder why Luke would abandon his friends for years. Well, this could be rationalized by him realizing just how powerful and influential Snoke was. Luke would therefore need to take his shit to the next level on Ahch-To. Between this and those scenes with him completing Kylo Ren's training, we could build up Snoke's importance to the story as well the lore surrounding whatever the hell they are. Which is just one of two dozen reasons a whole bunch of other people and I were saying Snoke should have been Plagueis. Luke (rubbing chin): Hmmm...the guy that trained the guy that would've killed me easily if my father hadn't saved me? Ah well...I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, my powers have increased tenfold I...what's that? Oh, he's learned several paths to physical immortality you say? Shit, that's a new one! Ha ha, yeah, but I got that Skywalker blood, BOI! And I'm hizzigh til I dizzie on that Skywalker power. Gurl, you know how we roll in the Skywalker shizzo...wait, what's that? Oh, he's the reason our bloodline is so powerful? Fuck, I got nothin'. I'm gonna need a new plan... |
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Post by audiosane on Jan 4, 2018 4:15:40 GMT
Thank you. Some might wonder why Luke would abandon his friends for years. Well, this could be rationalized by him realizing just how powerful and influential Snoke was. Luke would therefore need to take his shit to the next level on Ahch-To. Between this and those scenes with him completing Kylo Ren's training, we could build up Snoke's importance to the story as well the lore surrounding whatever the hell they are. Which is just one of two dozen reasons a whole bunch of other people and I were saying Snoke should have been Plagueis. Luke (rubbing chin): Hmmm...the guy that trained the guy that would've killed me easily if my father hadn't saved me? Ah well...I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, my powers have increased tenfold I...what's that? Oh, he's learned several paths to physical immortality you say? Shit, that's a new one! Ha ha, yeah, but I got that Skywalker blood, BOI! And I'm hizzigh til I dizzie on that Skywalker power. Gurl, you know how we roll in the Skywalker shizzo...wait, what's that? Oh, he's the reason our bloodline is so powerful? Fuck, I got nothin'. I'm gonna need a new plan... Star Wars: Episode VIII - Back to Old School tagline: The teacher has become... the student. (Yeah, we gotta work on that one.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 5:04:15 GMT
Which is just one of two dozen reasons a whole bunch of other people and I were saying Snoke should have been Plagueis. Luke (rubbing chin): Hmmm...the guy that trained the guy that would've killed me easily if my father hadn't saved me? Ah well...I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, my powers have increased tenfold I...what's that? Oh, he's learned several paths to physical immortality you say? Shit, that's a new one! Ha ha, yeah, but I got that Skywalker blood, BOI! And I'm hizzigh til I dizzie on that Skywalker power. Gurl, you know how we roll in the Skywalker shizzo...wait, what's that? Oh, he's the reason our bloodline is so powerful? Fuck, I got nothin'. I'm gonna need a new plan... Star Wars: Episode VIII - Back to Old School tagline: The teacher has become... the student. (Yeah, we gotta work on that one.) Well, one thing we can say for certain is that Luke didn't get any respect in TLJ. No respect at all. |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 4, 2018 14:21:48 GMT
Thank you. Some might wonder why Luke would abandon his friends for years. Well, this could be rationalized by him realizing just how powerful and influential Snoke was. Luke would therefore need to take his shit to the next level on Ahch-To. Between this and those scenes with him completing Kylo Ren's training, we could build up Snoke's importance to the story as well the lore surrounding whatever the hell they are. Which is just one of two dozen reasons a whole bunch of other people and I were saying Snoke should have been Plagueis. Luke (rubbing chin): Hmmm...the guy that trained the guy that would've killed me easily if my father hadn't saved me? Ah well...I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, my powers have increased tenfold I...what's that? Oh, he's learned several paths to physical immortality you say? Shit, that's a new one! Ha ha, yeah, but I got that Skywalker blood, BOI! And I'm hizzigh til I dizzie on that Skywalker power. Gurl, you know how we roll in the Skywalker shizzo...wait, what's that? Oh, he's the reason our bloodline is so powerful? Fuck, I got nothin'. I'm gonna need a new plan... Thinking on it...this is absolutely how things should have gone. It's a full circle. I'm suddenly more angry at the direction Disney/JJ/Rian took than I was before. Thank you. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 4, 2018 15:26:57 GMT
I was hoping for a cohesive story, relatable characters, interesting reveals that added depth to Rey and Kylo, a respectful treatment of Luke and an honorable death for Leia. TLJ delivered none of these things. Instead we got a bad Star Wars spoof with a nonsensical plot outline being passed off as a 'story.'
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