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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 3, 2018 20:26:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:22:48 GMT
This Kirk guy has terrible taste.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 3, 2018 21:44:13 GMT
This Kirk guy has terrible taste. That guy must've got some nice studio perks from Disney and LucasFilm or something! He basically outlined everything in TFA and TLJ that sucked. He even admitted much of it was bad. Then he tried to explain why we should like it... why it's a good thing! Ugh! I can't even take that article seriously. Shills are annoying.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 3, 2018 21:46:43 GMT
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 3, 2018 23:32:48 GMT
That was a good article. I did watch The Force Awakens immediately before seeing The Last Jedi, and it helped with the experience. I agree Kylo Ren's character arc was one of the highlights of the film. I'm mixed about Rey's parents. I thought the idea of anyone can use the Force was already established in A New Hope.
I do like that Finn is trying to be useful and not run away, but his attempts at bravery are always being undermined. He goes to Starkiller Base claiming to have knowledge of how to turn off the oscillator, but it turns out he knows nothing. He and Rose go to Canto Bight to find the codebreaker to disable the tracker, but the mission fails when DJ turns on them.
I'm glad that we agree that Snoke was a disappointment.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 3, 2018 23:59:25 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:03:33 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents. Nice observation!
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Post by mcufan on Jan 4, 2018 0:09:27 GMT
Good read, I agree with a lot he says. Haven't seen TFA since tlj came out but it seems a pretty good idea now
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 4, 2018 0:25:06 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents. She did not know that about them at that time.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 4, 2018 0:28:24 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents. She did not know that about them at that time. I guess you can't read this, but she knew they left her with an awful man. She didn't want to be like her parents in that sense.
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Post by syafiqjabar on Jan 4, 2018 2:17:02 GMT
This Kirk guy has terrible taste. That guy must've got some nice studio perks from Disney and LucasFilm or something! He basically outlined everything in TFA and TLJ that sucked. He even admitted much of it was bad. Then he tried to explain why we should like it... why it's a good thing! Ugh! I can't even take that article seriously. Shills are annoying. So now you know how the geocentrists feel when they first encounter heliocentrism, or how Christians felt when they meet the first Muslim.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 2:30:48 GMT
I can say watching TFA now does look different when watching. All the little pieces of the story I guessed right and wrong on how it would go. The two films fit together a lot more than I thought now.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 4, 2018 3:23:54 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents. Unfortunately that doesn't really make sense because at the time she had the opportunity to sell BB8 Rey didn't know who her parents were. She really had no clarity about that situation other than she believed that they were coming back for her. It wasn't til the lightsaber vision that she saw them flying away and leaving her with Unkar Plutt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 3:34:03 GMT
The revelation with Rey's parents being nobodies that sold her off does tie in with that one scene she had with BB-8. Where she could have sold him off but didn't? She didn't wanna be her parents. Unfortunately that doesn't really make sense because at the time she had the opportunity to sell BB8 Rey didn't know who her parents were. She really had no clarity about that situation other than she believed that they were coming back for her. It wasn't til the lightsaber vision that she saw them flying away and leaving her with Unkar Plutt. I'll have to check the dialogue when the script is out or rewatch, but I'm pretty sure Kylo's verbage to her was that Rey knew it deep down all along, even if she was in denial to the world.
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Post by darkpast on Jan 4, 2018 3:37:10 GMT
It makes Kathleen Kennedy look like a fool i think. She has no plan besides girl jedi and really bad guy.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 4, 2018 3:49:46 GMT
Unfortunately that doesn't really make sense because at the time she had the opportunity to sell BB8 Rey didn't know who her parents were. She really had no clarity about that situation other than she believed that they were coming back for her. It wasn't til the lightsaber vision that she saw them flying away and leaving her with Unkar Plutt. I'll have to check the dialogue when the script is out or rewatch, but I'm pretty sure Kylo's verbage to her was that Rey knew it deep down all along, even if she was in denial to the world. I think that might be what Kylo actually said, or something similar to it. But even that makes no sense in the context of the 2 movies. Unless he is describing a gut feeling and a fear she had, but still not really knowing the answer. If Rey had literally known it all along then why didn't the complete answer manifest itself in the lightsaber vision? Why would such a detail be so upsetting to her? And why wouldn't the answer have come in that intense vision she had when she "fell down the rabbit hole" into that cave? Kylo even says something to the effect of... I can tell you who your parents are. As if he knows the secret she's searching for. Meh - looks like more sloppiness centered around one of Abrams mystery boxes. If Rey knew all along literally, then why did everything preceding it build it up to be the most mysterious, unknowable secret in the history of Star Wars?!? Ugh! Stupid Abrams!
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 4, 2018 3:56:37 GMT
It makes Kathleen Kennedy look like a fool i think. She has no plan besides girl jedi and really bad guy. Dear Kathleen, Can one of the villains in the next one be a female-to-male, black Muslim transgender so I don't have to hear about this stuff anymore? Maybe have Finn get double-cucked by Rose and Rey with a suave white guy who goes on to singlehandedly save the day while you're at it? Thanks.
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Post by audiosane on Jan 4, 2018 4:14:01 GMT
That was a good article. I did watch The Force Awakens immediately before seeing The Last Jedi, and it helped with the experience. I agree Kylo Ren's character arc was one of the highlights of the film. I'm mixed about Rey's parents. I thought the idea of anyone can use the Force was already established in A New Hope. I do like that Finn is trying to be useful and not run away, but his attempts at bravery are always being undermined. He goes to Starkiller Base claiming to have knowledge of how to turn off the oscillator, but it turns out he knows nothing. He and Rose go to Canto Bight to find the codebreaker to disable the tracker, but the mission fails when DJ turns on them. I'm glad that we agree that Snoke was a disappointment. Yup. Finn more or less repeated his arc from TFA. He started off as a coward, he got knocked on his ass by his female co-lead, he got into an energy melee fight, and he had a brave moment during the climax that ultimately ended in failure. At least Rose was the one who went into a coma this time. Yay...? (On a side note, what's with this trilogy and its obsession with putting people in comas?) Even though Finn defeated Phasma, it felt cheap because he caught her off guard after she knocked him off the platform. This rehashed Finn cheaply stabbing the stormtrooper in the chest with the lightsaber before getting his ass kicked by TR-8R.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 4, 2018 4:19:24 GMT
It makes Kathleen Kennedy look like a fool i think. She has no plan besides girl jedi and really bad guy. I agree in the sense that that's been the essence of what Kathleen Kennedy's (sequel) trilogy has been about all along. But she had a plan. The plan was to turn SW into another Disney warrior princess story. I'm predicting episode 9 is going to beat us over the head with Reylo. The same way TFA beat us over the head with ANH rehash. Maybe even more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 5:15:01 GMT
Unfortunately that doesn't really make sense because at the time she had the opportunity to sell BB8 Rey didn't know who her parents were. She really had no clarity about that situation other than she believed that they were coming back for her. It wasn't til the lightsaber vision that she saw them flying away and leaving her with Unkar Plutt. I'll have to check the dialogue when the script is out or rewatch, but I'm pretty sure Kylo's verbage to her was that Rey knew it deep down all along, even if she was in denial to the world. Strengthened by Maz's dialogue in TFA. But we're missing a key part of this. The original idea is that Rey is recalling what her parents did to her when she decides not to sell BB8, except she does not recall it at all. Denial is especially strong when it comes to something as psychologically scarring as paternal abandonment. Rey has spent years and years convincing herself of something other than the idea that her parents abandoned her. So in fact, up until TLJ, she "doesn't know." As to how Kylo gained all this insight about his future main squeeze's paternal history, he discovered it in the recesses of her mind when he probed her in TFA.
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