Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 0:52:36 GMT
DC and Star Wars has taught us something really important. Fanboys get butthurt when you try something new with their "favorite" characters.
Superman, Batman, and Luke Skywalker were all very well established characters in our culture. And recently, directors have tried to do something new with each of them, only to be met with EXTREME backlash from the fanboy community. A more grounded Superman is "not muh Superman." A more brutal Batman is "not muh Batman." A more broken Luke Skywalker is "not muh Luke Skywalker."
But luckily for Marvel, they haven't allowed their characters to grow or change in any significant ways. Tony Stark is always a cocky asshole who'll do the right thing in the end. Steve Rogers is always a boyscout who'll never compromise his ideals. Great. But does it HAVE to be that way FOREVER?
Would Marvel have testicular fortitude to ever try something new with their characters, or will they leave them "as is" so they can continue to enjoy heaps of praise from their cult followers? Wouldn't that get boring after a while?
As for me, I like it when directors have the nuts to try something new.
Hey, everyone.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:10:45 GMT
They make movies about completely untested characters and turn them into big successes. They have nothing to prove, especially not to you. Plus, those characters you mentioned have been on the big screen for DECADES and the two superheroes you mentioned have gone through multiple incarnations and actors. Ironman, Captain America, the Guardians, Black Widow, and so on are only just now getting big screen exposure. Complaining about Captain America's first big screen adaptation being true to the character as established in the comics is like complaining about the Christopher Reeve Superman movies not making him like Henry Cavill's Superman.
|
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 1:15:18 GMT
DC and Star Wars has taught us something really important. Fanboys get butthurt when you try something new with their "favorite" characters. Superman, Batman, and Luke Skywalker were all very well established characters in our culture. And recently, directors have tried to do something new with each of them, only to be met with EXTREME backlash from the fanboy community. A more grounded Superman is "not muh Superman." A more brutal Batman is "not muh Batman." A more broken Luke Skywalker is "not muh Luke Skywalker." But luckily for Marvel, they haven't allowed their characters to grow or change in any significant ways. Tony Stark is always a cocky asshole who'll do the right thing in the end. Steve Rogers is always a boyscout who'll never compromise his ideals. Great. But does it HAVE to be that way FOREVER? Would Marvel have testicular fortitude to ever try something new with their characters, or will they leave them "as is" so they can continue to enjoy heaps of praise from their cult followers? Wouldn't that get boring after a while? As for me, I like it when directors have the nuts to try something new. Hey, everyone. I mean you screamed at me for suggesting a Gay Transgender Batman. You can't be for new things while shutting down a new suggestion. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:24:33 GMT
To answer your question, yes. Stick to the formula. Minimize risk. Maximize public satisfaction and profits. It's kind of boring, but it's working. There is no MCU formula. They just make good movies that honor the comics that spawned them. Sorry that's such a big crime. I'm sure you would prefer to have every character grunting, snarling edgelords who naval-gaze and discuss the meaning of life after every major event in these films. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:53:11 GMT
They make movies about completely untested characters and turn them into big successes. They have nothing to prove, especially not to you. Plus, those characters you mentioned have been on the big screen for DECADES and the two superheroes you mentioned have gone through multiple incarnations and actors. Ironman, Captain America, the Guardians, Black Widow, and so on are only just now getting big screen exposure. Complaining about Captain America's first big screen adaptation being true to the character as established in the comics is like complaining about the Christopher Reeve Superman movies not making him like Henry Cavill's Superman. Hard to say that they "raped your childhood" when no one knows or cares about the characters they're putting to the screen. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:54:18 GMT
DC and Star Wars has taught us something really important. Fanboys get butthurt when you try something new with their "favorite" characters. Superman, Batman, and Luke Skywalker were all very well established characters in our culture. And recently, directors have tried to do something new with each of them, only to be met with EXTREME backlash from the fanboy community. A more grounded Superman is "not muh Superman." A more brutal Batman is "not muh Batman." A more broken Luke Skywalker is "not muh Luke Skywalker." But luckily for Marvel, they haven't allowed their characters to grow or change in any significant ways. Tony Stark is always a cocky asshole who'll do the right thing in the end. Steve Rogers is always a boyscout who'll never compromise his ideals. Great. But does it HAVE to be that way FOREVER? Would Marvel have testicular fortitude to ever try something new with their characters, or will they leave them "as is" so they can continue to enjoy heaps of praise from their cult followers? Wouldn't that get boring after a while? As for me, I like it when directors have the nuts to try something new. Hey, everyone. I mean you screamed at me for suggesting a Gay Transgender Batman. You can't be for new things while shutting down a new suggestion. When did you suggest that terrible idea? |
|
|
|
Post by politicidal on Jan 5, 2018 2:05:56 GMT
Someone missed 'Civil War'.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 2:07:30 GMT
They make movies about completely untested characters and turn them into big successes. They have nothing to prove, especially not to you. Plus, those characters you mentioned have been on the big screen for DECADES and the two superheroes you mentioned have gone through multiple incarnations and actors. Ironman, Captain America, the Guardians, Black Widow, and so on are only just now getting big screen exposure. Complaining about Captain America's first big screen adaptation being true to the character as established in the comics is like complaining about the Christopher Reeve Superman movies not making him like Henry Cavill's Superman. Hard to say that they "raped your childhood" when no one knows or cares about the characters they're putting to the screen. You're missing the point. Re-imaginings of a character are something you attempt AFTER you've completed a successful run with them in any given media and don't want to retread the same ground the old guard did. For instance, both Tony and Steve have been re-imagined on the comic page many times, but that was only AFTER both had existed for a while. Their live-action silver screen counterparts are the first ever cinematic versions of these characters. Just like Christopher Reeve was the first ever full length theater-released movie Superman, Downey and Evans are the first full length theater-released movie Ironman and Captain America. Re-imagining Superman into a brooding presence didn't happen in live-action film for quite some time after Reeve. Get it? Let the characters be themselves in the first go. Then you re-imagine them in a future incarnation, which I guarantee will happen someday. |
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 5, 2018 10:25:15 GMT
I mean you screamed at me for suggesting a Gay Transgender Batman. You can't be for new things while shutting down a new suggestion. When did you suggest that terrible idea? Back on imdb and can you tell me what's so bad about it? |
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Jan 5, 2018 19:22:59 GMT
Re-imagining Batman as he is in BvS would work if we had the pre-broken Batman 1st. Give us the Batman from 10 years ago that fought guys with exploding wind-up penguins. Going right to The Dark Knight Returns Batman in his 1st appearance doesn't have a feel of re-imagining. It's just them making a collage of different stories into one movie.
Also, people didn't like that Luke was re-imagined. They didn't like that we didn't get Luke from the EU in live action canon.
|
|
|
|
Post by summers8 on Jan 5, 2018 20:16:36 GMT
DC and Star Wars has taught us something really important. Fanboys get butthurt when you try something new with their "favorite" characters. Superman, Batman, and Luke Skywalker were all very well established characters in our culture. And recently, directors have tried to do something new with each of them, only to be met with EXTREME backlash from the fanboy community. A more grounded Superman is "not muh Superman." A more brutal Batman is "not muh Batman." A more broken Luke Skywalker is "not muh Luke Skywalker." But luckily for Marvel, they haven't allowed their characters to grow or change in any significant ways. Tony Stark is always a cocky asshole who'll do the right thing in the end. Steve Rogers is always a boyscout who'll never compromise his ideals. Great. But does it HAVE to be that way FOREVER? Would Marvel have testicular fortitude to ever try something new with their characters, or will they leave them "as is" so they can continue to enjoy heaps of praise from their cult followers? Wouldn't that get boring after a while? As for me, I like it when directors have the nuts to try something new. Hey, everyone. The new star wars movie is awful because the marvel comedy formula crossed over and fans rejected it,critics are now back tracking. does prove marvel is static. You don't use the marvel formula on freaking star wars. Now to answer your question, marvel characters apart from Spiderman, X-Men and F4 will always be static. OP you should never have asked after fans, deep thinking people rejected the ....Spiderman is Iron Man's protege in Homecoming. there is your answer. |
|
|
|
Post by Skaathar on Jan 5, 2018 20:28:04 GMT
New and improved is good and celebrated. New and worse is bad. I mean, changing something for the worse is never a good thing and will definitely earn backlash.
Besides, compare Captain America from his first movie to his third and you'll see a big difference. Same with Stark and Thor.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 20:28:26 GMT
There is no MCU formula. They just make good movies that honor the comics that spawned them. Sorry that's such a big crime. I'm sure you would prefer to have every character grunting, snarling edgelords who naval-gaze and discuss the meaning of life after every major event in these films. Its boring if you are not a child or part of the low IQ Masses. Still though, on a decline. the superhero saturation and comic book fatigue is real. Thank goodness for Logan in 2017. the genre would be a laughing stock if not for that film. The problem with marvel movies is, they destroyed the credibility of the genre. Oh fuck off. Marvel Studios had a 2.5 billion year at the box office. What other studio can say that with only three movies. How on earth is that destroying anything? Yes the competition. You are just salty Disney bought Fox. #teamcolden |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 21:44:30 GMT
There is no MCU formula. They just make good movies that honor the comics that spawned them. Sorry that's such a big crime. I'm sure you would prefer to have every character grunting, snarling edgelords who naval-gaze and discuss the meaning of life after every major event in these films. Its boring if you are not a child or part of the low IQ Masses. Still though, on a decline. the superhero saturation and comic book fatigue is real. Thank goodness for Logan in 2017. the genre would be a laughing stock if not for that film. The problem with marvel movies is, they destroyed the credibility of the genre. Get off your high horse liking a movie doesn't make you intelligent. You keep repeating that MCU destroyed the genre's credibility while in teality you're only trying to convince yourself that your statments are true. |
|
|
|
Post by blockbusted on Jan 5, 2018 21:58:09 GMT
Its boring if you are not a child or part of the low IQ Masses. Still though, on a decline. the superhero saturation and comic book fatigue is real. Thank goodness for Logan in 2017. the genre would be a laughing stock if not for that film. The problem with marvel movies is, they destroyed the credibility of the genre. Get off your high horse liking a movie doesn't make you intelligent. You keep repeating that MCU destroyed the genre's credibility only to trying to convince yourself that your statments are true. Especially if summers8 IS the person who claimed that 'Twilight' series is better than MCU because the former dealt with a teenage girl getting pregnant. |
|
|
|
Post by scabab on Jan 6, 2018 7:36:47 GMT
summers8There's no need to imply people who like MCU movies are children or stupid. They're just movies meant to entertain the masses, there's nothing wrong with enjoying them.
|
|
|
|
Post by ThatGuy on Jan 6, 2018 11:26:05 GMT
DC and Star Wars has taught us something really important. Fanboys get butthurt when you try something new with their "favorite" characters. Superman, Batman, and Luke Skywalker were all very well established characters in our culture. And recently, directors have tried to do something new with each of them, only to be met with EXTREME backlash from the fanboy community. A more grounded Superman is "not muh Superman." A more brutal Batman is "not muh Batman." A more broken Luke Skywalker is "not muh Luke Skywalker." But luckily for Marvel, they haven't allowed their characters to grow or change in any significant ways. Tony Stark is always a cocky asshole who'll do the right thing in the end. Steve Rogers is always a boyscout who'll never compromise his ideals. Great. But does it HAVE to be that way FOREVER? Would Marvel have testicular fortitude to ever try something new with their characters, or will they leave them "as is" so they can continue to enjoy heaps of praise from their cult followers? Wouldn't that get boring after a while? As for me, I like it when directors have the nuts to try something new. Hey, everyone. The new star wars movie is awful because the marvel comedy formula crossed over and fans rejected it,critics are now back tracking. does prove marvel is static. You don't use the marvel formula on freaking star wars. Now to answer your question, marvel characters apart from Spiderman, X-Men and F4 will always be static. OP you should never have asked after fans, deep thinking people rejected the ....Spiderman is Iron Man's protege in Homecoming. there is your answer. The comedy had nothing to do with it because Star Wars has always had comedy. What people reject is that their hero is not portrayed how they wanted him to be portrayed. Wait? Spider-man has never been Iron Man's protege? Never read a comic, huh? Especially the Civil War comics. Also, this is a new, young Spider-man. You do know that in his 1st appearances he went to the Fantastic Four looking to join them, right? Since the MCU didn't have Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four, they used a substitute in Tony and the Avengers. |
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Jan 6, 2018 13:08:46 GMT
The new star wars movie is Rather good, it just wasn't all about Luke and the older fans didn't like that. Sticking to their guns, like good critics. This ever elusive "formula" no one can ever define... Nope, they've grown more than any X-Character has. The X-verse is stagnant. Yeah, a new take on the character that isn't afraid to show how Spidey works in a world where he isn't the only hero. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 13:13:56 GMT
ignorant person? Yes, yes you are. |
|
|
|
Post by formersamhmd on Jan 6, 2018 13:16:23 GMT
A guy sticking up for Marvel after years of it getting s*** on by XCU and DC fans? Yes, yes you are. Fixed. |
|
