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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:35:37 GMT
Another possibility could be using unused footage from Eps 7&8, and inserting into scenes. This is the best option. Although, starting with a funeral wouldn't be the worst idea either, and I am not completely opposed to CGI if they do it right and use it sparingly, like a cameo.
The very best option would have been if Rian Johnson hadn't chickened out and used the YEAR between her death and the release of the movie to come up with a better way. The stuff they shot for TLJ was enough to re-jigger to give her a finale right then and there.
Look at what Ridley Scott did in All the Money in the World? He reshot at least a quarter of the movie in 6 weeks! Similar to what Joss Whedon did on Justice League- maybe not the best example, but it shows that it can be done, and Johnson had way more time to do it in. He chickened out IMO.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jan 15, 2018 18:40:28 GMT
Id prefer a recasting.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 15, 2018 20:31:29 GMT
please please PLEASE let Leia die in dignity unlike the other original characters. Let her die off screen and begin the film with her funeral and how this affects Poe as new leader, Rey as supreme Jedi Master of the new Jedi Order and Finn as the mopping janitor turned hindered-kamikaze. Just no plan-9-from-outer-space unused footage embarrassment, or uncanny CGI monstrosity or pointless "is that supposed to be Leia?" recasting. This would further ruin this trilogy. Try to tell a fresh story for once.
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Post by audiosane on Jan 15, 2018 20:47:29 GMT
please please PLEASE let Leia die in dignity unlike the other original characters. Let her die off screen and begin the film with her funeral and how this affects Poe as new leader, Rey as supreme Jedi Master of the new Jedi Order and Finn as the mopping janitor turned hindered-kamikaze. Just no plan-9-from-outer-space unused footage embarrassment, or uncanny CGI monstrosity or pointless "is that supposed to be Leia?" recasting. This would further ruin this trilogy. Try to tell a fresh story for once. Too late...
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 15, 2018 22:37:20 GMT
My preference is an opening crawl that explains Leia's death followed by a funeral scene. That said, if they end up doing something stupid or disrespectful, I'll be like, "...Yeah." I'm thinking a time lapse of several years, with open war between the (now rebels ans it's allies) and an opening crwal like you said: The beloved princess Leia is no more. The First order dominates the galaxy only opposed by a band of rebels led by the hot-shot pilot Poe Dameron and the former Stormtrooper Finn that seek guidance of former Rebel General Lando Calrissian. Amidst the raging war there have been scarce sightings of the New supreme Leader Kylo Ren, amongst his apprentices, the knights of REN that terrorize the Galaxy seeking newly discovered force users. The Legend of a new savior, akin to the fabled Luke Skywalker, rise, but, like it's predecessor, the whereabouts of this Last Jedi remain unknown. It then cuts to a battle to save younglings from the knights of REN, After that it cuts to Lando in Leias grave. Rey has been teaching herself in the ways of the force with the books and Luke force ghost while giving shelter to younglings that are force sensitive. A Mini Jedi Academy. Question: Why would Luke's Force ghost be teaching Rey since it was apparent in TFA and TLJ that she needs no training? Even Yoda reinforced that in his cameo dialogue. Furthermore why would he aid Rey in hiding younglings and help her establish an academy? It may sound kind of cool because it echoes themes that we've already seen; especially the storyline of ObiWan Kenobi. But it made sense in the context of ObiWan's story. He hid his identity on Tattooine for decades, secretly watching over Luke and waiting for the opportunity to influence Luke's destiny and train him in the Force. And when that time finally came ObiWan was eager to do it. This despite the fact that he saw thousands of Jedi exterminated. In contrast the Luke Skywalker of TLJ was a complete opposite! He saw the destruction of his own small academy and sulked over it. He isolated himself for a decade or two and cut himself off from the Force. ObiWan's actions made sense as a Force ghost given his character development over the previous decades of hiatus. For Luke Skywalker to do something similar as a Force ghost makes little sense given what TLJ established as his character development over his hiatus decades. But that's probably why it or something similar will happen. Because that's the bulk majority of Disney's version of SW - repeating nostalgic themes in completely contrived ways that, upon closer observation, make for absurd or empty character development. Who keeps in touch discussing the Force while teaching respective younglings? Rey and Kylo? Are they going to use Force Skype again? Will they continue the tradition of gazing into each other's eyes? Will Kylo always go bare chested while Rey always appears in a tight pair of khaki half trousers? Oh well, I guess yoga pants are hard to come by on Jakku! Holy barf bags, does that sound so Disney! That scenario might actually have a shred of gravitas if they exchanged a few lines about the mythos of the Force and their contrasting opinions. But under the present PTB it would likely be a bunch of innuendo - a tug of war between lusting and platonic swooning.
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Post by mcufan on Jan 17, 2018 13:32:34 GMT
it only made sense because you had episode 4. Imagine they were released in order. And that was the last Star wars for 20 years. What a delight! The bad guys won! Everybody is depressed. What happened to the kids, to obi wan to Yoda? What I'm saying is that ROTS couldn't be the end of the saga. Too many questions. I think Ix will be like that. They did interrupt the search for Luke for a ds subplot. Lol And please don't make me watch that "man's" face. Yuck I'm not talking about making sense within the context of the saga. I'm talking about wrapping up what was established in the first two films of a trilogy. Rey's journey at this point is finding her own way and figuring out how to deal with Kylo Ren, not raising up the next generation of Jedi. Plus, when the training occurs, the story is typically told from the perspective of the student, not the teacher. This is still Rey's story. That said, I agree with you that waiting 16 years from ROTS in 1983 to ANH in 1999 would've been weird. We all know that the Prequels were meant to be the backstory of the OT despite being a trilogy, so it works out fine the way it was handled. Sure it worked out fine because they were prequels and you knew what came next it did close (almost) all the answers you had from the OT. The ST we don't know what's coming. Also the viewing order for a new SW fan that never saw it (and knows nothing about it) is 4,5,6,1,2,3,R1,7,8 or else it will ruin Empire. I still find it funny when kids (and grown ups) find out about DV. See youtube videos. Its hilarious. I Wouldn't want to rob that moment from anyone.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 17, 2018 15:11:09 GMT
I'm not talking about making sense within the context of the saga. I'm talking about wrapping up what was established in the first two films of a trilogy. Rey's journey at this point is finding her own way and figuring out how to deal with Kylo Ren, not raising up the next generation of Jedi. Plus, when the training occurs, the story is typically told from the perspective of the student, not the teacher. This is still Rey's story. That said, I agree with you that waiting 16 years from ROTS in 1983 to ANH in 1999 would've been weird. We all know that the Prequels were meant to be the backstory of the OT despite being a trilogy, so it works out fine the way it was handled. Sure it worked out fine because they were prequels and you knew what came next it did close (almost) all the answers you had from the OT. The ST we don't know what's coming. Also the viewing order for a new SW fan that never saw it (and knows nothing about it) is 4,5,6,1,2,3,R1,7,8 or else it will ruin Empire. I still find it funny when kids (and grown ups) find out about DV. See youtube videos. Its hilarious. I Wouldn't want to rob that moment from anyone. Could not agree more. The Prequels are prequels...not previously unreleased origin tales. The Chronicles of Narnia should not be read chronologically, the way they are being published now...they should be read in original publishing order. Spartacus should not be watched starting with the Prequel season 2. LOST should not be viewed with all of the flashbacks first, then the events on the island. Seeing something important and then finding out the origin is a thousand times more compelling than just straight narrative. "Why is there a lamppost in Narnia?" Is a lot more interesting narratively than, "Oh look, there's that lamppost."
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Post by mcufan on Jan 17, 2018 15:21:24 GMT
Sure it worked out fine because they were prequels and you knew what came next it did close (almost) all the answers you had from the OT. The ST we don't know what's coming. Also the viewing order for a new SW fan that never saw it (and knows nothing about it) is 4,5,6,1,2,3,R1,7,8 or else it will ruin Empire. I still find it funny when kids (and grown ups) find out about DV. See youtube videos. Its hilarious. I Wouldn't want to rob that moment from anyone. Could not agree more. The Prequels are prequels...not previously unreleased origin tales. The Chronicles of Narnia should not be read chronologically, the way they are being published now...they should be read in original publishing order. Spartacus should not be watched starting with the Prequel season 2. LOST should not be viewed with all of the flashbacks first, then the events on the island. Seeing something important and then finding out the origin is a thousand times more compelling than just straight narrative. "Why is there a lamppost in Narnia?" Is a lot more interesting narratively than, "Oh look, there's that lamppost." R1 can be viewed after ROTJ also. But not before the OT. It will ruin 4. Not to the extent of empire but still.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jan 17, 2018 17:09:19 GMT
Could not agree more. The Prequels are prequels...not previously unreleased origin tales. The Chronicles of Narnia should not be read chronologically, the way they are being published now...they should be read in original publishing order. Spartacus should not be watched starting with the Prequel season 2. LOST should not be viewed with all of the flashbacks first, then the events on the island. Seeing something important and then finding out the origin is a thousand times more compelling than just straight narrative. "Why is there a lamppost in Narnia?" Is a lot more interesting narratively than, "Oh look, there's that lamppost." R1 can be viewed after ROTJ also. But not before the OT. It will ruin 4. Not to the extent of empire but still. I tend to leave R1 out of the discussions...but I agree. Can be either after ROTJ or at the overall end.
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