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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 4:21:55 GMT
I don't think any sort of deities, supernatural entities etc. exist.
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 6, 2018 4:29:03 GMT
it doesn't have to make sense, it's a religiously-tooled belief system.
as a matter of fact, the more nonsensical it is, the more people will swallow it whole.
offering eternal life has a way of doing that to people.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Feb 6, 2018 12:13:49 GMT
I don't think any sort of deities, supernatural entities etc. exist.  What is "higher power" even supposed to mean? It just seems like a nonsensical phrase. The physics sense of power works for objective phenomena: in physics, power is the rate of doing work, the amount of energy transferred per unit time. And you can have a different quantities, of course, but the connotation of "higher" and "lower" in "higher power" doesn't make any sense at all for the physics defnition of power. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 6, 2018 13:16:32 GMT
Rebellions are starting by people in weaker positions all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 13:28:36 GMT
Rebellions are starting by people in weaker positions all the time. That's because God is such an incompetent or indifferent creator that he didn't design his universe such that nobody would want to rebel or could rebel. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 6, 2018 13:29:39 GMT
Rebellions are starting by people in weaker positions all the time. That's because God is such an incompetent or indifferent creator that he didn't design his universe such that nobody would want to rebel or could rebel. That just means God is not a car manufacturer. If you wish to be a robot, I'm sure someone out there is performing lobotomies... |
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Post by kls on Feb 6, 2018 13:33:08 GMT
Pride is the original sin. Adam and Eve's sin and Satan's.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 6, 2018 13:54:05 GMT
God is all-knowing and all-powerful.
How could a being oppose a deity like that and ever be even remotely successful? Wouldn't you know you're gonna lose?
Do you think Satan exists?
Maybe he just didn't think it through. He just got fed up, and then he just snapped one day. And now that he's got all these commitments (other rebellious angels, human worshippers, merchandising, licensing his image, etc.) he really can't walk away from it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 6, 2018 14:02:57 GMT
I think there are a lot of misconceptions tied into Satan as a Bible character.
1. He is not under the same obligations as humans. There is no indication at all that a single angel/demon has ever been killed...yet.
2. The common non-religious trope of free will not existing which is always and will always be stupid
3. That putting down a rebellion means an issue would be resolved.
4. The whole notion of god being all knowing and all powerful is flawed in relation to what scripture states
I'll just leave those there...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 15:16:07 GMT
Don't trap yourself into the common misconception that Satan is omniscient or eternal. He is neither. He was created, thus he had a beginning. Further, he only knows what his senses allow him to perceive in real time. The only cause he had for believing that God wasn't created by someone else and/or that God was all-powerful were God's own claims.
It's not at all hard to imagine how a creature who had been created above his fellow creatures in beauty and power, and, due to his non-eternal existence, had no memory of his own creation or what came before his creation, might think that maybe God was lying about God's power and eternity. After all, how would you know if God could back up His claims until you tested him? So Lucifer tested him and found out the hard way that God was exactly who God said He was.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Feb 6, 2018 17:01:02 GMT
Batman needs the Joker. Superman needs Lex Luthor. Harry Potter needs Voldemort. God needs Satan.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 6, 2018 18:42:51 GMT
God is all-knowing and all-powerful.
How could a being oppose a deity like that and ever be even remotely successful? Wouldn't you know you're gonna lose?
Do you think Satan exists?
The reason the concept of Satan doesn’t make any sense is because it would mean God intentionally created him to be evil, oppose God, and mislead humanity, so that humanity could fall into sin, experience pain, suffering, and death. That would defeat the idea of God either being all good, and all loving, or make it so that he was not all knowing and all powerful. But according to Christian theology, he is all of those things, which makes the concept of Satan a paradoxical contradiction. |
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Post by general313 on Feb 6, 2018 19:57:29 GMT
Batman needs the Joker. Superman needs Lex Luthor. Harry Potter needs Voldemort. God needs Satan. God and Satan are the original Good Cop/Bad Cop duo, it has always been a winning combination. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 6, 2018 20:11:44 GMT
God is all-knowing and all-powerful.
How could a being oppose a deity like that and ever be even remotely successful? Wouldn't you know you're gonna lose?
Do you think Satan exists?
The reason the concept of Satan doesn’t make any sense is because it would mean God intentionally created him to be evil, oppose God, and mislead humanity, so that humanity could fall into sin, experience pain, suffering, and death. That would defeat the idea of God either being all good, and all loving, or make it so that he was not all knowing and all powerful. But according to Christian theology, he is all of those things, which makes the concept of Satan a paradoxical contradiction. It doesn't mean that at all. The paradox is created only hen we think too much on the need for a contradiction. There is nothing even remotely unusual about someone choosing to be evil. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Feb 6, 2018 23:36:14 GMT
There are people who worship Satan. It doesn't matter if Satan exists, they do.
I suspect most of them are just goofy kids with difficulties establishing their identity. There could be some really sick people out there though.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 6, 2018 23:39:32 GMT
There are people who worship Satan. It doesn't matter if Satan exists, they do. I suspect most of them are just goofy kids with difficulties establishing their identity. There could be some really sick people out there though. Those "Satan worshippers" you're probably referring to are Laveyan Satanists, which aren't really Satanists (most of them are atheists).
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 7, 2018 2:15:35 GMT
The reason the concept of Satan doesn’t make any sense is because it would mean God intentionally created him to be evil, oppose God, and mislead humanity, so that humanity could fall into sin, experience pain, suffering, and death. That would defeat the idea of God either being all good, and all loving, or make it so that he was not all knowing and all powerful. But according to Christian theology, he is all of those things, which makes the concept of Satan a paradoxical contradiction. It doesn't mean that at all. The paradox is created only hen we think too much on the need for a contradiction. There is nothing even remotely unusual about someone choosing to be evil. Congratulations on predictably missing the actually point of what I said. Whether or not someone chooses to be evil is 100% IRRELEVANT to what I just said. The issue has to do with what GOD created, which shows that he is either NOT all knowing, or NOT all loving. Both things cannot be true at the same time given that he created EVIL in the first place. |
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 7, 2018 2:17:19 GMT
There are people who worship Satan. It doesn't matter if Satan exists, they do. I suspect most of them are just goofy kids with difficulties establishing their identity. There could be some really sick people out there though. There some really sick people out there who worship Jesus too. There are also some pretty sick people on these boards who worship Jesus. But being sick minded and worshiping random, mythical deity X are two separate things. |
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 7, 2018 17:58:17 GMT
What's the more dangerous threat than the one that lures you into a false sense of security that everything's fine and nothing's wrong? We see a million examples of that all the time, it all had to start somewhere.
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