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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 18:39:11 GMT
And how can you be sure that there isn't a God ?
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 6, 2018 18:45:07 GMT
And how can you be sure that there isn't a God ? No one can be sure of either condition. They could only logically deduce which is more likely given the evidence (or lack thereof) in hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 18:48:19 GMT
And how can you be sure that there isn't a God ? No one can be sure of either condition. They could only logically deduce which is more likely given the evidence (or lack thereof) in hand. That is true, but there are people who claim they are sure. |
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 6, 2018 19:02:13 GMT
No one can be sure of either condition. They could only logically deduce which is more likely given the evidence (or lack thereof) in hand. That is true, but there are people who claim they are sure. Well, they may be “sure” in as much as they have convinced themselves of what is “true” in spite of the evidence. People are often “sure” of a lot of things that turn out to be wrong in the end. Being sure is a matter of perception and confidence in what you believe, not necessarily what is true in reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 20:13:19 GMT
That is true, but there are people who claim they are sure. Well, they may be “sure” in as much as they have convinced themselves of what is “true” in spite of the evidence. People are often “sure” of a lot of things that turn out to be wrong in the end. Being sure is a matter of perception and confidence in what you believe, not necessarily what is true in reality. I agree with this, for the most part. I would delete "in spite of the evidence" in order to make it truer still (to be fair, there are plenty of instances where people have been sure and where the evidence thus discovered heavily pointed to their correctness, but, in fact, it turns out they were wrong), but I agree with the spirit of the overall comment. My confidence in the sureness of God existing is fully based on my personal experience and personal perception. |
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Post by johnblutarsky on Feb 6, 2018 20:26:33 GMT
And how can you be sure that there isn't a God ? Trying to prove a negative is pointless. That's why I feel everyone is either an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 6, 2018 20:47:27 GMT
God speaks audibly to me and the reason I know it's God and not my mind playing tricks is because God has a better vocabulary than me and he used words I didn't know and I had to look them up later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 21:25:01 GMT
God speaks audibly to me and the reason I know it's God and not my mind playing tricks is because God has a better vocabulary than me and he used words I didn't know and I had to look them up later. You must be Pentecostal. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 6, 2018 21:49:21 GMT
God speaks audibly to me and the reason I know it's God and not my mind playing tricks is because God has a better vocabulary than me and he used words I didn't know and I had to look them up later. You must be Pentecostal. I had to look that up too. Nope I'm not. |
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Post by Cody™ on Feb 6, 2018 22:15:43 GMT
Because we know something can't just come from nothing and produce everything. Non-life can't just produce life. Randomness can't just produce fine-tuning. Chaos can't just produce information. Unconsciousness can't produce consciousness. And non-reason can't produce reason.
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Post by progressiveelement on Feb 6, 2018 22:18:17 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 6, 2018 22:18:46 GMT
when your bowing down before him and no one has EVER answered. well, after thousands of years of distorted history ( i can't honestly call it recorded) and there is nothing there.
do the math.
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Post by cupcakes on Feb 6, 2018 22:26:39 GMT
tpfkar And how can you be sure that there isn't a God ? Trying to prove a negative is pointless. That's why I feel everyone is either an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. As addendum I'd also highlight that one of those positions is more reasonable than the other by leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 22:29:27 GMT
I had to look that up too. Nope I'm not. Well, dang it, it's not a very funny joke if you don't know what a Pentecostal is. Maybe I should have used Apostolic as my punch line. |
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Post by MCDemuth on Feb 6, 2018 22:46:09 GMT
I'm on the fence...
Scientists can't explain how our Complex Universe came into existence, and that is because... it coming together out of complete randomness, is less likely than it being engineered.
Also 0 + 0 does NOT = 1. There had to be something that came before... Some have proposed (gravity waves?). Fine. But gravity waves is still something. So, where did those gravity waves come from?
I think too many people are locked into one idea of what God is. The God from the Bible... Who is to say that it wasn't a race of aliens beings that set off the Big Bang, to see what would happen. Perhaps something like the Genesis Device seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, only that device was something on a much grander scale...
Common Now... Be Honest Here... THE TRUTH IS... For some reason, people think because that because Mankind went to the Moon, we are "know it alls". But, every day, scientist discover new things, proving that we really don't know Shit about anything... Maybe "God" exited, maybe not. At this moment, there is no way for us to know. NO ONE KNOWS where the end of the universe is, or what is outside it. So, Maybe that is the only place where the evidence of "God's" existence cane be found...
At this time, I don't believe there is anyway for anyone to know for sure.
For now, All that people have is their beliefs to guide them in getting their answers about life. Either belief in religion. Or belief in science.
I don't understand, why we can't have a little bit of both.
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 6, 2018 22:54:12 GMT
I'm on the fence... Scientists can't explain how our Complex Universe came into existence, and that is because... it coming together out of complete randomness, is less likely than it being engineered. Also 0 + 0 does NOT = 1. There had to be something that came before... Some have proposed (gravity waves?). Fine. But gravity waves is still something. So, where did those gravity waves come from? I think too many people are locked into one idea of what God is. The God from the Bible... Who is to say that it wasn't a race of aliens beings that set off the Big Bang, to see what would happen. Perhaps something like the Genesis Device seen in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, only that device was something on a much grander scale... Common Now... Be Honest Here... THE TRUTH IS... For some reason, people think because that because Mankind went to the Moon, we are "know it alls". But, every day, scientist discover new things, proving that we really don't know Shit about anything... Maybe "God" exited, maybe not. At this moment, there is no way for us to know. NO ONE KNOWS where the end of the universe is, or what is outside it. So, Maybe that is the only place where the evidence of "God's" existence cane be found... At this time, I don't believe there is anyway for anyone to know for sure. For now, All that people have is their beliefs to guide them in getting their answers about life. Either belief in religion. Or belief in science. I don't understand, why we can't have a little bit of both. people are locked into the idea of a 'god' because they are fed this nonsense so they won't have to use their brains to actually think for themselves. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 6, 2018 23:06:50 GMT
I had to look that up too. Nope I'm not. Well, dang it, it's not a very funny joke if you don't know what a Pentecostal is. Maybe I should have used Apostolic as my punch line. Well, the guy just wanted to know how I know there's God and I told him.
Sorry your joke didn't work out. I'll bet it was good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 23:08:47 GMT
Well, dang it, it's not a very funny joke if you don't know what a Pentecostal is. Maybe I should have used Apostolic as my punch line. Well, the guy just wanted to know how I know there's God and I told him.
Sorry your joke didn't work out. I'll bet it was good.
Look up a video of Pentecostals "speaking in tongues" and maybe you'll get a late-blooming grin out of it at least. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 6, 2018 23:16:25 GMT
Well, the guy just wanted to know how I know there's God and I told him.
Sorry your joke didn't work out. I'll bet it was good.
Look up a video of Pentecostals "speaking in tongues" and maybe you'll get a late-blooming grin out of it at least. I've seen that kind of stuff. It's nothing like what I was talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 23:18:21 GMT
Look up a video of Pentecostals "speaking in tongues" and maybe you'll get a late-blooming grin out of it at least. I've seen that kind of stuff. It's nothing like what I was talking about. You said he spoke to you, but used words you didn't know, so I....oh, nevermind. |
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