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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 16, 2018 13:10:22 GMT
I do not mean in content or even the women empowerment vs. black empowerment message either. I just mean in terms of being highly overrated. Both are very solid movies. I gave them both a 7/10. Both very well done. I feel BP had some better action, but WW seems to have a tighter story. I definitely liked Killmonger more than Aries. However, I liked the two side villains (Colonel and scientist) almost just as much. My point is that both were decent movies. Nothing special, but definitely worth watching. Both have been praised like they are the second coming.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 13:13:22 GMT
I could see this coming a mile off.
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Post by THawk on Feb 16, 2018 14:08:33 GMT
I agree with that on Wonder Woman, but Black Panther is a bit more difficult to say. I did find it to be somewhere between a very good and great movie, but definitely not the "THIS IS the FIRST EVA---THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING--FINALLY SOME REPRESENTATION" nonsense some critics are misleading the public about.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 16, 2018 14:21:21 GMT
I agree with that on Wonder Woman, but Black Panther is a bit more difficult to say. I did find it to be somewhere between a very good and great movie, but definitely not the "THIS IS the FIRST EVA---THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING--FINALLY SOME REPRESENTATION" nonsense some critics are misleading the public about. I definitely want to see it again. I was not in the greatest theater for it, so the fight scenes did not look that great. I still really enjoyed the movie though. I just want to throw that out there. I am just saying all the reviews praising it for being some kind of revolutionary movie are ridiculous.
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Post by summers8 on Feb 16, 2018 14:30:26 GMT
I agree with that on Wonder Woman, but Black Panther is a bit more difficult to say. I did find it to be somewhere between a very good and great movie, but definitely not the "THIS IS the FIRST EVA---THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING--FINALLY SOME REPRESENTATION" nonsense some critics are misleading the public about. I definitely want to see it again. I was not in the greatest theater for it, so the fight scenes did not look that great. I still really enjoyed the movie though. I just want to throw that out there. I am just saying all the reviews praising it for being some kind of revolutionary movie are ridiculous. Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 16, 2018 16:28:27 GMT
I definitely want to see it again. I was not in the greatest theater for it, so the fight scenes did not look that great. I still really enjoyed the movie though. I just want to throw that out there. I am just saying all the reviews praising it for being some kind of revolutionary movie are ridiculous. Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Maybe revolutionary for blacks, not necessarily for the entire POC community. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino, middle-eastern, Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. That said, we really need to stop including political agendas in these movies. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, I'd prefer to watch these fictional works of enjoyment without that kind undercurrent.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 16, 2018 16:55:45 GMT
Except BP will get Oscars to avoid #OscarsSoWhite
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Post by summers8 on Feb 16, 2018 17:23:40 GMT
Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Revolutionary? I doubt it. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino or Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. Not that I have anything against the movie or the color of any of the actors in it, I just think it should be enjoyed for what it is: a fictional superhero blockbuster. Let's just drop all the political agenda. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, we don't need it in our fictional escapes as well. if more black lead movies succeed there could be more doors opened for Latinos and asians. Its a step by step process.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 16, 2018 17:37:55 GMT
Revolutionary? I doubt it. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino or Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. Not that I have anything against the movie or the color of any of the actors in it, I just think it should be enjoyed for what it is: a fictional superhero blockbuster. Let's just drop all the political agenda. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, we don't need it in our fictional escapes as well. if more black lead movies succeed there could be more doors opened for Latinos and asians. Its a step by step process. When that event happens, then you can claim it's revolutionary for POC. Right now it isn't. After all, blacks are the 2nd most well-represented race in media after Caucasians and have been for decades. This film may very well end up being a great film (I hope it is) but it isn't quite as revolutionary as you make it seem. It isn't doing anything completely new, though we can say it might be improving on things that were already done before.
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 16, 2018 19:10:22 GMT
I definitely want to see it again. I was not in the greatest theater for it, so the fight scenes did not look that great. I still really enjoyed the movie though. I just want to throw that out there. I am just saying all the reviews praising it for being some kind of revolutionary movie are ridiculous. Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Dropping like a rock on RT Audience--was 94% yesterday, today only 76%
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 19:13:45 GMT
I had a feeling.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 17, 2018 0:12:59 GMT
I mean they both had a terrible cgi end fight.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 17, 2018 4:21:59 GMT
Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Dropping like a rock on RT Audience--was 94% yesterday, today only 76% WOW! An 18% drop after audiences finally got to see it. So the movie is indeed over-rated by the critics, probably because the critics were afraid of being called racist if they give the movie a bad rating.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 5:25:52 GMT
Dropping like a rock on RT Audience--was 94% yesterday, today only 76% WOW! An 18% drop after audiences finally got to see it. So the movie is indeed over-rated by the critics, probably because the critics were afraid of being called racist if they give the movie a bad rating. Nah, it's the people who were planning on sabotaging the RT score just to spite the film getting through despite RT's best efforts.
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Post by gomezaddams666 on Feb 17, 2018 5:30:18 GMT
Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Maybe revolutionary for blacks, not necessarily for the entire POC community. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino, middle-eastern, Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. That said, we really need to stop including political agendas in these movies. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, I'd prefer to watch these fictional works of enjoyment without that kind undercurrent. True, the closest Latinos have gotten is on TV with Ghost Rider on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Ortega in Netflix's Altered Carbon. Just saw BP, I gave it a 5/10... nothing special.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 17, 2018 7:36:12 GMT
I could see this coming a mile off. You'd need to have your eyes surgically removed to not see this coming. BP was everything I'd wanted Wonder Woman to be and didn't get.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 17, 2018 13:44:23 GMT
I could see this coming a mile off. You'd need to have your eyes surgically removed to not see this coming. BP was everything I'd wanted Wonder Woman to be and didn't get. Listen, I countered Summers8 so badly he blocked me. Since he still listens to you and if you want to drive him nuts you can repost my rebuttals to him.
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Post by ThatGuy on Feb 17, 2018 16:43:56 GMT
Revolutionary for people of colour for the 21st century. it means a lot to them. its something we can at least understand giving the toxic political climate we are in and black history. Maybe revolutionary for blacks, not necessarily for the entire POC community. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino, middle-eastern, Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. That said, we really need to stop including political agendas in these movies. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, I'd prefer to watch these fictional works of enjoyment without that kind undercurrent. Are there any characters centered around those cultures? I mean there are some comics led by characters of those cultures. Latin we have White Tiger. But, I mean, people would look at that as Marvel making another Black Panther. And nobody likes Ms America (and that would be more of a LGBTQ movie). Most are villains, mutants or a Spider-man/woman. Ms. Marvel for Middle Eastern. Hard-pressed to find Indian characters in Marvel that's not villains or mutants. Shang-Chi will most likely go to wherever Marvel sends their Netflix shows after they start their streaming service (Hulu?). Then you have Silk (just a Spider-woman) and mutants and others that are East Asian other characters and mutants. Most are either caricatures of the culture they are suppose to be a part of or that culture is surface. The Latino ones are the worst. Most are El "something".
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 17, 2018 18:17:28 GMT
I've rarely seen it happen, but I will laugh my butt off if the Audience % starts to go up. I mean usually Superhero Movies get 80-120k audience reviews and Black Panther only has 49k. I've seen IMDB ratings go up, but not so much on RT audience score or rating.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 17, 2018 23:38:54 GMT
Maybe revolutionary for blacks, not necessarily for the entire POC community. Certainly doesn't feel revolutionary to me or my ilk. People forget that black is not the only color in the POC umbrella. Show me a Hollywood superhero blockbuster centered around latino, middle-eastern, Indian or southeast Asian culture and maybe we can start throwing the word "revolutionary" around. That said, we really need to stop including political agendas in these movies. We already have enough of that in our daily lives, I'd prefer to watch these fictional works of enjoyment without that kind undercurrent. Are there any characters centered around those cultures? I mean there are some comics led by characters of those cultures. Latin we have White Tiger. But, I mean, people would look at that as Marvel making another Black Panther. And nobody likes Ms America (and that would be more of a LGBTQ movie). Most are villains, mutants or a Spider-man/woman. Ms. Marvel for Middle Eastern. Hard-pressed to find Indian characters in Marvel that's not villains or mutants. Shang-Chi will most likely go to wherever Marvel sends their Netflix shows after they start their streaming service (Hulu?). Then you have Silk (just a Spider-woman) and mutants and others that are East Asian other characters and mutants. Most are either caricatures of the culture they are suppose to be a part of or that culture is surface. The Latino ones are the worst. Most are El "something". Well there's Amadeus Cho Hulk, Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider and Miles Morales Spiderman. And although these characters all live in the US, they could easily showcase the culture of their families and communities. It could even be argued that Ironfist and Dr. Strange both had a chance to showcase a lot of Asian culture despite having caucasian leading men. I was a bit disappointed that they didn't.
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