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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 4:03:59 GMT
The tone wasn't the problem. The problem was the direction and writing. Zack Snyder even said himself that he doesn't think superheroes having a conversation together works. THAT'S why it felt bleak. Which is stupid because it has been proven MANY times that characters having a conversation together in superheroes movies CAN work. Just look how serious this scene is and tell me that it's bleak... The tone was a huge problem FOR ME and you will NEVER change how I feel about that. So every comic book movie should be lighthearted?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 4:12:18 GMT
I'm saying I shouldn't leave one feeling drained and in a worse mood than when I went in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 4:26:37 GMT
I'm saying I shouldn't leave one feeling drained and in a worse mood than when I went in. But that's what I'm saying. It's the direction and writing that's responsible for that. Not the tone itself. Even when I was a kid I wanted comic book movies too be taken more seriously like the comics. Oh, but because the MCU, people expect comic book movies to be silly and comedic. Even The Avengers comics were taken more seriously than the movies. If people think comic book movies can't be taken seriously, then genre hasn't evolved at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 4:31:56 GMT
That is literally the biggest pile of crap I have ever read in my entire life. If you think the MCU is only silly and comedic and that it's ruining the genre, then you and I have nothing more to say to each other. Goodbye, it hasn't been pleasant.
God forbid people have a good time at these films and leave with big smiles on their faces, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 4:57:46 GMT
That is literally the biggest pile of crap I have ever read in my entire life. If you think the MCU is only silly and comedic and that it's ruining the genre, then you and I have nothing more to say to each other. Goodbye, it hasn't been pleasant. God forbid people have a good time at these films and leave with big smiles on their faces, right? There is nothing wrong with having fun with comic book movies. But if you think they can't be more than just dumb fun, then you're the one that's wrong here. It's an insult if you think comic books movies can't tell deeper stories. That's means you can't take the genre seriously. No wonder you're not looking forward to Logan. God forbid telling more human stories about these characters. If you think the comic book genre is all a joke, then you don't respected for the genre at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 5:12:22 GMT
When did I say they couldn't be more than dumb fun? Show me exactly where. Show me. You can't. The MCU has told several deeper stories. In fact, they've been deeper than anything Warner Bros/DC has put out in ten years and deeper than anything Fox has ever put out. The difference is that Marvel Studio tells them in an enjoyable way and they aren't ashamed of their comic book roots. They're not ashamed to use actual color or just let some of the innate goofiness that comes with the territory speak for itself. No, my problems with Logan come from Wolverine being an annoyingly overrated character who has taken screentime from far better characters far too many times. Of course, you don't think about things like that, because "oh, the edge!". Your argument about "human stories" only works if the MCU characters weren't a million times more human than anything Fox has produced with the Marvel license. I think you're the one with doesn't respect the genre at all.
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Post by havenless on Feb 12, 2017 5:24:19 GMT
When did I say they couldn't be more than dumb fun? Show me exactly where. Show me. You can't. The MCU has told several deeper stories. In fact, they've been deeper than anything Warner Bros/DC has put out in ten years and deeper than anything Fox has ever put out. The difference is that Marvel Studio tells them in an enjoyable way and they aren't ashamed of their comic book roots. They're not ashamed to use actual color or just let some of the innate goofiness that comes with the territory speak for itself. No, my problems with Logan come from Wolverine being an annoyingly overrated character who has taken screentime from far better characters far too many times. Of course, you don't think about things like that, because "oh, the edge!". Your argument about "human stories" only works if the MCU characters weren't a million times more human than anything Fox has produced with the Marvel license. I think you're the one with doesn't respect the genre at all. Well you did say his comment was the biggest pile of crap you've ever read in your entire life, so either you don't spend much time at all on the internet, or you're prone to wild hyperboles. And as the latter is the more likely answer, his comment about dumb fun was within reason to assume.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 5:32:34 GMT
No, his comment was genuine garbage. forbiddenarms obviously overestimates how seriously comic books are taken, for one thing. And for another, the very idea of a colorful, fun, and enjoyable comic book film that also has a very human story to tell seems to be beyond his understanding. God, I can't wait for Darwinskid to get here. At least he's not a pretentious blowhard.
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Post by havenless on Feb 12, 2017 14:57:07 GMT
No, his comment was genuine garbage. forbiddenarms obviously overestimates how seriously comic books are taken, for one thing. And for another, the very idea of a colorful, fun, and enjoyable comic book film that also has a very human story to tell seems to be beyond his understanding. God, I can't wait for Darwinskid to get here. At least he's not a pretentious blowhard. Do you not see that YOU are the one telling people their opinions are not worthy. The personal insults are really not necessary in a film discussion board.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 12, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
No, his comment was genuine garbage. forbiddenarms obviously overestimates how seriously comic books are taken, for one thing. And for another, the very idea of a colorful, fun, and enjoyable comic book film that also has a very human story to tell seems to be beyond his understanding. God, I can't wait for Darwinskid to get here. At least he's not a pretentious blowhard. Do you not see that YOU are the one telling people their opinions are not worthy. The personal insults are really not necessary in a film discussion board. ikr
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:25:58 GMT
Do you not see that YOU are the one telling people their opinions are not worthy. The personal insults are really not necessary in a film discussion board. ikr They did it first. I'm just returning the favor from being called a monkey trained to laugh at anything by Marvel. I also call things as I see them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 21:14:37 GMT
When did I say they couldn't be more than dumb fun? Show me exactly where. Show me. You can't. The MCU has told several deeper stories. In fact, they've been deeper than anything Warner Bros/DC has put out in ten years and deeper than anything Fox has ever put out. The difference is that Marvel Studio tells them in an enjoyable way and they aren't ashamed of their comic book roots. They're not ashamed to use actual color or just let some of the innate goofiness that comes with the territory speak for itself. No, my problems with Logan come from Wolverine being an annoyingly overrated character who has taken screentime from far better characters far too many times. Of course, you don't think about things like that, because "oh, the edge!". Your argument about "human stories" only works if the MCU characters weren't a million times more human than anything Fox has produced with the Marvel license. I think you're the one with doesn't respect the genre at all. Really? Name one MCU movie that's as deep as The Dark Knight films, X2, X-Men: First Class, and X-Men: Days of Future Past. Since you're claiming MCU films are the deepest comic book movies out there. Yeah, you can call Wolverine overrated all you want, but you'll be waiting in line to go see it if it was done by Marvel. Plus Iron Man is even more overrated, if anything. Everything revolves around him. He created Ultron, created Spider-Man's suit, knows Thanos is coming. Hell, in Captain America: Civil War, Steve Rogers said something like how all of these superheroes started showing up once Tony Stark became Iron Man. Really? We know Iron Man kicked off the MCU, but did they really need to address it on film? Oh, but no. Iron Man isn't overrated because he's done by Marvel. Everything Marvel touches turns into masterpieces. The funny thing about all this is, I'm actually a fan of the MCU. My problem is that some people think superhero movies should be done the Marvel way. Which I'm against, because I want every superhero movie to feel different. Oh, but dark superhero movies is a big no no. But hey, you're talking to a guy who saw Batman Returns as a child. So maybe that's why I'm not so sensitive about darker superhero movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 21:25:50 GMT
The entire Captain America trilogy Avengers: Age of Ultron Ironman Ironman 3 Thor The films you listed are not that deep. They're just wrapped up in broody packages that make them seem more deep and they're more acceptable to you because they're intentionally trying to be edgy instead of embracing their comic book nature. I'm sorry you're embarrassed to be a comic book fan.
Actually, no, I wouldn't go see Wolverine even if Marvel did make it. I'm just done with the character. I'm going to continue to vote him off the island with my wallet as much as I can regardless of what company makes his films. If Marvel made the film, I'd simply look up how it ties into the larger universe on Google.
"Oh, but dark superhero movies is a big no no." This site needs an eye-roll smilie. So Bucky being tortured into an emotionless murder-machine with no will of his own for decades isn't dark as hell?
I also saw Batman Returns as a child and found it lacking. As did many adults who saw it.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 12, 2017 23:05:12 GMT
They did it first. I'm just returning the favor from being called a monkey trained to laugh at anything by Marvel. I also call things as I see them. so? you can be the bigger person and so can they, if you all choose to be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:08:17 GMT
Letting slights go just opens you up to more. I learned that the hard way a long time ago.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 12, 2017 23:09:44 GMT
The entire Captain America trilogy Avengers: Age of Ultron Ironman Ironman 3 Thor The films you listed are not that deep. They're just wrapped up in broody packages that make them seem more deep and they're more acceptable to you because they're intentionally trying to be edgy instead of embracing their comic book nature. I'm sorry you're embarrassed to be a comic book fan. Actually, no, I wouldn't go see Wolverine even if Marvel did make it. I'm just done with the character. I'm going to continue to vote him off the island with my wallet as much as I can regardless of what company makes his films. If Marvel made the film, I'd simply look up how it ties into the larger universe on Google. "Oh, but dark superhero movies is a big no no." This site needs an eye-roll smilie. So Bucky being tortured into an emotionless murder-machine with no will of his own for decades isn't dark as hell? I also saw Batman Returns as a child and found it lacking. As did many adults who saw it. there's nothing wrong with embracing the comics, but there's also nothing wrong with trying to take it into completely different territories. I mean let's take it all the way back to Xmen and Spider-Man, the former wanted to ground it as much as possible, and the latter wanted to captivate the fantastical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:13:34 GMT
Grounding the X-Men is just about the worse thing you can do to them. It limits you from ever being able to touch a lot of the more interesting stories and it's why we will never get a proper retelling of the Phoenix Saga. It is plain obvious Singer and his writers don't understand anything about that story. They only see the big bird with godlike powers and none of the character development.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:13:43 GMT
The entire Captain America trilogy Avengers: Age of Ultron Ironman Ironman 3 Thor The films you listed are not that deep. They're just wrapped up in broody packages that make them seem more deep and they're more acceptable to you because they're intentionally trying to be edgy instead of embracing their comic book nature. I'm sorry you're embarrassed to be a comic book fan. Actually, no, I wouldn't go see Wolverine even if Marvel did make it. I'm just done with the character. I'm going to continue to vote him off the island with my wallet as much as I can regardless of what company makes his films. If Marvel made the film, I'd simply look up how it ties into the larger universe on Google. "Oh, but dark superhero movies is a big no no." This site needs an eye-roll smilie. So Bucky being tortured into an emotionless murder-machine with no will of his own for decades isn't dark as hell? I also saw Batman Returns as a child and found it lacking. As did many adults who saw it. You're kidding right? The Dark Knight films deals with fear, chaos, and pain. X-Men deals with racism, alienation, and other social issues. Being edgy has nothing to do with it. Your only argument on why the MCU movies are deeper is because they embrace the comic books. Do you even read comics? In the comics, Tony Stark struggles with alcoholism and Ultron is darker and more menacing. Elements that Marvel is too afraid to explore, because they don't want to turn off people like you.
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Post by brownstones on Feb 12, 2017 23:15:39 GMT
Letting slights go just opens you up to more. I learned that the hard way a long time ago. and how is that working for you here? if you've noticed you and dennis are acting exactly the same, and it's not like you're teaching him a lesson or he you, you're simply instigating one another. you think the dceu is stupidly pretentious and dennis thinks that the mcu is glib and safe. and?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 23:17:11 GMT
The Winter Soldier covered fear, chaos, and pain, and did it much, much better with villains with actual characters. X-Men is so typical in its themes as to be... typical. No, being edgy has everything to do with it. I question whether you're ever read the comics, and certainly question whether you're able to pick up on things like subtext. Ultron IS plenty dark and menacing in the film if you're willing to pay attention. "Elements Marvel is too afraid to explore?" God, this site needs an eye-roll icon. People like me? Good to know you're elitist as well as pretentious.
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