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Post by Skaathar on Mar 9, 2018 22:46:51 GMT
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Until we get more of the likes of Batgirl, Supergirl, Zatanna, Raven, Starfire, Batwoman, the Black Canary, the Huntress, Lady Blackhawk, Strix, Power Girl, Vixen, Hawkgirl, The Spoiler, Orphan, Catwoman, Black Orchid, Bluebird etc in the DCEU we don’t have female superheroes. And Sara is not a lesbian. She just slept with John Constantine a couple of weeks ago. I class myself as bisexual ‘cause even though I wouldn’t go back to guys if I were single I have dated and slept with men. Sara on the other hand clearly likes both and was dating Oliver in ‘Arrow.’ Marvel’s Runaways does have a lesbian superhero with Karolina Dean and we have all seen Karolina's scenes with Nico and if ‘Project 13’ still goes through it will be the first official DC show or movie to have a lesbian lead with Traci Thirteen but that is not the movies. Batwoman being in the movies would be historic and something many of us LGBT fans have been waiting to see.  There are female superheroes, just not a lot. There's a difference between saying there are "no female superheroes" and "there are few female superheroes". One is true, one is flat out false. |
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Post by syafiqjabar on Mar 10, 2018 1:37:36 GMT
Retiring Harley Quinn in movies must be one of the stupidest decisions anyone could make right now. Suicide Squad has only made her more popular among mainstream audiences, and Margot Robbie won both a Critic's Choice and People's Choice award for playing her.
Don't forget that on TV, Gotham might have the highest rating among comic book shows and Batman is not even really in that. Even if people is tired of Batman, the other characters are still interesting enough for their own stores. Harley Quinn has basically stopped being a villain or sidekick in recent years, she's an antihero with her own comics books.
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Post by northernlad on Mar 12, 2018 5:07:13 GMT
Yes...I'm over him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 7:11:44 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/world-43197774
Until we get more of the likes of Batgirl, Supergirl, Zatanna, Raven, Starfire, Batwoman, the Black Canary, the Huntress, Lady Blackhawk, Strix, Power Girl, Vixen, Hawkgirl, The Spoiler, Orphan, Catwoman, Black Orchid, Bluebird etc in the DCEU we don’t have female superheroes. And Sara is not a lesbian. She just slept with John Constantine a couple of weeks ago. I class myself as bisexual ‘cause even though I wouldn’t go back to guys if I were single I have dated and slept with men. Sara on the other hand clearly likes both and was dating Oliver in ‘Arrow.’ Marvel’s Runaways does have a lesbian superhero with Karolina Dean and we have all seen Karolina's scenes with Nico and if ‘Project 13’ still goes through it will be the first official DC show or movie to have a lesbian lead with Traci Thirteen but that is not the movies. Batwoman being in the movies would be historic and something many of us LGBT fans have been waiting to see. There are female superheroes, just not a lot. There's a difference between saying there are "no female superheroes" and "there are few female superheroes". One is true, one is flat out false.
There is one female superhero with Wonder Woman. One. Harley Quinn is a villain and unless 'Batgirl', 'Birds of Prey' and 'Gotham City Sirens' go through which I doubt they will since they were merely talked about to try and suck us into thinking they would make more female lead movies which we should already know Hollywood will never do and 'Wonder Woman' was one to "shut us up" '(just like 'Captain Marvel' is for Marvel) I doubt they will make more.  |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 18, 2018 15:36:39 GMT
There are female superheroes, just not a lot. There's a difference between saying there are "no female superheroes" and "there are few female superheroes". One is true, one is flat out false.
There is one female superhero with Wonder Woman. One. Harley Quinn is a villain and unless 'Batgirl', 'Birds of Prey' and 'Gotham City Sirens' go through which I doubt they will since they were merely talked about to try and suck us into thinking they would make more female lead movies which we should already know Hollywood will never do and 'Wonder Woman' was one to "shut us up" '(just like 'Captain Marvel' is for Marvel) I doubt they will make more. Wonder Woman, Elektra and Catwoman. Like I said, there are very few female-led movies. But there ARE female-led superhero movies. Then there's Supergirl and Jessica Jones on TV. I doubt it's about Hollywood blocking female movies and more about there being few marketable female heroes compared to male ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 7:17:28 GMT
There is one female superhero with Wonder Woman. One. Harley Quinn is a villain and unless 'Batgirl', 'Birds of Prey' and 'Gotham City Sirens' go through which I doubt they will since they were merely talked about to try and suck us into thinking they would make more female lead movies which we should already know Hollywood will never do and 'Wonder Woman' was one to "shut us up" '(just like 'Captain Marvel' is for Marvel) I doubt they will make more. Wonder Woman, Elektra and Catwoman. Like I said, there are very few female-led movies. But there ARE female-led superhero movies. Then there's Supergirl and Jessica Jones on TV. I doubt it's about Hollywood blocking female movies and more about there being few marketable female heroes compared to male ones.
It is only recently we are seeing a change in this ‘cause the dinosaurs are fading out and new blood is coming into positions of power with new female directors, producers and writers but whenever they wanted to have female characters in the role of a hero before writers and directors had to fight for it and literally go out of their way for it to happen and ‘Alien’ was meant to have a male lead but they fought for it to have a female lead which is why we got Ripley. When it comes to the comic book movie genre male characters have always been chosen first over female characters on the soul basis of their genre despite a number of female lead series being more successful and the fact there are movies of lesser known series like ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ but we have yet to have a movie of 'Witchblade' which sold over 100 million comic books worldwide and set up its own universe with spinoffs like 'The Darkness', 'Aphrodite IX', 'The Magdalena', 'The Angelus', 'The Necromancer', 'Artifacts', 'IXth Generation' etc helping put Image Comics on top not once but twice in the 90s and 00s which is something only very few superheroes have been able to do like Batman, Superman and Spider-Man is FLAT OUT sexism 'cause they make movies of all the biggest selling male lead series and overlook the biggest selling female series.
Witchblade, Hack/Slash, Darkchylde, Fathom, The Magdalena, Aphrodite IX, Soulfire, Shi, Lady Death, Warrior Nun Arela, Spider Woman, Saga, Rat Queens, Hellina, Danger Girl, Devi, Nancy In Hell, Wonderland, Avageleyne, Bitch Planet etc ALL had movies in development throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s that didn’t go through ‘cause the executives wouldn’t give female comic book series a chance on the big screen despite some of them having big names attached to them such as John Carpenter who was going to direct the ‘Darkchylde’ movie and called ‘Darkchylde’ one of the best Horror stories he had read and Ariel had the potential to become the most popular female character in a Horror movie. The Late Wes Craven called 'Hack/Slash' a masterpiece and wanted to make a movie of it and couldn't, Tobe Hooper wanted to make a 'Hack/Slash' movie and couldn't and the last ‘Witchblade’ movie had Angelina Jolie attached to it who was a fan of the series but didn't go through 'cause it had a female lead. A lot of comic book writers, directors, writers and producers have talked about and it was Ron Marz that said 'Witchblade' could sell over 100 billion comics and still not get a movie 'cause Hollywood hate strong women. Heck, Stan Lee called 'Witchblade' the greatest comic book series he didn't write and a number of Marvel writers praised the 'War of the Witchblades' storyline and paid tribute to the title with Ms Marvel's 'War of the Marvels.'
Right now we have 'Saga', 'Monstress', 'Paper Girls' and 'Rat Queens' winning heaps of awards and making the Guinness Book Of World Records for being the biggest selling new series of the past decade outselling anything new DC and Marvel have released in the past decade and journalists are calling 'Saga' the greatest comic book series ever written but do we get movies of them? No 'cause they don't have straight white males as leads and could be successful under the right people (which 'Hack/Slash' and 'Darkchylde' had with Wes Craven and John Carpenter) 'cause they don't want more successful female lead comic book movies. The fact of the matter is if 'Witchblade' were to have the same worldwide success it has had as a comic book series on the big screen it would easily beat both the DCEU and MCU like it already has with most of their comic book characters in comic book sales 'cause it would present a universe entirely different than DC and Marvel's standard superhero movies and something we have never seen on screen before but Hollywood's hatred of strong women has robbed us of having many female lead movies. To quote Ron Marz 
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Post by primeone on Mar 20, 2018 8:35:08 GMT
I’m willing to wait over a decade for Nightwing and Batgirl if anything. I rather a Batman trilogy first.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 20, 2018 18:14:09 GMT
Wonder Woman, Elektra and Catwoman. Like I said, there are very few female-led movies. But there ARE female-led superhero movies. Then there's Supergirl and Jessica Jones on TV. I doubt it's about Hollywood blocking female movies and more about there being few marketable female heroes compared to male ones.
It is only recently we are seeing a change in this ‘cause the dinosaurs are fading out and new blood is coming into positions of power with new female directors, producers and writers but whenever they wanted to have female characters in the role of a hero before writers and directors had to fight for it and literally go out of their way for it to happen and ‘Alien’ was meant to have a male lead but they fought for it to have a female lead which is why we got Ripley. When it comes to the comic book movie genre male characters have always been chosen first over female characters on the soul basis of their genre despite a number of female lead series being more successful and the fact there are movies of lesser known series like ‘Faust: Love of the Damned’ but we have yet to have a movie of 'Witchblade' which sold over 100 million comic books worldwide and set up its own universe with spinoffs like 'The Darkness', 'Aphrodite IX', 'The Magdalena', 'The Angelus', 'The Necromancer', 'Artifacts', 'IXth Generation' etc helping put Image Comics on top not once but twice in the 90s and 00s which is something only very few superheroes have been able to do like Batman, Superman and Spider-Man is FLAT OUT sexism 'cause they make movies of all the biggest selling male lead series and overlook the biggest selling female series.
Witchblade, Hack/Slash, Darkchylde, Fathom, The Magdalena, Aphrodite IX, Soulfire, Shi, Lady Death, Warrior Nun Arela, Spider Woman, Saga, Rat Queens, Hellina, Danger Girl, Devi, Nancy In Hell, Wonderland, Avageleyne, Bitch Planet etc ALL had movies in development throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s that didn’t go through ‘cause the executives wouldn’t give female comic book series a chance on the big screen despite some of them having big names attached to them such as John Carpenter who was going to direct the ‘Darkchylde’ movie and called ‘Darkchylde’ one of the best Horror stories he had read and Ariel had the potential to become the most popular female character in a Horror movie. The Late Wes Craven called 'Hack/Slash' a masterpiece and wanted to make a movie of it and couldn't, Tobe Hooper wanted to make a 'Hack/Slash' movie and couldn't and the last ‘Witchblade’ movie had Angelina Jolie attached to it who was a fan of the series but didn't go through 'cause it had a female lead. A lot of comic book writers, directors, writers and producers have talked about and it was Ron Marz that said 'Witchblade' could sell over 100 billion comics and still not get a movie 'cause Hollywood hate strong women. Heck, Stan Lee called 'Witchblade' the greatest comic book series he didn't write and a number of Marvel writers praised the 'War of the Witchblades' storyline and paid tribute to the title with Ms Marvel's 'War of the Marvels.'
Right now we have 'Saga', 'Monstress', 'Paper Girls' and 'Rat Queens' winning heaps of awards and making the Guinness Book Of World Records for being the biggest selling new series of the past decade outselling anything new DC and Marvel have released in the past decade and journalists are calling 'Saga' the greatest comic book series ever written but do we get movies of them? No 'cause they don't have straight white males as leads and could be successful under the right people (which 'Hack/Slash' and 'Darkchylde' had with Wes Craven and John Carpenter) 'cause they don't want more successful female lead comic book movies. The fact of the matter is if 'Witchblade' were to have the same worldwide success it has had as a comic book series on the big screen it would easily beat both the DCEU and MCU like it already has with most of their comic book characters in comic book sales 'cause it would present a universe entirely different than DC and Marvel's standard superhero movies and something we have never seen on screen before but Hollywood's hatred of strong women has robbed us of having many female lead movies. To quote Ron Marz
Heaps of marketable female-led comic books? Uhmm... I think you're confusing marketable with "potential to be marketable". I've never even heard of half of those titles you mentioned, and I have a decent background in comicbooks. The average moviegoer would be completely clueless about those titles you mentioned. Sure, Hollywood can still take a gamble and hope they can make an obscure comicbook into a successful movie (the MCU did it with GotG after all) but would you really expect Hollywood to risk making an obscure female-led superhero into a movie instead of just utilizing an already well-known male-led superhero into a movie? In the end, Hollywood is still a business, and a business will need to take their market into consideration. And fact of the matter is, majority of the audience for action movies, action-adventure movies, sci-fi movies and comicbooks are male. So it kinda makes sense that they'll make movies that are geared towards the greater market demand. And it's not as if Hollywood didn't try. They made a Supergirl movie a few years after Superman. That movie ended up with a lower rating and box office than any of the Superman movies. Then DC made a Catwoman movie... that also ended up with a lower BO and rating than any Batman movie. Marvel tried Elektra and that bombed worse than Daredevil. A whole bunch of other female-led action movies haven't done so well either: Aeon Flux, Blood Rayne, Columbiana, Salt, Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, etc. Granted there have been some that were successful: Wonder Woman, Alien, Resident Evil, Underworld for example... but can you really blame Hollywood for hesitating to push for a female-led movie when it has such a bad record? Don't get me wrong, I want there to be more female-led movies and I enjoy watching them. But you have to understand that Hollywood not wanting to create more of them is more due to a business decision than any sort of sexism on their part. After all, Hollywood has no issues producing a whole bunch of female-led romcoms. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 23, 2018 13:54:24 GMT
The golden age of anti-heroes has past. There was a time when dark, brooding, misunderstood heroes were all the craze: from Batman to Wolverine to TMNT Raphael and even most lately to Edward Cullen... However, that era seems to be ending. Now it's the realistic, in-touch-with-reality, personality-heavy type of heroes that are all the craze. What do Tony Stark, Peter Parker and Captain America have in common? They have tons of personality and aren't afraid to show it. They don't act like stoic superhero gods, they act like actual people who became superheroes. Why do you think Loki and Kilmonger and even Wonder Woman ended up being so loved? Because they were relateable, they had realistic personalities. They were "real". And so though I hate to say it, Batman and his ilk are now outdated, same way Superman was outdated. The problem here is that people nowadays care more about the man behind the mask than they do the costumed fighter. And unfortunately, Bruce Wayne is nowhere near as interesting as Batman. Batman is not an antihero. The Punisher is an antihero.Wolverine is, more so because of his past, is an antihero. Logan came out just last year it was wildly successful. The Punisher just got his own show in the little Netflix universe; which is in of itself dark and brooding. Jesus Christ, the Nolan trilogy is even that old and that was wildly successful. Judge Dredd, but was loved by audiences. You're dead wrong when you say that style has no place anymore. |
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Post by kuatorises on Mar 23, 2018 14:23:26 GMT
I’ve said this back when JL was released and I’ll say it again: Batman’s time in the sun has set. He’s done. There’s no reason to give him another movie at this point, and there’s even less reason to give movies to Batgirl, Nightwing, or Harley Quinn. DC should just give it up and retire the Batman part of the DC universe. That’s just my opinion anyway. What does everyone else think? I'm not sure how you can promote the idea of doing away with a franchise's most popular character – and everything connected to him – while wanting to create a shared cinematic universe. A DC universe without Batman? The character is overexposed, but completely doing away with him? That would be his people off more than what we already have in the DCEU. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 5:11:33 GMT
Heaps of marketable female-led comic books? Uhmm... I think you're confusing marketable with "potential to be marketable". I've never even heard of half of those titles you mentioned, and I have a decent background in comicbooks. The average moviegoer would be completely clueless about those titles you mentioned. Sure, Hollywood can still take a gamble and hope they can make an obscure comicbook into a successful movie (the MCU did it with GotG after all) but would you really expect Hollywood to risk making an obscure female-led superhero into a movie instead of just utilizing an already well-known male-led superhero into a movie? In the end, Hollywood is still a business, and a business will need to take their market into consideration. And fact of the matter is, majority of the audience for action movies, action-adventure movies, sci-fi movies and comicbooks are male. So it kinda makes sense that they'll make movies that are geared towards the greater market demand. And it's not as if Hollywood didn't try. They made a Supergirl movie a few years after Superman. That movie ended up with a lower rating and box office than any of the Superman movies. Then DC made a Catwoman movie... that also ended up with a lower BO and rating than any Batman movie. Marvel tried Elektra and that bombed worse than Daredevil. A whole bunch of other female-led action movies haven't done so well either: Aeon Flux, Blood Rayne, Columbiana, Salt, Atomic Blonde, Red Sparrow, etc. Granted there have been some that were successful: Wonder Woman, Alien, Resident Evil, Underworld for example... but can you really blame Hollywood for hesitating to push for a female-led movie when it has such a bad record? Don't get me wrong, I want there to be more female-led movies and I enjoy watching them. But you have to understand that Hollywood not wanting to create more of them is more due to a business decision than any sort of sexism on their part. After all, Hollywood has no issues producing a whole bunch of female-led romcoms.
Hollywood doesn’t care if the titles are well known to general audiences. They have proven that with hundreds of adaptions of lesser known titles and before the MCU came along names like ‘Iron Man’, ‘Thor’, ‘Black Widow’, ‘Hawkeye’, ‘Ant Man’ ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’, ‘Black Panther’, ‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ etc were all lesser known than ‘Sabrina the Teenage Witch.’ Recent statistics have shown that 52 percent of the move audiences are female, female lead movies like ‘The Hunger Games’ and ‘Wonder Woman’ drew a larger female audience than any superhero movies that had male leads but yet we have LOWER female representation in movies than we did back in the 30s and the majority of female roles are either love interests to male characters, sexual conquests to male characters and side characters to male characters and a lot of them don’t even get to speak and when they do it is only conversations about the male character and not about themselves or each other.
Salt is generally viewed a success after making $293.5 million worldwide at the box office, receiving a lot of positive reviews and winning awards including ‘Action/ Adventure movie of the year.’ There is a sequel in development now but it was put on hold after Angelina Jolie dropped out. ‘Red Sparrow' is just like Tanya Roberts' 'Sheena' and is made with the intentions of getting Jennifer Lawrence naked and that is all it has been promoted as. ‘Atomic Blonde’ was never overly successful female lead comic book series compared to bigger names and shouldn’t have had a movies before ‘Witchblade’, ‘Hack/Slash’, ‘Fathom’, 'Monstress' or ‘Saga.’ It says a lot about Hollywood’s choice of movies and poor writing when there are female lead Action, Thriller and Sci Fi novels that are outselling a number of the movies they are making.  blog.womenandhollywood.com/mpaa-report-2016-52-of-movie-audiences-are-women-other-takeaways-12320da989b4www.indiewire.com/2014/03/mpaa-data-shows-that-women-are-still-the-majority-of-moviegoers-207223/
news.avclub.com/women-still-make-up-the-majority-of-moviegoers-prefer-1798267282
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Post by HorrorMetal on May 15, 2018 15:08:24 GMT
Hell to the no!
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