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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 6:21:33 GMT
The Flash Adding a New Female Speedster – But Who?screenrant.com/flash-tv-female-speedster-earth-3/It sounds like it is going to be Liberty Belle but she won't be Jessie Quick's Mother like she is in the comic books or she will be the Earth 3 younger version of Jessie Quick's Mother like Jay Garrick is the Earth 3 version of Barry's dad.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 8, 2018 6:39:24 GMT
Seems likely that be the mystery woman at Barry and Iris'; and has been hanging out at Jitters. My guess would be Barry and Iris'daughter from the future, dent back in time to train with Jay. Maybe they'll call her Impulse
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Post by dazz on Mar 8, 2018 6:47:53 GMT
It sounds like it is going to be Liberty Belle but she won't be Jessie Quick's Mother like she is in the comic books or she will be the Earth 3 younger version of Jessie Quick's Mother like Jay Garrick is the Earth 3 version of Barry's dad.
That would make sense with the subplot of the episode being about Harry & Jesse with Harry being unable o move past his wife's death, if the new speedster was some version of his wife and her mother it would make sense for that plotline being introduced in this episode, otherwise it's sort of like why did you waste that story in this episode? you know it's a solid storyline that could run through multiple episodes or be the main story of an episode to give Grant and the other main cast either a few days off as they serve a secondary reduced role or get a head start on another episode to give them more time between filming and airing to shore up the effects and stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 6:56:49 GMT
It sounds like it is going to be Liberty Belle but she won't be Jessie Quick's Mother like she is in the comic books or she will be the Earth 3 younger version of Jessie Quick's Mother like Jay Garrick is the Earth 3 version of Barry's dad.
That would make sense with the subplot of the episode being about Harry & Jesse with Harry being unable o move past his wife's death, if the new speedster was some version of his wife and her mother it would make sense for that plotline being introduced in this episode, otherwise it's sort of like why did you waste that story in this episode? you know it's a solid storyline that could run through multiple episodes or be the main story of an episode to give Grant and the other main cast either a few days off as they serve a secondary reduced role or get a head start on another episode to give them more time between filming and airing to shore up the effects and stuff. I haven't seen the latest episode of the Flash yet (we have it in our IQ and are going to watch that tonight) but I did read about that and somebody mentioned on another site Liberty Belle would be fitting after the events of the episode and when you look at DC Liberty Belle is DC's biggest female speedster apart from Jessie Quick and was a member of the JSA for a lot of years so I think it would make sense to have her appear. It could be the mysterious character stargazer1682 mentioned above who is believed to be Barry and Iris' daughter but it sounds like it is a character that hasn't appeared on the show before and it has to do with Earth 3 which another version of Jessie's Mother and Harry's Wife could exist on and that episode could have been the set up for it. I guess we will just have to wait and see but I would love to see Liberty Belle.
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Post by dazz on Mar 8, 2018 7:13:11 GMT
That would make sense with the subplot of the episode being about Harry & Jesse with Harry being unable o move past his wife's death, if the new speedster was some version of his wife and her mother it would make sense for that plotline being introduced in this episode, otherwise it's sort of like why did you waste that story in this episode? you know it's a solid storyline that could run through multiple episodes or be the main story of an episode to give Grant and the other main cast either a few days off as they serve a secondary reduced role or get a head start on another episode to give them more time between filming and airing to shore up the effects and stuff. I haven't seen the latest episode of the Flash yet (we have it in our IQ and are going to watch that tonight) but I did read about that and somebody mentioned on another site Liberty Belle would be fitting after the events of the episode and when you look at DC Liberty Belle is DC's biggest female speedster apart from Jessie Quick and was a member of the JSA for a lot of years so I think it would make sense to have her appear. It could be the mysterious character stargazer1682 mentioned above who is believed to be Barry and Iris' daughter but it sounds like it is a character that hasn't appeared on the show before and it has to do with Earth 3 which another version of Jessie's Mother and Harry's Wife could exist on and that episode could have been the set up for it. I guess we will just have to wait and see but I would love to see Liberty Belle. I don't think it's going to be the coffee shop girl as she's not been set up like that's where their going with it, and how would Jay know about her anyway? Liberty Belle makes the most sense as it justifies Harry's place on the team this season, justifies his exit maybe at the end of it, and allows for maybe a new version of Well's to come into the show next season where I'm hoping CSG has a greater role and maybe has a Well's of her own she brings around.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 8, 2018 14:01:28 GMT
He would know about her if a future version of Barry contacted him about training his daughter. I mean, how would Jay know he's going to find and train a new female speedster if he hasn't found or met one yet? The whole scene at the end of the episode seemed, to me, to be a bit of a paradox; where coffee shop girl says she's supposed to be there to me some people, and when Caitlin says she hopes it goes well, CSG says under her breath that it just did. It could be Liberty Belle, but I kind of feel like Harry and Jesse's story this week was more about exploring the dynamic of their relationship that's already been setup; particularly why he was kicked off her team at the beginning of the season, and why he's been so prickly. Mind you, if it is just that, it would have been better served to have seen more of Jesse, to flesh all that out more, and build to that moment, but let's be honest, they don't put that kind of effort or forethought into these stories anymore. And given the other opportunities they had to bring Jesse back sooner and seemed to go out of their way not to, might suggest some logistical issues doing something more in-depth anyway.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 9, 2018 14:50:38 GMT
Well they said they wouldn't add any more speedster villains. They said nothing about speedster heroes. Though I am kinda getting tired of them because I think it somewhat takes away from Barry's uniqueness. Like all the archers, good and bad on Arrow, take away from what makes Oliver special.
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Post by dazz on Mar 9, 2018 15:30:59 GMT
Well they said they wouldn't add any more speedster villains. They said nothing about speedster heroes. Though I am kinda getting tired of them because I think it somewhat takes away from Barry's uniqueness. Like all the archers, good and bad on Arrow, take away from what makes Oliver special. That's just because they do a poor job in differentiating between the characters skills, I always said they should have given Wally & Barry different strengths, like in Mario Karts different types of characters have different stats, the lighter characters are quicker out of the gate have lower ceiling of speed with stronger turning skills, whilst middle weight characters are all around good but not great and the heavies are slow to max out but have the highest top speed with poor handling but can bash other drivers out of the way a lot.
Wally should have been faster over small distances but generally slower with harder time at vibrating through things, but maybe he should have had a natural affinity to the SF where he can slip in and out of it and time travel easily without causing ripple effects like Barry does, Jesse could be more like Barry but slower and have a knack for using her lightning or be instinctive with how she uses her speed unlike Barry who often needs to think about how he uses them, the archers should be the same, Thea should be an exceptional marksman but slower at firing and less inclined with QCC, Roy should have had a preference for trick arrows that disarm enemies and a preference for brawling where as Oliver was the overall best but he's more basic in his preferences and versatile in how he attacks a situation.
You know it doesn't take much to set these traits up and means you have ways to spotlight the characters when desired naturally instead of having to sideline the main character to do so.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 9, 2018 20:08:10 GMT
I like the ideas you came up with. We should put you in charge because you take the time to think of these things instead of being lazy and uninspired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 12:54:40 GMT
I like the ideas you came up with. We should put you in charge because you take the time to think of these things instead of being lazy and uninspired. Dazz does come up with some good ideas and his posts are always very informative. I enjoy hearing his thoughts on things but I think at this point a lot of people would be better at running these shows than the people in charge of them now. They occasionally have some good moments which is what keeps a lot of us watching but they have made so many bad mistakes over the years and Season 4 of 'Arrow' will always be the best of example of that and what happens when a show listens too much to their extreme fans. I am glad they acknowledged when they made a mistake with that though and Stephen Amell had the guts to say something a lot of actors in his position would have been afraid to say in case they were fired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 13:00:40 GMT
I haven't seen the latest episode of the Flash yet (we have it in our IQ and are going to watch that tonight) but I did read about that and somebody mentioned on another site Liberty Belle would be fitting after the events of the episode and when you look at DC Liberty Belle is DC's biggest female speedster apart from Jessie Quick and was a member of the JSA for a lot of years so I think it would make sense to have her appear. It could be the mysterious character stargazer1682 mentioned above who is believed to be Barry and Iris' daughter but it sounds like it is a character that hasn't appeared on the show before and it has to do with Earth 3 which another version of Jessie's Mother and Harry's Wife could exist on and that episode could have been the set up for it. I guess we will just have to wait and see but I would love to see Liberty Belle. I don't think it's going to be the coffee shop girl as she's not been set up like that's where their going with it, and how would Jay know about her anyway? Liberty Belle makes the most sense as it justifies Harry's place on the team this season, justifies his exit maybe at the end of it, and allows for maybe a new version of Well's to come into the show next season where I'm hoping CSG has a greater role and maybe has a Well's of her own she brings around.
If they get rid of Harry and have a new version of Harrison Wells what type of version would you like to see next? I wouldn't mind seeing the original Earth One version of Harrison Wells that the Reverse Flash killed and stole his identity 'cause that Wells seemed to be really smart and it would be fun seeing Barry with the Wells who was really his idol but I am not sure if they could bring him back into it since I thought getting rid of Eddie would have brought him back but it didn't. I might be forgetting something here but since the events of Season 1 were wiped out what happened to the original Wells in the current timeline and why didn't killing Eddie bring back Barry's Mother since he shouldn't have been alive to kill her?
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Post by dazz on Mar 10, 2018 14:29:50 GMT
The way they handled it is what happens in this timeline remains because if RF doesn't exist he doesn't come back and kill nora, so Barry grows up as he was meant to Eddie doesn't need to kill himself and RF does exist which leads to him killing Nora in an endless loop, so basically anything RF did remains unchanged and we got no OG Wells.
I always liked the DBZ method of time travel, what you change in the past only changes that timeline it doesn't change yours, so by saving the world in the past all Trunks does is save those versions of the people he knows, but he can learn and grow in the past so he can stop his enemies and save his worlds future, explains why hoping into a time machine doesn't just magically fix all your bullshit just some of it.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 10, 2018 17:33:16 GMT
The way they handled it is what happens in this timeline remains because if RF doesn't exist he doesn't come back and kill nora, so Barry grows up as he was meant to Eddie doesn't need to kill himself and RF does exist which leads to him killing Nora in an endless loop, so basically anything RF did remains unchanged and we got no OG Wells. I always liked the DBZ method of time travel, what you change in the past only changes that timeline it doesn't change yours, so by saving the world in the past all Trunks does is save those versions of the people he knows, but he can learn and grow in the past so he can stop his enemies and save his worlds future, explains why hoping into a time machine doesn't just magically fix all your bullshit just some of it. They've made it into a real cluster fuck to be sure. Season 1 still remains, but it shouldn't on account of Eobard's disappearance; yet according to Crisis on Earth-X, he didn't really disappear after all, which is bullshit. For fiction, I prefer causality over the many worlds theory. Separate parallel realities are fine, if they were always self-contained; as they're fun glimpses into what might have been, and I was a huge fan of Sliders. But in terms of time travel, again as a story device, there needs to be an imperative. There need to be consequences. Edith Keeler can live happily ever after with James Kirk if there is no cause and effect to time travel. Sam Beckett's journey through time is an exercise in futility if somewhere the people he's helping remain suffering. Marty McFly can do whatever he wants in 1955; and for that matter, there's no reason not to let Biff play happy go lucky gangster in some pocket timeline, if everything is as it should be elsewhere. If Doc can work out how to travel through time, then it shouldn't be a stretch to navigate the different variations of time if they coexist. And by not finding a way back to the timeline Marty or any other time traveler originated from, suddenly that person just goes missing, never to return. Somewhere in the shitty Twin-Pines timeline, Marty's parents desperately look for their son, who just vanished from the face of the Earth; leaving only the dead bodies of Doc Brown and some terrorists in a parking lot mall, but no sign of Marty anywhere at all in the world and timeline that he came from, it it were to still exist. My main problem with LoT is that their entire (curtain) premise is to maintain a status quo, no matter what that means to people they meet who may be in dire straights. They can't help anyone, which is contradictory to them being heroes. And so instead we're left with the arcs just being them chasing after one big bad after another, and time travel is just a backdrop and excuse to put the actors into funny period clothes. The Flash came really close to a solid concept with the "time remnants" when Eobard appears in "Return of the Reverse Flash". This being a younger version of the character, and also the idea that this segmented being, who now only exists in pockets of time where history requires his existence was very intriguing. He literally appears from nowhere and similarly goes back to a state of non-existence when he leaves, because the future he came from and returns to simply doesn't exist - but that moment, the entire episode, has to happen; and it has to play out close enough to how it all played out before, for the integrity of time and how it has come to be shaped. So that more or less explained why season 1 and everything that took place linearly before still happened, in spite of Eobard being erased. And then they twisted the time remnant idea into something else; something more convoluted with Hunter and later Barry creating duplicates of themselves. Then pre-season 1 Eobard runs off after Flashpoint, seemingly not returning to the point in time he needed to, to become Wells; inexplicably joining the "Legion" instead, and being zapped by Hunter at the end... And then post-season 1 Eobard is somehow alive and hiding out on Earth-X.... No attempt to explain anything. It's just dumb. Post-Flashpoint would have been the perfect opportunity to reconcile some of this, by making it a timeline where Eddie lived and consequently Eobard exists - the Post-Flashpoint timeline would be the timeline Eobard came from originally; and the paradox he creates by killing Nora Allen would be his version of Flashpoint, creating the timeline that creates the Flash, who creates the timeline that creates the Reverse Flash. They become the only two fixed beings in time, because their lives are an entangled paradox; no other timeline alternates for either would or could ever exist. And then Eddie should have been Savitar.
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Post by dazz on Mar 10, 2018 17:55:32 GMT
Imo S1 the time travel stuff with Flash was fine but after that they just kept dicking with shit, and itr made less sense every time, the idea that time travel only works to benefit/impact the traveller works because it's only by returning from the past that they can enjoy their tampering's, and the idea that once changed it's far harder to set things right than you think because every intrusion in the past creates a new variable no matter how small unless you time it perfectly, as such Barry simply saving Nora from being stabbed wouldn't come close to "fixing" the timeline because he mother still had to get attacked by Thawne which she is not meant to go through wither way, the way to reset the timeline as best as he could would be stopping Thawne the moment he exited the speedforce and the 2 Flash's incapacitate him before he alters the Allen's lives at all.
I like the multiple timeline thing myself as it means everything that happened happens and is still "real" and Barry is now just living in a different timeline, which does pose 2 issues, 1: Barry's just jacked another Barry's life which is dickish, 2: He's left his timeline without a Flash also dickish, but I also absolves him to an extent of the changes, what he did simply put him on a different path or timeline, in the whole scheme of things this varisation was always going to happen only difference is this Barry isn't the Barry who lived through it all.
Eobard in S2 was idiotic imo because the premise was stupid from the get go, how could RF meeting Barry as The Flash in 2015 have to have happened if in the original timeline that Thawwne is from Barry doesn't become Flash until 2020, once you notice that the entire premise of the episode is fucking moronic, just by being there if RF had to go back should alter history, and if he simply vanishes once he re-enters the SF then what harm does holding him do, either he's immaterial so fuck it or any alteration to the natural first meeting will fuck up history in which case oops too fucking late...sorry this ep bothered me the moment I saw it and it drives me a bit batty.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 10, 2018 18:18:25 GMT
See, I've never ascribed to the idea that Barry didn't become the Flash until 2020. I don't recall anyone on the show ever saying that. Instead, Eobard says Star Labs wouldn't have been built until 2020. We have little knowledge of the circumstances of the timeline Eobard came from, or how Barry got his powers then, but just because Barry got his powers from a meltdown of a particle accelerator in this new timeline that Eobard created, it doesn't mean that Barry would have gotten them the same way under other circumstances. As it is, we've seen metas receive their powers through different circumstances, like Jesse and Wally, the people on the bus, season 2 when Barry lost his powers and Harry restored them; plus there was at least one villain in either season 1 or 2, who was a Meta, but wasn't in Central City during the meltdown, and they just sort of left a dangling plot thread of how they got their powers.
The only thing Barry absolutely needed was the lightning, the dark matter and if I'm recalling correctly when they reproduced the accident, an assortment of chemicals. Harrison Wells was able to do all that intentionally without causing a reactor meltdown, but Eobard Thawne could leave no margin for error; he needed the Flash to exist, and he needed at a specific point in time. So he floods the city with dark matter, but the only way to do that is by melting down a paricle accelerator. He doesn't have one, and one won't be built by the time he needs the Flash to exist by, so he steals Harrison Wells' life to build one to his schedule. And why does he need The Flash to come into being before 2020? Because when went back in time and learned when the Flash lived, he arrived much earlier than 2020; and he needed those events to line up again.
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Post by dazz on Mar 10, 2018 19:52:44 GMT
Well Jesse & Barry the 2nd time got their powers from a controlled accelerator meltdown, Zoom got his powers from the PA explosion also, the only one I'm not sure about is Wally during Flashpoint but then if not a PA explosion then what feasibly in the same world with the same level of tech create not only a speedster but a whole city of metahumans also?
Plus if the PA was not required but Barry was destined to become the Flash by 2015 why did Eobard kill Well's? only purpose would be to get back faster but only upped the timetable by a fraction, what was the point of all that effort the years of meticulous planning and scheming just to turn Barry into the Flash a few months earlier? especially given how his speed would short out on him meaning at any point he could have been exposed and he would be fucked.
Maybe Barry got his speed earlier than 2020 but he obviously didn't get them in time for RF to have met him when he did or else RF wouldn't have gone through the effort, especially as his plan in S1 was to make Barry fast enough to time travel and accelerate his learning, doing this doesn't make sense if he knew the other him was going to find Flash and Flash would be fast enough to beat him possibly also kill him, it's just another case of shoddy writing imo.
The thing is though they could have used this as an actually interesting point to give Cisco either a underlying power where it wasn't the alteration to the timeline that hurt Cisco but the proximity of RF who didn't belong in their time, give Cisco this useful but deadly ability to sense aberrations to the timeline, which could have played into Savitar or even Barry's assimilation to the new post Flashpoint timeline.
I stand by what I said post S1 the time travel shit just got too fucked up, nothing makes sense and elements they established one time are gone the next, like why didn't Barry merge with the timeline properly and forget the past timeline like he was going to in Flashpoint? There's an easy and obvious answer which is cause the speedforce but they never said anything about it as far as I recall so it just seems like a careless bit of storytelling, one thing is they could excuse a lot of the shit with Devoe though, have him be the reason why the stupid shit with time travel makes no sense, he's been manipulating things behind the scenes because he doesn't want things to revert to as they were or have a talking cheat sheet in Thawne around to spill the beans on his existence and so on.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 10, 2018 21:29:44 GMT
Plus if the PA was not required but Barry was destined to become the Flash by 2015 why did Eobard kill Well's? To make it happen. By killing Nora, he create a timeline where Barry would not become The Flash, which was what Eobard wanted; until it became evident that he needed Barry to become Flash for his own benefit. Then his new mission became to realign Barry's path to become Flash. A few months earlier than what? Again, unless Eobard needed to, because if he didn't, Barry wouldn't become the Flash at all in this new timeline of Eobard's creation. Eobard's major point of reference as to whether or not his plan was working was the article from the future showing the Flash's ultimate disappearance. When Barry lost his powers in season 1 and the article changed to say "the crisis" was still on going, and Gideon reported that there were no historical references to the Flash ever existed, suggesting Barry's loss of powers would have been permanent without intervention, it ran against Eobard's plans and he had to use his knowledge of this to change the projected future. By the time they got to Flashpoint, any semblance of reasoning or governor rules for time travel had gone out the window. More than any of the others, I think the setup of this season's story, and the metas created by Barry exiting the Speed Force demonstrates there are other ways dark matter could be introduced and produce metahumans; as well as whoever the meta was, who wasn't present during the original meltdown (I can't remember the character or episode). Dark matter has been the key conceit in the Arrow-verse for metahuman abilities, and a controlled meltdown of a particle accelerator happened to be the most effective way to cause it to happen intentionally, but isn't strictly the only way for it to happen. Eobard couldn't rely on happenstance, he needed to create the necessary set of circumstances at the appropriate time. Too soon, and Flash might become too powerful too soon; too late is... well, too late.
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Post by dazz on Mar 11, 2018 14:11:34 GMT
Except Eobard was clearly trying to recreate the situation atleast for Barry to become the Flash, ur theory is a reach Barry always became the Flash due to a specific set of parameters ones that could be replicated, and given the setup shown in S1 of The Flash the most likely scenario is Eobard upped the timetable of when Barry becomes The Flash because he needs him to become The Flash and go back in time so Eobard can also use the opportunity to go home again.
Your theory goes out the window when Barry doesn't allow Eobard to go back and so Eobard is willing to kill Barry and everyone else in response, it just doesn't make sense IF meeting a earlier version of Thawne is a necessity to his timeline, by killing Barry then he alters his own destiny and there by negates his life from that moment on and so on.
Far more likely and reasonable given the writers have never had any clue how to handle time travel after S1 that the younger version of Thawne meeting the team is just a fuck up in the writing, because they do this all the time.
If turning Barry into the Flash is all he needed then why did Thawne stick around after the PA blew up? he could fake his death and just wait things out, if all his actions were to force the realignment as best he could manage of the timeline then once Barry becomes The Flash Eobard shouldn't need to be goading him to get faster.
Also why was returning Thawne so important surely keeping him would simply reset the loop right? we get a timeline without Thawne's interference which results in Barry getting his powers normally and his mother being alive, which if was meant to happen to roughly the same timetable as we got in the show what was the point of it all? why not allow it too happen? It's just bad writing imo.
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Post by General Kenobi on Mar 11, 2018 23:39:37 GMT
Downright amateurish writing if you ask me.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Mar 12, 2018 1:54:06 GMT
Except Eobard was clearly trying to recreate the situation atleast for Barry to become the Flash, ur theory is a reach Barry always became the Flash due to a specific set of parameters ones that could be replicated, and given the setup shown in S1 of The Flash the most likely scenario is Eobard upped the timetable of when Barry becomes The Flash because he needs him to become The Flash and go back in time so Eobard can also use the opportunity to go home again. Your theory goes out the window when Barry doesn't allow Eobard to go back and so Eobard is willing to kill Barry and everyone else in response, it just doesn't make sense IF meeting a earlier version of Thawne is a necessity to his timeline, by killing Barry then he alters his own destiny and there by negates his life from that moment on and so on. Far more likely and reasonable given the writers have never had any clue how to handle time travel after S1 that the younger version of Thawne meeting the team is just a fuck up in the writing, because they do this all the time. If turning Barry into the Flash is all he needed then why did Thawne stick around after the PA blew up? he could fake his death and just wait things out, if all his actions were to force the realignment as best he could manage of the timeline then once Barry becomes The Flash Eobard shouldn't need to be goading him to get faster. Also why was returning Thawne so important surely keeping him would simply reset the loop right? we get a timeline without Thawne's interference which results in Barry getting his powers normally and his mother being alive, which if was meant to happen to roughly the same timetable as we got in the show what was the point of it all? why not allow it too happen? It's just bad writing imo. I'm not following how my theory is a reach, and I'm not sure we're on the same page on what I'm saying either. Eobard pretty much explains it all in this clip from season 1: The fact that a younger Eobard Thawne came back in time to 2016 and was the pivotal moment in Eobard's life where he discovered when the Flash was from, supports the idea that Flash always became the Flash prior to 2020, but isn't the reason Thawne did anything. Clearly Eobard doesn't give a toss whether or not he personally makes radical changes to history, if they suit his purposes; he even says in this clip that his entire intention of going back in time the last time was to kill Barry as a child, and in lieu of that, killing his mother and returning to a future where there was never a Flash. But then as consequence of those actions he loses his powers, and then needs the Flash in order to get back. He needed Barry fast enough, which is why couldn't just walk away; Barry needed proper training and guidance. And Thawne needed to ensure things didn't get detailed, as is what would have happened when Barry lost his powers in season 1 and the predicted future showed no indication of there ever being a Flash. As for the timing, why make Barry into the Flash when he did, as opposed to in 2020 when the accelerator would have been built regardless, when Thawne had to wait 15 years as it was; arguably the simplest answer was that his best hope for success was to as closely approximate the original sequence of events as possible. There was already a vast level of uncertainty involved as it was; why take any unnecessary chances by making him the Flash too soon or too late? And when Thawne killed the real Wells, he says that Wells and his wife created a successful accelerator, which changes the course of history. I don't know about you, but a particle accelerator that had a meltdown doesn't strike me as something that history would describe as "successful".... But seriously, how good was season 1...?
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