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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 14, 2018 17:58:57 GMT
Captain America: Civil Skirmish
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Post by scabab on Mar 14, 2018 18:42:19 GMT
Captain America: Civil War should have been renamed Avengers: Civil War. They probably lost out on a couple hundred million from that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 19:18:25 GMT
Captain America: Civil Skirmish Captain America: We're not going to kill everyone, deal with it. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 19:44:56 GMT
Captain America: Revenge of the Winter Soldier (we are not ripping off Star Wars).
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 19:55:49 GMT
Captain America: Revenge of the Winter Soldier (we are not ripping off Star Wars). Eh, Star Wars owes Marvel anyways. Even if this were true. |
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Post by Daisy on Mar 14, 2018 20:07:56 GMT
Captain America: Civil War should have been renamed Avengers: Civil War. They probably lost out on a couple hundred million from that. No way. It was absolutely Cap's story. In The Avengers movie, Loki and Ultron were known to be the thread from almost the very beginning. They were both a physical threat and had an army. Zemo wasn't known to be involved until late, wasn't much of a physical threat, didn't have an army. Plus, check the screen time! Captain America- 36 Iron Man- 33:45 Winter Soldier- 21 Widow- 11:45 Falcon- 10:30 T'Challa- 10:15 Scarlet Witch- 10 Zemo- 9:15 Spider-Man- 8:30 Vision- 7:15 War Machine- 6 Hawkeye- 4:45 Ant-Man- 4:45 |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 20:10:02 GMT
Captain America: Revenge of the Winter Soldier (we are not ripping off Star Wars). Eh, Star Wars owes Marvel anyways. Even if this were true. Lol, I wish that were so. You mean Disney owns both. And that was my initial subtitle: "it's not a rip off when Disney owns both". And not true? - Good Republic, eh sorry, Shield, is infiltrated by dark side Sith, eh, Hydra. - They suddenly Order 66, eh turn, against the heros. A purge ensues. - Mace Windu, eh, Sam Jackson, eh Nick Fury is assassinated (in SW he has the decency to stay dead). - Anakin Vader, eh, Bucky Soldier is brainwashed to evil by some dark Force/Lord and wears some mask as executioner of evil. - His mentor, eh friend, eh son tries to redeem him. They fight endlessly. - Bucky Vader turns to the light side.... It's not legally close enough to be plagiarism, but it's close enough to be recognizable. Trust your feelings, you know it to be true. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 20:18:25 GMT
Captain America: Civil War should have been renamed Avengers: Civil War. They probably lost out on a couple hundred million from that. No way. It was absolutely Cap's story. In The Avengers movie, Loki and Ultron were known to be the thread from almost the very beginning. They were both a physical threat and had an army. Zemo wasn't known to be involved until late, wasn't much of a physical threat, didn't have an army. Plus, check the screen time! Captain America- 36 Iron Man- 33:45 Winter Soldier- 21 Widow- 11:45 Falcon- 10:30 T'Challa- 10:15 Scarlet Witch- 10 Zemo- 9:15 Spider-Man- 8:30 Vision- 7:15 War Machine- 6 Hawkeye- 4:45 Ant-Man- 4:45 this does not make sense on any level. You should check what "absolutely" means. If this was Caps final film in his trilogy : -Where was his Nemeses from 1 and 2: Hydra, where was the resolution of this own story arc? - Why were there origin stories for Spiderboy and Panther? - Why was the mommy-issue storyline and all the happy family flashbacks about Iron Man and his family woes? Because it was not Cap's story but he was just a small part of it. Oh, and only a Sith deals in absolutes, btw. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 20:26:59 GMT
Eh, Star Wars owes Marvel anyways. Even if this were true. Lol, I wish that were so. You mean Disney owns both. No, I mean Lucas was influenced from stuff from comics when he came out with Star Wars. Marvel included. Vader is based on Dr Doom and Iron Man, for example. And stuff about heroes being brainwashed and forced to fight until they get redeemed predate Star Wars by quite a bit. |
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Post by charzhino on Mar 14, 2018 20:28:14 GMT
Captain America: Civil Pillowfight
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 20:29:01 GMT
No way. It was absolutely Cap's story. In The Avengers movie, Loki and Ultron were known to be the thread from almost the very beginning. They were both a physical threat and had an army. Zemo wasn't known to be involved until late, wasn't much of a physical threat, didn't have an army. Plus, check the screen time! Captain America- 36 Iron Man- 33:45 Winter Soldier- 21 Widow- 11:45 Falcon- 10:30 T'Challa- 10:15 Scarlet Witch- 10 Zemo- 9:15 Spider-Man- 8:30 Vision- 7:15 War Machine- 6 Hawkeye- 4:45 Ant-Man- 4:45 this does not make sense on any level. You should check what "absolutely" means. If this was Caps final film in his trilogy : -Where was his Nemeses from 1 and 2: Hydra, where was the resolution of this own story arc? - Why were there origin stories for Spiderboy and Panther? - Why was the mommy-issue storyline and all the happy family flashbacks about Iron Man and his family woes? Because it was not Cap's story but he was just a small part of it. Oh, and only a Sith deals in absolutes, btw. 1) You're being too petty and small-minded again. A shared Universe where everything influences everything else means you don't need to be as self-contained as you think they should be. There's no need for Hydra to be the villain in Cap 3 when they're a villain for the MCU as a whole. 2) Their own movies. You can introduce someone without giving us the life story. That's how a Shared Universe works. 3) Because Iron Man was part of the greater storyline. It's not some closed circle thing. It's how a Shared Universe works. You gotta let go of your outdated, constricted views on things. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 14, 2018 20:34:23 GMT
Captain America: Civil Pillowfight Captain America: Sidekick Gets Hurt, Actually He’s Ok |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 20:37:24 GMT
Lol, I wish that were so. You mean Disney owns both. No, I mean Lucas was influenced from stuff from comics when he came out with Star Wars. Marvel included. Vader is based on Dr Doom and Iron Man, for example. Lol, I highly doubt that beyond any reasonable doubt. Lucas is an intellectual, ideas man and business man. He studies myth, religion and history, not Marvel comics. But if that were so: - Lucas disclosed his inspiration for the saga. Marvel was not amongst them. Prove otherwise. - Further, provide proof that the plot points above were parts of Marvel comics before the saga: Order 66 purge to the redemption of the villain. - And were was it ever stated that Vader is based on Dr Doom and Iron Man...? That is so laughable it is close to heresy - you just made that up on the fly again in the vain hope that I would not ask for evidence - which I just did! |
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Post by Daisy on Mar 14, 2018 20:43:22 GMT
No way. It was absolutely Cap's story. In The Avengers movie, Loki and Ultron were known to be the thread from almost the very beginning. They were both a physical threat and had an army. Zemo wasn't known to be involved until late, wasn't much of a physical threat, didn't have an army. Plus, check the screen time! Captain America- 36 Iron Man- 33:45 Winter Soldier- 21 Widow- 11:45 Falcon- 10:30 T'Challa- 10:15 Scarlet Witch- 10 Zemo- 9:15 Spider-Man- 8:30 Vision- 7:15 War Machine- 6 Hawkeye- 4:45 Ant-Man- 4:45 this does not make sense on any level. You should check what "absolutely" means. If this was Caps final film in his trilogy : -Where was his Nemeses from 1 and 2: Hydra, where was the resolution of this own story arc? - Why were there origin stories for Spiderboy and Panther? - Why was the mommy-issue storyline and all the happy family flashbacks about Iron Man and his family woes? Because it was not Cap's story but he was just a small part of it. Oh, and only a Sith deals in absolutes, btw. 'Where was HYDRA?'? Who do you think they were fighting at the beginning? That was HYDRA. Crossbones blowing up and killing people was the last straw, and the catalyst for the Sokovia Accords. Who brainwashed Bucky in the first place? HYDRA. T'Challa and Peter didn't have origin stories as much as they had brief introductions. Peter was already Spider-Man by this point. T'Challa was already Black Panther... although you might make the argument that he only became Black Panther after the Vienna explosion, but that would mean he flew home to get the suit and some heart-shaped herb before going to Romania for Bucky...hmmm, kind of doubt it. The 'mommy-issue storyline' established how Tony could be emotionally manipulated by Zemo. In this instance Zemo can be thought of as the Big Bad and Tony becomes his Dragon. As great a saying as 'Only the Sith deal in absolutes' is, it is itself an absolute. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 20:46:48 GMT
Lol, I highly doubt that beyond any reasonable doubt. Well, you also said the same thing about Ragnarok being the same as the Christian Apocalypse and were wrong about that. So this sort of presumptuous posing isn't surprising. Mark Hamill himself said "Hey, Dr Doom!" when he laid eyes on Vader and then there's the clear influence of the 4th World New Gods comics on Star Wars. I'll let you do your own homework here, as you're the one that really needs it. It's pretty bad when you say stuff like Lucas being an intellectual. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 20:49:26 GMT
this does not make sense on any level. You should check what "absolutely" means. If this was Caps final film in his trilogy : -Where was his Nemeses from 1 and 2: Hydra, where was the resolution of this own story arc? - Why were there origin stories for Spiderboy and Panther? - Why was the mommy-issue storyline and all the happy family flashbacks about Iron Man and his family woes? Because it was not Cap's story but he was just a small part of it. Oh, and only a Sith deals in absolutes, btw. 1) You're being too petty and small-minded again. A shared Universe where everything influences everything else means you don't need to be as self-contained as you think they should be. There's no need for Hydra to be the villain in Cap 3 when they're a villain for the MCU as a whole.2) Their own movies. You can introduce someone without giving us the life story. T hat's how a Shared Universe works. 3) Because Iron Man was part of the greater storyline. It's not some closed circle thing. It's how a Shared Universe works. You gotta let go of your outdated, constricted views on things.so basically you admit it was not a Cap film. Fine, you just could have said: you are right. Btw, that's also how the Force works - PALPATINE: Anakin, if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the Jedi. Surely he stole that from Marvel as well. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 20:53:49 GMT
1) You're being too petty and small-minded again. A shared Universe where everything influences everything else means you don't need to be as self-contained as you think they should be. There's no need for Hydra to be the villain in Cap 3 when they're a villain for the MCU as a whole.2) Their own movies. You can introduce someone without giving us the life story. T hat's how a Shared Universe works. 3) Because Iron Man was part of the greater storyline. It's not some closed circle thing. It's how a Shared Universe works. You gotta let go of your outdated, constricted views on things.so basically you admit it was not a Cap film. It's a shared universe film, just like Cap 1 and Cap 2. You need to let go of your outdated and constrained views, because they're incompatible with how a Shared Universe works. As for the Force, that's a knock off of the Source from the 4th World Jack Kirby series. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 14, 2018 20:54:34 GMT
Lol, I highly doubt that beyond any reasonable doubt. Well, you also said the same thing about Ragnarok being the same as the Christian Apocalypse and were wrong about that. So this sort of presumptuous posing isn't surprising. Mark Hamill himself said "Hey, Dr Doom!" when he laid eyes on Vader and then there's the clear influence of the 4th World New Gods comics on Star Wars. I'll let you do your own homework here, as you're the one that really needs it. It's pretty bad when you say stuff like Lucas being an intellectual.  So you have nothing and try to deflect. Lol, and I never said anything about Ragnarök in that vein, you evidently do not understand the Christian Apocalypse nor Ragnarök (and are unable to spell it). That's not how burden of proof rules work. Fail. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 14, 2018 20:57:34 GMT
Well, you also said the same thing about Ragnarok being the same as the Christian Apocalypse and were wrong about that. So this sort of presumptuous posing isn't surprising. Mark Hamill himself said "Hey, Dr Doom!" when he laid eyes on Vader and then there's the clear influence of the 4th World New Gods comics on Star Wars. I'll let you do your own homework here, as you're the one that really needs it. It's pretty bad when you say stuff like Lucas being an intellectual. So you have nothing and try to deflect. Lol, and I never said anything about Ragnarök in that vein, you evidently do not understand the Christian Apocalypse nor Ragnarök (and are unable to spell it). That's not how burden of proof rules work. Fail. 1) Dr Doom, disfigured man in a suit of armor with magical powers. Iron Man, guy who needs his suit to live. Getting Vader from that is pretty easy. Plus the whole thing about the hero having "the Force" and fighting his father comes from Orion and Darkseid from the 4th World comics. 2) Yeah you did. You ran off as always. You used a History channel video link to try and justify yourself while I responded with a proper analysis from Norse scholars. You ran off. Honestly, do your homework and get out of the box you've trapped yourself in. There's no reason the Cap movies have to just be Cap vs Hydra again and again, there's no need to be that constrained. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Mar 14, 2018 20:59:31 GMT
Captain America: The World Accord-ing to Stark
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