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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 20, 2018 10:49:22 GMT
The short answer is that we just like the shape of it. The long answer may follow some other time. The fish was a symbol when Christianity was growing, and it still has something of an appeal today.
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Post by Ainz_Ooal_Gown on Mar 20, 2018 11:12:23 GMT
Honestly the fish is a far better symbol.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 20, 2018 11:25:32 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 12:19:22 GMT
I imagine it's supposed to serve as a reminder of what Jesus went through to save mankind since looking at the murder weapon always helps with memories...Kinda like when people hang up the guns that shot their loved ones.
Everyone does that.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 20, 2018 14:51:49 GMT
tpfkar The short answer is that we just like the shape of it. The long answer may follow some other time. The fish was a symbol when Christianity was growing, and it still has something of an appeal today. Strange, but I didn't see it that way. For the longest time I have been thinking that God the Father might be a collective, but I never thought of them as flesh and blood ETs. They would command incredible power, and not with science that we would understand, but with what would appear to be magic, or science we don't understand.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 20, 2018 14:53:10 GMT
I imagine it's supposed to serve as a reminder of what Jesus went through to save mankind since looking at the murder weapon always helps with memories...Kinda like when people hang up the guns that shot their loved ones. Everyone does that. I know this was probably (possibly?) intended as sarcasm, but it kind of fails in light of the fact that people DO in fact hang up the murder weapon of Christ. The question remains, WHY would someone do that? And, to what purpose does that serve if not to be reminded of his death? And if that is the purpose, isn’t that a bit morbid?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 15:22:15 GMT
I imagine it's supposed to serve as a reminder of what Jesus went through to save mankind since looking at the murder weapon always helps with memories...Kinda like when people hang up the guns that shot their loved ones. Everyone does that. I know this was probably (possibly?) intended as sarcasm, but it kind of fails in light of the fact that people DO in fact hang up the murder weapon of Christ. The question remains, WHY would someone do that? And, to what purpose does that serve if not to be reminded of his death? And if that is the purpose, isn’t that a bit morbid? It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 20, 2018 17:07:08 GMT
I know this was probably (possibly?) intended as sarcasm, but it kind of fails in light of the fact that people DO in fact hang up the murder weapon of Christ. The question remains, WHY would someone do that? And, to what purpose does that serve if not to be reminded of his death? And if that is the purpose, isn’t that a bit morbid? It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized. This seems to be one of those rare occasions where I’m in agreement with you. I actually knew all of this already, but am a little surprised that you acknowledge these facts.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 20, 2018 18:31:19 GMT
tpfkar The short answer is that we just like the shape of it. The long answer may follow some other time. The fish was a symbol when Christianity was growing, and it still has something of an appeal today. Strange, but I didn't see it that way. For the longest time I have been thinking that God the Father might be a collective, but I never thought of them as flesh and blood ETs. They would command incredible power, and not with science that we would understand, but with what would appear to be magic, or science we don't understand.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 18:34:09 GMT
It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized. This seems to be one of those rare occasions where I’m in agreement with you. I actually knew all of this already, but am a little surprised that you acknowledge these facts. There has never been a time I haven't acknowledged a fact.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 20, 2018 18:47:53 GMT
This seems to be one of those rare occasions where I’m in agreement with you. I actually knew all of this already, but am a little surprised that you acknowledge these facts. There has never been a time I haven't acknowledged a fact. I have nothing to validate that statement other than your word. But I wasn’t questioning your ability to be “factual”, so much as presuming your knowledge of, and willingness to openly accept what is factual. This is something most fundamentalists like Cody, and clusium, and maya, and erjen, and Arlon struggle with. Actually Arlon struggles with a lot of things but that’s a different topic. The point is, when it comes to most fundamentalists, “facts” are subjective and completely in the eyes of the beholder.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 20, 2018 19:52:24 GMT
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 19:59:41 GMT
It's not exactly a well kept secret is it? Besides, they believe Jesus flat out didn't die on a cross. I say it's entirely possible that he did die on a cross considering Romans used any number of crucifixion methods. Am I disfellowshipped now? Now let's see how many times you can accuse me of not saying what you'll quote me saying in this thread!
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Post by lowtacks86 on Mar 20, 2018 20:45:05 GMT
Marketing. A crucifixion is far more iconic than a fish.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 20, 2018 20:52:34 GMT
Marketing. A crucifixion is far more iconic than a fish. Plus Darwinians can't put little feet on it.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 20, 2018 22:40:56 GMT
Marketing. A crucifixion is far more iconic than a fish. Plus Darwinians can't put little feet on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 22:43:46 GMT
Wasn't the cross used in a method of execution?
Why isn't the popular symbol of Christianity say... a scroll, to emphasize the teachings of Jesus? I think it might have to do with the Greek symbol of Christ. It could be because he was crucified, but the Romans executed a lot of people this way. Kind of like hanging, the electric chair, etc
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Post by rizdek on Mar 21, 2018 0:24:23 GMT
I imagine it's supposed to serve as a reminder of what Jesus went through to save mankind since looking at the murder weapon always helps with memories...Kinda like when people hang up the guns that shot their loved ones. Everyone does that. Yeah, it's a good think he didn't die of dysentery.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 21, 2018 14:00:45 GMT
I thought it was pretty clearly intended to be a reminder of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus made for humanity. It's less a reminder of the death, per se, and more a reminder of the person who supposedly suffered tremendous torment for our benefit. In a non-Christian work like Neon Genesis Evangelion it serves as a potent symbol for sacrifice, death, and rebirth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 15:40:06 GMT
The early church understood the atonement as God basically paying a ransom for the souls of humanity. So the cross would be the reminder of the price that he was willing to pay. It's also the thematic center of Christ's work on earth, so I think it's fine for a symbol of the faith.
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