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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 1:18:13 GMT
I thought it was pretty clearly intended to be a reminder of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus made for humanity. It's less a reminder of the death, per say, and more a reminder of the person who supposedly suffered tremendous torment for our benefit. In a non-Christian work like Neon Genesis Evangelion it serves as a potent symbol for sacrifice, death, and rebirth. "Per se may refer to: per se (Latin), a Latin phrase meaning "by itself" or "in itself". You're welcome.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 22, 2018 1:38:38 GMT
I thought it was pretty clearly intended to be a reminder of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus made for humanity. It's less a reminder of the death, per say, and more a reminder of the person who supposedly suffered tremendous torment for our benefit. In a non-Christian work like Neon Genesis Evangelion it serves as a potent symbol for sacrifice, death, and rebirth. "Per se may refer to: per se (Latin), a Latin phrase meaning "by itself" or "in itself". You're welcome. Thanks. My Chrome spellchecker doesn't like your Latin.
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Post by goz on Mar 22, 2018 1:47:39 GMT
"Per se may refer to: per se (Latin), a Latin phrase meaning "by itself" or "in itself". You're welcome. Thanks. My Chrome spellchecker doesn't like your Latin. I knew those four years of learning Latin would come in handy ONE day!
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 22, 2018 9:36:36 GMT
It makes sense to me as the death and resurrection of Christ are the defining events of Christianity. It symbolizes the salvation of mankind by Jesus.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 22, 2018 18:11:59 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 24, 2018 9:53:13 GMT
I know this was probably (possibly?) intended as sarcasm, but it kind of fails in light of the fact that people DO in fact hang up the murder weapon of Christ. The question remains, WHY would someone do that? And, to what purpose does that serve if not to be reminded of his death? And if that is the purpose, isn’t that a bit morbid? It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized. Did you ever look at your own hand and imagine a nail running through it? I have. Now if you can imagine that, try to imagine someone stepping up and taking the nail that was meant for you. I didn't get it when I was a younger man, but I get it now. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and L. Ron Hubbard had teachings too, but those jokers didn't take a nail through the hand for you or me, and that is why the cross should have meaning for those to profess to believe, IMO.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 10:57:14 GMT
It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized. ...L. Ron Hubbard had teachings too, but those jokers didn't take a nail through the hand for you or me... I kinda wished someone had put a nail through that joker.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 24, 2018 15:01:47 GMT
tpfkar Did you ever look at your own hand and imagine a nail running through it? I have. Now if you can imagine that, try to imagine someone stepping up and taking the nail that was meant for you. What a perverse ideology. Why should either some innocent party take horrific torture for some insult a delicate, precious, savage God perceived? Or not any better, why would He put on such a grotesque snuff show and try to pretend it's any kind of love save a very perverse form? For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 24, 2018 15:50:57 GMT
It's actually a "t" (lower-case, for some reason).
A lot of people think that Jesus' middle initial is "H", but it's not.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 7:36:46 GMT
Did you ever look at your own hand and imagine a nail running through it? I have. Now if you can imagine that, try to imagine someone stepping up and taking the nail that was meant for you. I didn't get it when I was a younger man, but I get it now. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and L. Ron Hubbard had teachings too, but those jokers didn't take a nail through the hand for you or me, and that is why the cross should have meaning for those to profess to believe, IMO. Smith's death was not exactly pretty either: How unfortunate for him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 25, 2018 12:34:26 GMT
It was sarcasm Yes, it is morbid since it focuses on the killing over the teaching. The possible real reason is the cross, in all its various designs, existed as a religious symbol prior to Christ's death since the ankh or earlier which made it easily adoptable as Catholicism became a state religion across the Roman empire. By the time all of this happened, a neat story about how it should remind ones of Jesus' sacrifice had been cemented and carried on to various other large denominations despite the danger of it being idolized. Did you ever look at your own hand and imagine a nail running through it? I have. Now if you can imagine that, try to imagine someone stepping up and taking the nail that was meant for you. I didn't get it when I was a younger man, but I get it now. Muhammad, Joseph Smith, and L. Ron Hubbard had teachings too, but those jokers didn't take a nail through the hand for you or me, and that is why the cross should have meaning for those to profess to believe, IMO. I can understand and appreciate Jesus' sacrifice without looking at the thing that killed him. Some where along the lines, Christian denominations decided to spend more time on pain and suffering than was warranted in Scripture. A crucifixion wasn't just about the end game anyway. Jesus was tortured for a good portion of his last day. However, it means nothing if people don't actually get what he died for. It's largely used for fashion now anyway.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 25, 2018 17:00:47 GMT
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 17:38:24 GMT
I see you're still a bit slow. Compare how Hubbard and Muhammad died, fool. Don't be an angry little man, Gameboy. It doesn't become you.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 17:47:16 GMT
Don't be an angry little man, Gameboy. It doesn't become you. I'm 6'2" and no one's angry, fool. Joseph Smith was killed while trying to escape from a mob. Are you comparing that with the manner in which Christ died?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 17:53:28 GMT
Joseph Smith was killed while trying to escape from a mob. Are you comparing that with the manner in which Christ died? No, I'm comparing it to how Hubbard and Muhammad died. You should do some research before you throw out these false analogies. Can't remember how Hubbard died and not very interested. Didn't Muhammad allegedly zoom into the sky like Elijah?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 18:10:03 GMT
Can't remember how Hubbard died and not very interested. Didn't Muhammad allegedly zoom into the sky like Elijah? Regardless, Smith was a religious martyr. He paid the ultimate price for his beliefs. I also hate that stupid fish symbol. The cross represents Christ's sacrifice. I was taught in the LDS church that the cross is the sign of the devil. And when you try and replace the cross with a fish you lose the message of Christ. A religious martyr, yes, but not for me. The fish doesn't bother me, but it had it's time. Didn't know you were taught in the LDS church, or if I did know I forgot. Sorry. Gee, I wish St. Frankenstein was here. He knew a lot about religion.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 18:41:42 GMT
A religious martyr, yes, but not for me. The fish doesn't bother me, but it had it's time. Didn't know you were taught in the LDS church, or if I did know I forgot. Sorry. Gee, I wish St. Frankenstein was here. He knew a lot about religion. Yeah, I miss St Frank. We had reconciled the last time he was here, I think it was v2. There was a poster named The Last Fascist I thought may have been him. I wonder if he got tired of being a man and went back to Catholic schoolgirl yet. Lol. Well, it's nice to see you using the masculine pronoun when referring to him now. It never seemed like a lot to ask, IMO. Seems like Hubbard lived to a fairly ripe age and I remember his death being reported, but that's all. When he wrote a book he never used an outline......as if someone else was writing it through him maybe?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 25, 2018 19:19:55 GMT
I always thought it bizarre that a Christian like you would embrace transgender. I actually have no problem with transsexuality anymore as long as a person doesn't mutilate their genitals. Yeah, that's tough for people to grasp, even when I explain it and post links about how doctors are arbitrarily deciding the gender of newborn children without the parents' knowledge. I also don't make myself popular when I say that some of the ones calling themselves trans now are not really trans, but rather gays who convince themselves that they're trans because they're not getting the same mileage out of being gay anymore. No, not popular views, but hey. You've got to make your own kind of music, sing your own kind of song.
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Post by maya55555 on Mar 25, 2018 19:29:38 GMT
gameboy
Enjoy.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 26, 2018 21:00:50 GMT
tpfkar Joseph Smith was killed while trying to escape from a mob. Are you comparing that with the manner in which Christ died? Didn't the God-directed mob call for Jesus's torture and death? I don't like to see that done to anyone. It's tacky. However, being "gay" doesn't entitle them to any more or less consideration as far as I'm concerned.
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