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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Mar 23, 2018 22:28:03 GMT
You should do one inspired by Andrew Dice Clay There once was this homo named Rob Who wanted to slobber my knob So I kicked his fairy ass Then banged some hot, dumb lass And on my knob she did slob OH! |
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Post by goz on Mar 23, 2018 22:30:33 GMT
You should do one inspired by Andrew Dice Clay There once was this homo named Rob Who wanted to slobber my knob So I kicked his fairy ass Then banged some hot, dumb lass And on my knob she did slob OH! ...and to think that I briefly hesitated to post my previous post lest I lower the tone of this thread!  |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 1:33:12 GMT
Good on that English teacher. Given that poetry is one of the art-forms that can be done by anyone regardless of talent or effort, we need people willing to call out that lack of talent, effort, and originality when it tries to pass itself off as something worthy of a reader's time... even if it's just a highschool English teacher's time. Negative criticism should be a provocation to do better, or at least try harder. "Worthy of reading" and "lack of talent" is subjective. So? You know, you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things. Surely if you've read anything I've ever said on the matter you know I agree with this. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 1:35:20 GMT
...butt true. 'Trite' is in the brown 'eye of the beholder'! I'd say that's truer of other qualities more than trite. Certain ideas have indeed been expressed more than others, and some have been expressed to death. Though when it comes to all art I'm more of an "it's how it's said more than what's said" kind of person. You can say unoriginal things in original ways; many critics would argue that's ALL you can do. |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 1:42:09 GMT
...butt true. 'Trite' is in the brown 'eye of the beholder'! I'd say that's truer of other qualities more than trite. Certain ideas have indeed been expressed more than others, and some have been expressed to death. Though when it comes to all art I'm more of an "it's how it's said more than what's said" kind of person. You can say unoriginal things in original ways; many critics would argue that's ALL you can do. Agreed...and I had high hopes that not many people before me had said following a very bad pun on the word but.  ' |
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Post by Lugh on Mar 24, 2018 10:12:04 GMT
"Worthy of reading" and "lack of talent" is subjective. So? You know, you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things. Surely if you've read anything I've ever said on the matter you know I agree with this. If its subjective then it was in no way justified what the teacher did. "you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things" What are you on about? When have I ever done this before? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 24, 2018 10:16:28 GMT
So? You know, you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things. Surely if you've read anything I've ever said on the matter you know I agree with this. If its subjective then it was in no way justified what the teacher did. "you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things" What are you on about? When have I ever done this before? You missed the opportunity to say: And don't call me Shirley.  |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 10:39:42 GMT
So? You know, you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things. Surely if you've read anything I've ever said on the matter you know I agree with this. If its subjective then it was in no way justified what the teacher did. "you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things" What are you on about? When have I ever done this before? Of course there is; unless you're going to claim there's no justifications for subjective things, which would be a rather ludicrous argument to make considering justification is in itself subjective. Right here. |
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Post by Lugh on Mar 24, 2018 10:51:31 GMT
If its subjective then it was in no way justified what the teacher did. "you don't have to bring this obvious point up in every thread where people are discussing subjective things" What are you on about? When have I ever done this before? Of course there is; unless you're going to claim there's no justifications for subjective things, which would be a rather ludicrous argument to make considering justification is in itself subjective. Right here.Well its obviously not obvious to some considering it needs to be pointed out. Also one other instance is not proof of me "bring[ing] this obvious point up in every thread" Also obvious is subjective.  If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to choose to not write "trite" over something you would consider "worthy of reading". The teacher is suppressing her students creativity and putting them down over something that shouldn't even be graded in the first place. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 24, 2018 10:53:41 GMT
Fleet isn't even good enough to take a walk where Robert Frost took a dump.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 11:11:34 GMT
Of course there is; unless you're going to claim there's no justifications for subjective things, which would be a rather ludicrous argument to make considering justification is in itself subjective. Right here.Well its obviously not obvious to some considering it needs to be pointed out. Also one other instance is not proof of me "bring[ing] this obvious point up in every thread" Also obvious is subjective. If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to choose to not write "trite" over something you would consider "worthy of reading". The teacher is suppressing her students creativity and putting them down over something that shouldn't even be graded in the first place. What's the point in bringing it up unless people are actually claiming their subjective statements are factual? Two instances of you doing it in threads that didn't warrant it was enough. Way to double negative that 3rd sentence. I think I'll let you rephrase it before I try to respond. Also, GTFO of here with "suppressing her students creativity" snowflake nonsense. If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments) then no negative criticism will stop them. Hell, look at fleet; he receives almost nothing but negative criticism and it's never slowed him down a jot. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 11:21:10 GMT
Fleet isn't even good enough to take a walk where Robert Frost took a dump. Did you read the Frost poem I posted on page one? It's a favorite of mine. Despite the superficial simplicity there's a lot going on thematically and technically. With the former, Frost was fascinated but horrified by Darwinism, and he's basically trying to imagine how that mix of horror and beauty, life and death, could exist by design. Technically, I love how he uses "white" as a motif before closing with that "darkness to appall" line, as appall literally means "to make white." That kind of attention to detail is the mark of a great poet. |
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Post by Lugh on Mar 24, 2018 11:31:24 GMT
Well its obviously not obvious to some considering it needs to be pointed out. Also one other instance is not proof of me "bring[ing] this obvious point up in every thread" Also obvious is subjective. If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to choose to not write "trite" over something you would consider "worthy of reading". The teacher is suppressing her students creativity and putting them down over something that shouldn't even be graded in the first place. What's the point in bringing it up unless people are actually claiming their subjective statements are factual? Two instances of you doing it in threads that didn't warrant it was enough. Way to double negative that 3rd sentence. I think I'll let you rephrase it before I try to respond. Also, GTFO of here with "suppressing her students creativity" snowflake nonsense. If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments) then no negative criticism will stop them. Hell, look at fleet; he receives almost nothing but negative criticism and it's never slowed him down a jot. Why are you getting so aggressive? If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to write something "worthy of reading" over something you would consider "trite". There's no reason for somebody to promote one type of poetry over another type. "If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments)" That is the most bizarre definition of creativity I have ever heard. Are you seriously so delusional that you dont think people calling stuff somebody put hard work into as crap could discourage them? What planet are you living on? Do you not know about operant conditioning? Read up on B.F Skinner |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 11:50:23 GMT
What's the point in bringing it up unless people are actually claiming their subjective statements are factual? Two instances of you doing it in threads that didn't warrant it was enough. Way to double negative that 3rd sentence. I think I'll let you rephrase it before I try to respond. Also, GTFO of here with "suppressing her students creativity" snowflake nonsense. If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments) then no negative criticism will stop them. Hell, look at fleet; he receives almost nothing but negative criticism and it's never slowed him down a jot. Why are you getting so aggressive? If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to write something "worthy of reading" over something you would consider "trite". There's no reason for somebody to promote one type of poetry over another type. "If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments)" That is the most bizarre definition of creativity I have ever heard. Are you seriously so delusional that you dont think people calling stuff somebody put hard work into as crap could discourage them? What planet are you living on? Do you not know about operant conditioning? Read up on B.F Skinner Other than the (meant to be jokey) "GTFO," I didn't think I was being aggressive. Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading. If they don't care if it's worth reading then they wouldn't care what others think anyway. There are many reasons to promote any kind of art over another, including that that one wants to increase/decrease the exposure of certain art/artists, which will help facilitate their making more art. It might temporarily discourage them, but most artists create for themselves first and are their own worst critics. If they're creating for the approval of others then it's just about figuring out what any group or individual likes and pandering to their tastes. Hollywood makes billions doing that. |
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Post by Lugh on Mar 24, 2018 12:04:58 GMT
Why are you getting so aggressive? If its subjective then there is no reason for somebody to write something "worthy of reading" over something you would consider "trite". There's no reason for somebody to promote one type of poetry over another type. "If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments)" That is the most bizarre definition of creativity I have ever heard. Are you seriously so delusional that you dont think people calling stuff somebody put hard work into as crap could discourage them? What planet are you living on? Do you not know about operant conditioning? Read up on B.F Skinner Other than the (meant to be jokey) "GTFO," I didn't think I was being aggressive. Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading. If they don't care if it's worth reading then they wouldn't care what others think anyway. There are many reasons to promote any kind of art over another, including that that one wants to increase/decrease the exposure of certain art/artists, which will help facilitate their making more art. It might temporarily discourage them, but most artists create for themselves first and are their own worst critics. If they're creating for the approval of others then it's just about figuring out what any group or individual likes and pandering to their tastes. Hollywood makes billions doing that. "Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading" And writing "TRITE" in red ink is the way to do that? You're falsing assuming that there are not people who want others to appreciate their poetry while at the same time writing the poetry they want to write and not what others (like you) want them to write. There could be some who think "If people are going to give me crap over my type of poetry then why bother?" Think of it like a social situation. Most people want people to like them. And some people will not just change their personality so they can be accepted by a certain social group, they will just not bother with that particular social group. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 12:33:46 GMT
Other than the (meant to be jokey) "GTFO," I didn't think I was being aggressive. Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading. If they don't care if it's worth reading then they wouldn't care what others think anyway. There are many reasons to promote any kind of art over another, including that that one wants to increase/decrease the exposure of certain art/artists, which will help facilitate their making more art. It might temporarily discourage them, but most artists create for themselves first and are their own worst critics. If they're creating for the approval of others then it's just about figuring out what any group or individual likes and pandering to their tastes. Hollywood makes billions doing that. "Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading" And writing "TRITE" in red ink is the way to do that? You're falsing assuming that there are not people who want others to appreciate their poetry while at the same time writing the poetry they want to write and not what others (like you) want them to write. There could be some who think "If people are going to give me crap over my type of poetry then why bother?" Think of it like a social situation. Most people want people to like them. And some people will not just change their personality so they can be accepted by a certain social group, they will just not bother with that particular social group. The writing of "trite" would be to help them write something that that someone thought was worth reading by, eg, avoiding such triteness in the future. I'm not saying people can't care about both, but anyone who writes for themselves isn't going to stop just because others don't like it, and if they care enough about what others like then they'll either have to change what they write or find someone who does. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Pretty much every creative writing textbook emphasizes that rejection is an inevitable part of it. I think what you say about wanting to be liked/social groups is the same thing I'm saying about poetry. People are free to share their poetry with as many people/groups as they like until they find one that likes it. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of both print an online journals that accept poetry submissions, and even plenty of online forums like this where you can submit and have others comment. They all have different standards for what they consider "worth reading." |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 24, 2018 12:34:19 GMT
"suppressing her students creativity" snowflake nonsense. If a person is truly creative (ie, not just doing it for assignments) then no negative criticism will stop them.
WAS NOT POETRY
WAS A SCHOOL ASSIGNMENT
WORK WAS BY YOUNG TEENS - FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL -THE A+ GROUP OF KIDS - PRETTY WELL READ
WAS GRADED BY A DISGRUNTLED BITCH OF A TEACHER WHO ENJOYED PUTTING YOUNG PEOPLE DOWN
SHE WAS NOT A GOOD TEACHER in my subjective opinion
SHE CERTAINLY STIFLED ENTHUSIASM FOR WRITING ~ FORTUNATELY THE NEXT YEARS TEACHER WAS A GEM HIDDEN AMONG THE PILE OF ROCKS EMPLOYED BY THAT SCHOOL.
and yes, I know I was shouting ... <shrug>
pomposity has that effect on me.
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Post by Lugh on Mar 24, 2018 12:40:05 GMT
"Sure there is; the reason would be that they want others to think it worthy of reading" And writing "TRITE" in red ink is the way to do that? You're falsing assuming that there are not people who want others to appreciate their poetry while at the same time writing the poetry they want to write and not what others (like you) want them to write. There could be some who think "If people are going to give me crap over my type of poetry then why bother?" Think of it like a social situation. Most people want people to like them. And some people will not just change their personality so they can be accepted by a certain social group, they will just not bother with that particular social group. The writing of "trite" would be to help them write something that that someone thought was worth reading by, eg, avoiding such triteness in the future. I'm not saying people can't care about both, but anyone who writes for themselves isn't going to stop just because others don't like it, and if they care enough about what others like then they'll either have to change what they write or find someone who does. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Pretty much every creative writing textbook emphasizes that rejection is an inevitable part of it. I think what you say about wanting to be liked/social groups is the same thing I'm saying about poetry. People are free to share their poetry with as many people/groups as they like until they find one that likes it. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of both print an online journals that accept poetry submissions, and even plenty of online forums like this where you can submit and have others comment. They all have different standards for what they consider "worth reading." "The writing of "trite" would be to help them write something that that someone thought was worth reading by, eg, avoiding such triteness in the future. " Yes, but there's a way to do it. If a family member of mine is very overweight I dont approach them and say "Listen you fat fuck, you're a disgusting pig that needs to lay off all those big macs". "Pretty much every creative writing textbook emphasizes that rejection is an inevitable part of it." I am not talking about rejection I am talking about someone calling someone's work trite or using some other term like that. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Mar 24, 2018 12:45:04 GMT
"The writing of "trite" would be to help them write something that that someone thought was worth reading by, eg, avoiding such triteness in the future. " I am not talking about rejection I am talking about demeaning someone by calling their work trite or other terms like that. Yes ... that ! ^^^^^ Lugh she never explained why something was red penciled .. just did it and moved on to the next assignment ! so what was the real purpose ? <-- rhetorical question. The spelling/ grammar police are going to be after me too and it's too early to deal with it  |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 24, 2018 12:53:12 GMT
This sounds nothing like Robert Frost. Frost perfected the art of writing in demotic verse without all of the archaic syntactic inversions for the sake of rhyme that were prevalent in the 19th and 18th century. To compare: You say "syntactic inversion" like it's a bad thing. What is your reason for that? |
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