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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 0:19:36 GMT
as we forgive those who sin against us'.
What does this really mean?
What then is the point of it?
What does forgiveness mean in reality?
Is to forgive moral, or amoral? Afterall, you have suffered a wrong, or committed one.
An eye for an eye?
Turn the other cheek?
Forgive them, Father! They don't know what they are doing." (Luke 23.34 GNTD)
"If you forgive others the wrongs they have done to you, your Father in heaven will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive the wrongs you have done." -- Matthew 6.14-15 GNTD
"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times in one day, and each time he comes to you saying, 'I repent,' you must forgive him." Luke 17.3-4 GNTD
"And when you stand and pray, forgive anything you may have against anyone, so that your Father in heaven will forgive the wrongs you have done." --Mark 11.25 GNTD
"Do not judge others, and God will not judge you; do not condemn others, and God will not condemn you; forgive others, and God will forgive you." -- Luke 6.37 GNTD
"Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, 'Lord, if my brother keeps on sinning against me, how many times do I have to forgive him? Seven times?' 'No, not seven times,' answered Jesus, 'but seventy times seven…'" -- Matthew 18.21-22 GNTD
"Drink it, all of you; this is my blood, which seals God's covenant, my blood poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." -- Matthew 26.27-29 GNTD
What then is the point of forgiveness?
It certainly doesn't work in the criminal legal systems of most, if not all countries, especially the USA where they still have the death penalty.
I find Christianity very confusing and contradictory.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 24, 2018 0:31:03 GMT
Forgiveness is not the same thing as allowing ones to face the repercussions of their errors, so punishment has little to do with it.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2018 0:37:09 GMT
Forgiveness is not the same thing as allowing ones to face the repercussions of their errors, so punishment has little to do with it. Trying to explain words to Goz, good luck with that. |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 0:56:11 GMT
Forgiveness is not the same thing as allowing ones to face the repercussions of their errors, so punishment has little to do with it. Trying to explain words to Goz, good luck with that. How about you answer the thread and quit with the personal attacks? Too hard? I know it is your only contribution to this board butt it has become tiresome being the butt of your venom. |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2018 0:57:42 GMT
Trying to explain words to Goz, good luck with that. How about you answer the thread and quit with the personal attacks? Too hard? I know it is your only contribution to this board butt it has become tiresome being the butt of your venom. Have you tried learning to read? It's not my fault that you're an imbecile. |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 1:01:11 GMT
Forgiveness is not the same thing as allowing ones to face the repercussions of their errors, so punishment has little to do with it. So what is the point of 'forgiveness' to you? If, as you state, one must face the repercussions of one's errors, what is the place of forgiveness and why does Jesus recommend it? |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 1:04:37 GMT
How about you answer the thread and quit with the personal attacks? Too hard? I know it is your only contribution to this board butt it has become tiresome being the butt of your venom. Have you tried learning to read? It's not my fault that you're an imbecile. ... and I can't help that you have no concept of the nuances of the meaning and application of words, thought and philosophies, after all you are just a dumb redneck gun toting Yank! |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2018 1:05:56 GMT
Have you tried learning to read? It's not my fault that you're an imbecile. ... and I can't help that you have no concept of the nuances of the meaning and application of words, thought and philosophies, after all you are just a dumb redneck gun toting Yank! This isn't going to be any fun if you keep making my point for me. |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 1:16:20 GMT
... and I can't help that you have no concept of the nuances of the meaning and application of words, thought and philosophies, after all you are just a dumb redneck gun toting Yank! This isn't going to be any fun if you keep making my point for me. Fun? This is great fun! Watching as you follow me around and make the same old tired 'imbecile' comments as your only contribution to this board and your fixation on me due to our long running disagreement on the gun control thing! Eminently entertaining as you try to bully me. How abut you make a contribution to the board and this thread for a change instead of being a pathetic little Debbie Downer. Better still go out and shoot someone or something! Make my day! |
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Mar 24, 2018 1:20:54 GMT
This isn't going to be any fun if you keep making my point for me. Fun? This is great fun! Watching as you follow me around and make the same old tired 'imbecile' comments as your only contribution to this board and your fixation on me due to our long running disagreement on the gun control thing! Eminently entertaining as you try to bully me. How abut you make a contribution to the board and this thread for a change instead of being a pathetic little Debbie Downer. Better still go out and shoot someone or something! Make my day! Yeah, it has nothing to do with you accusing me of saying things I never said or you being a despicable person who said horrible things about my niece. You're garbage, you're an unbelievably stupid person and the average five-year old has better reading comprehension than you. These are facts. I don't give a rat's ass about how you feel about me pointing out the truth, especially since you probably can't understand half of what I said anyway. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 24, 2018 1:23:36 GMT
Fun? This is great fun! Watching as you follow me around and make the same old tired 'imbecile' comments as your only contribution to this board and your fixation on me due to our long running disagreement on the gun control thing! Eminently entertaining as you try to bully me. How abut you make a contribution to the board and this thread for a change instead of being a pathetic little Debbie Downer. Better still go out and shoot someone or something! Make my day! Yeah, it has nothing to do with you accusing me of saying things I never said or you being a despicable person who said horrible things about my niece. You're garbage, you're an unbelievably stupid person and the average five-year old has better reading comprehension than you. These are facts. I don't give a rat's ass about how you feel about me pointing out the truth, especially since you probably can't understand half of what I said anyway. This is a pillow fight. When are you two going to put on the brass knuckles?  |
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Post by goz on Mar 24, 2018 1:29:49 GMT
Fun? This is great fun! Watching as you follow me around and make the same old tired 'imbecile' comments as your only contribution to this board and your fixation on me due to our long running disagreement on the gun control thing! Eminently entertaining as you try to bully me. How abut you make a contribution to the board and this thread for a change instead of being a pathetic little Debbie Downer. Better still go out and shoot someone or something! Make my day! Yeah, it has nothing to do with you accusing me of saying things I never said or you being a despicable person who said horrible things about my niece. You're garbage, you're an unbelievably stupid person and the average five-year old has better reading comprehension than you. These are facts. I don't give a rat's ass about how you feel about me pointing out the truth, especially since you probably can't understand half of what I said anyway. I couldn't be more thrilled that I annoy you so much.  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 24, 2018 1:55:37 GMT
Forgiveness is not the same thing as allowing ones to face the repercussions of their errors, so punishment has little to do with it. So what is the point of 'forgiveness' to you? If, as you state, one must face the repercussions of one's errors, what is the place of forgiveness and why does Jesus recommend it? Forgiveness is an action taken by the one that was wronged. The point would be to let go of the wrong and move on from it. Repercussions are what the wrongdoer faces for committing the wrong regardless of forgiveness by the wronged. It can be as simple a guilty conscious to prison time or death. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 5:27:31 GMT
It's releasing a debt. That's it.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 24, 2018 8:44:02 GMT
Forgiveness (Fr. Mike Schmitz) ; a little 5 minute video (on YouTube) on this general subject. that should mostly sum things up in a nut shell  in the video... it talks about that in some cases it's not possible to pay back to another what wrong one has done, but you can still forgive. I would imagine it's best to try to pay back someone if you can for the wrong you may have done (or vice versa) but after a certain point it simply can't be done like if someone murders someone you care about as all of the jail time and money in the world can't make up for that hurt. plus, I imagine there are many cases where the one who hurt you don't give a damn about you, which would make it that much harder for one to forgive, but, with God's grace(which is obtained through regular prayer etc), one can(and should) eventually forgive that person. plus, hanging onto the hurt/anger towards someone who's wronged you, especially for too long, will ultimately just hurt yourself. also, ill say that forgiveness is a act of ones will. feelings are not as important. which is kind of touched on a little in that video.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 24, 2018 11:28:41 GMT
This isn't going to be any fun if you keep making my point for me. Fun? This is great fun! Watching as you follow me around and make the same old tired 'imbecile' comments as your only contribution to this board and your fixation on me due to our long running disagreement on the gun control thing! Eminently entertaining as you try to bully me. How abut you make a contribution to the board and this thread for a change instead of being a pathetic little Debbie Downer. Better still go out and shoot someone or something! Make my day!
I don't think you want to say "make my day" to Cash: |
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