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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 12:39:55 GMT
and all turns to silver glass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 13:08:53 GMT
Or not, as the case may be.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 13:18:57 GMT
Or not, as the case may be. What can you see On the horizon? Why do the white gulls Call? |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 25, 2018 15:10:25 GMT
You're quoting the film, but it's interesting that even though that exact dialogue isn't in the book, Jackson is quoting from two different parts of the books: the first being a dream Frodo has in Fellowship, and the second being in Return when Frodo recalls that dream.
Of course, it's rather strange your quoting an obvious work of fiction with its own concept of the underworld to say something about religion...
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 15:26:27 GMT
You're quoting the film, but it's interesting that even though that exact dialogue isn't in the book, Jackson is quoting from two different parts of the books: the first being a dream Frodo has in Fellowship, and the second being in Return when Frodo recalls that dream. Of course, it's rather strange your quoting an obvious work of fiction with its own concept of the underworld to say something about religion... That's twice in one day you've implied I'm "strange." Not strange, just familiar with territory you have not thoroughly explored. I'm making an in depth comparison of the books and movies for The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I'm reading the book as far as one movie disc goes, then watch that disc and so on. I'm still on the Hobbit, though I have read the books and seen the movies several times before. They can get mixed up in memory. The topic title is from about 2:07 on disc 3 of Lord of the Rings. The reply to @graham is from the song Into the West. Fiction can be a stunning tool to get to the truth, not that the Bible is fiction. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 16:06:58 GMT
You're quoting the film, but it's interesting that even though that exact dialogue isn't in the book, Jackson is quoting from two different parts of the books: the first being a dream Frodo has in Fellowship, and the second being in Return when Frodo recalls that dream. Of course, it's rather strange your quoting an obvious work of fiction with its own concept of the underworld to say something about religion... ... the play's the thing Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 17:30:52 GMT
Fiction can be a stunning tool to get to the truth, not that the Bible is fiction. No, of course not. That would be... um. Now I think about it, it would explain a lot. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 18:52:56 GMT
Fiction can be a stunning tool to get to the truth, not that the Bible is fiction. No, of course not. That would be... um. Now I think about it, it would explain a lot. The really funny thing is that as obsessed as you are with "truth" and "science" how much of it escapes you. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 19:35:49 GMT
No, of course not. That would be... um. Now I think about it, it would explain a lot. The really funny thing is that as obsessed as you are with "truth" and "science" how much of it escapes you. Oh yes, there's plenty of truth and science that escapes me. The main difference between you and I is that I know this about me, whilst you remain oblivious of the same thing about you - even though in your case, it's to a much greater extent. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 25, 2018 19:56:54 GMT
The really funny thing is that as obsessed as you are with "truth" and "science" how much of it escapes you. Oh yes, there's plenty of truth and science that escapes me. The main difference between you and I is that I know this about me, whilst you remain oblivious of the same thing about you - even though in your case, it's to a much greater extent. 3 points for rephrasing "I know you are, but what am I." Total 3/10. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 20:18:12 GMT
Oh yes, there's plenty of truth and science that escapes me. The main difference between you and I is that I know this about me, whilst you remain oblivious of the same thing about you - even though in your case, it's to a much greater extent. 3 points for rephrasing "I know you are, but what am I." Total 3/10. Case in point. |
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Post by goz on Mar 25, 2018 23:40:39 GMT
Or not, as the case may be. What can you see On the horizon? Why do the white gulls Call? Now, as luck would have it, I live 50 metres from the sea, and can see the horizon. AS always in nature, the view near the horizon has a multiplicity of views though the actual horizon is a very slight curve and usually various shades of silvers, greys and blues/greens, depending on the time of day and light and weather.. I can also hear the white gulls calling, though the most common gull near me, the Silver Gull is not a loud nor frequent caller. It mainly calls when feeding in groups as a warning and when mating. I hope this helps. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 26, 2018 1:39:58 GMT
You're quoting the film, but it's interesting that even though that exact dialogue isn't in the book, Jackson is quoting from two different parts of the books: the first being a dream Frodo has in Fellowship, and the second being in Return when Frodo recalls that dream. Of course, it's rather strange your quoting an obvious work of fiction with its own concept of the underworld to say something about religion... That's twice in one day you've implied I'm "strange." Not strange, just familiar with territory you have not thoroughly explored. I'm making an in depth comparison of the books and movies for The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I'm reading the book as far as one movie disc goes, then watch that disc and so on. I'm still on the Hobbit, though I have read the books and seen the movies several times before. They can get mixed up in memory. The topic title is from about 2:07 on disc 3 of Lord of the Rings. The reply to @graham is from the song Into the West. Fiction can be a stunning tool to get to the truth, not that the Bible is fiction. First, I don't recall implying you were strange earlier today. Second, that said, you ARE strange; but being strange is a good thing in my book. It makes people interesting. Knowing things others don't know is a good way to be strange (in your case though, it's more that you don't know what others know but are convinced you do). That's certainly an interesting way to experience LOTR. I read the books as a kid, watched the films as a teenager, and then reread the books a few years after the films. That particular quote is one thing that stuck with me. FWIW, I think The Hobbit works better in book form and LOTR works better in film form, though I know many will think that's blasphemous to say. I like Tolkien better in his witty brevity mode than in his epic prolix mode. I think the films capture the grandeur of LOTR better, but utterly miss the charm of The Hobbit. You'll get no argument from me about fiction being a great tool to get to the truth, but that's different than taking fiction literally as many fundamentalists do with The Bible. You're quoting the film, but it's interesting that even though that exact dialogue isn't in the book, Jackson is quoting from two different parts of the books: the first being a dream Frodo has in Fellowship, and the second being in Return when Frodo recalls that dream. Of course, it's rather strange your quoting an obvious work of fiction with its own concept of the underworld to say something about religion... ... the play's the thing Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king. Better yet: ...the purpose of playing, whose end, both at the first and now, was and is, to hold, as 'twere, the mirror up to nature... |
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Post by goz on Mar 26, 2018 5:09:59 GMT
That's twice in one day you've implied I'm "strange." Not strange, just familiar with territory you have not thoroughly explored. I'm making an in depth comparison of the books and movies for The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I'm reading the book as far as one movie disc goes, then watch that disc and so on. I'm still on the Hobbit, though I have read the books and seen the movies several times before. They can get mixed up in memory. The topic title is from about 2:07 on disc 3 of Lord of the Rings. The reply to @graham is from the song Into the West. Fiction can be a stunning tool to get to the truth, not that the Bible is fiction. First, I don't recall implying you were strange earlier today. Second, that said, you ARE strange; but being strange is a good thing in my book. It makes people interesting. Knowing things others don't know is a good way to be strange (in your case though, it's more that you don't know what others know but are convinced you do). That's certainly an interesting way to experience LOTR. I read the books as a kid, watched the films as a teenager, and then reread the books a few years after the films. That particular quote is one thing that stuck with me. FWIW, I think The Hobbit works better in book form and LOTR works better in film form, though I know many will think that's blasphemous to say. I like Tolkien better in his witty brevity mode than in his epic prolix mode. I think the films capture the grandeur of LOTR better, but utterly miss the charm of The Hobbit. You'll get no argument from me about fiction being a great tool to get to the truth, but that's different than taking fiction literally as many fundamentalists do with The Bible. ... the play's the thing Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king. Better yet: ...the purpose of playing, whose end, both at the first and now, was and is, to hold, as 'twere, the mirror up to nature... TBO IF I didn't think that Arlon wasn't 'strange' in a good way...I would never bother answer him. He is antideluvian, elderly and having made a bloody good go at being relevant. I love you Arlon |
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 29, 2018 9:30:50 GMT
What can you see On the horizon? Why do the white gulls Call? Now, as luck would have it, I live 50 metres from the sea, and can see the horizon. AS always in nature, the view near the horizon has a multiplicity of views though the actual horizon is a very slight curve and usually various shades of silvers, greys and blues/greens, depending on the time of day and light and weather.. I can also hear the white gulls calling, though the most common gull near me, the Silver Gull is not a loud nor frequent caller. It mainly calls when feeding in groups as a warning and when mating. I hope this helps. The Atlantic Ocean is about 60 to 70 miles from Richmond, Virginia. Seagulls spend from November to March (middling or so) hanging out near large parking lots in the city of Richmond. Large shopping centers usually have several restaurants. Sometimes people spill food on the lots. Presently the seagulls have gone back to wherever it is they go during the warmer weather. Richmond's temporary gulls do not call much either. The calls one does hear are from the Canada Goose. Some of those are no longer migratory and frequent artificial ponds and lakes in Richmond year round. "Three Lakes Park" (those are artificial lakes) was one of several parks I helped maintain as an employee of the park service. |
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Post by goz on Mar 30, 2018 21:29:45 GMT
Now, as luck would have it, I live 50 metres from the sea, and can see the horizon. AS always in nature, the view near the horizon has a multiplicity of views though the actual horizon is a very slight curve and usually various shades of silvers, greys and blues/greens, depending on the time of day and light and weather.. I can also hear the white gulls calling, though the most common gull near me, the Silver Gull is not a loud nor frequent caller. It mainly calls when feeding in groups as a warning and when mating. I hope this helps. The Atlantic Ocean is about 60 to 70 miles from Richmond, Virginia. Seagulls spend from November to March (middling or so) hanging out near large parking lots in the city of Richmond. Large shopping centers usually have several restaurants. Sometimes people spill food on the lots. Presently the seagulls have gone back to wherever it is they go during the warmer weather. Richmond's temporary gulls do not call much either. The calls one does hear are from the Canada Goose. Some of those are no longer migratory and frequent artificial ponds and lakes in Richmond year round. "Three Lakes Park" (those are artificial lakes) was one of several parks I helped maintain as an employee of the park service.As a journalist/philosopher/scientist... I think you make a truly excellent park ranger/gardener. |
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