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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 2:42:05 GMT
When Nick Fury told Steve Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years, Steve Rogers never even asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?". Any soldier in that situation would've immediately asked who won the war.
For example, in The Philadelphia Experiment, David Herdeg (a sailor in the US Navy) and his pal were accidentally transported from WW2 to 1984. When Herdeg asked a civilian (Allison Hayes) what the date was, she said "the 17th". Herdeg then asked her what year it was and she said "1984". Upon learning that he was in 1984, the 1st question that Herdeg asked was "Who won the war?"
Steve Rogers never even asked "Who won the war?" Why didn't Steve Rogers care about who won WW2?
Some MCU fans claim that Steve Rogers knew who won the war because the signs in Times Square were in English. That is the stupidest argument ever. Saying that Steve Rogers could assume the Allies won WW2 because the signs in Times Square were in English is as stupid as saying that if a Japanese soldier was frozen in WW2 and woke up in 2011 in Tokyo, he could assume that Japan won WW2 because the signs in Tokyo are in Japanese. That's how stupid that argument is.
The fact is Steve Rogers didn't know who won WW2 when he first found out that he was in 2011, but Steve Rogers didn't ask about it because Steve Rogers didn't care about it. Steve Rogers never gave a shit about WW2.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 2:47:30 GMT
Cool story bro.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Mar 26, 2018 3:40:21 GMT
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Post by blockbusted on Mar 26, 2018 3:52:54 GMT
I’m surprised that he hated ‘Fant4stic’. It’s almost entirely made out of expositions, something that he seems to want from MCU films.
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Post by harpospoke on Mar 26, 2018 4:49:41 GMT
Man...the MCU is doing better than I thought. Marvel haters are pulling some muscles reaching for minutia to complain about.
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Post by femalefan on Mar 26, 2018 5:03:40 GMT
There is a deleted scene that shows Steve looking at files of the people he knew from the 40's. If he read about what happened to those like Peggy, he must have read about the end of WWII and events after it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 5:06:14 GMT
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 5:10:08 GMT
It wasn’t included in the movie therefore it doesn’t count derp de derp de derp.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 6:24:20 GMT
You do realize, don't you, that deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 6:34:08 GMT
You do realize, don't you, that deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie? Just like I predicted...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 26, 2018 7:05:00 GMT
You do realize, don't you, that deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie? It's not deleted or alternate, it's extended.
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Post by scabab on Mar 26, 2018 7:07:01 GMT
Well as the link in the above video makes clear, he did mention it. Wasn't in the final cut but rather obviously them having an alternate and shortened version of the scene wouldn't swap Captain America's character from caring about WW2 to not caring at all.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 7:12:45 GMT
You do realize, don't you, that deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie? It's not deleted or alternate, it's extended. If it's not in the theatrical release, then it's a deleted scene. And since it provides an alternate ending to what was shown in theaters, it's an alternate ending. And like I said in a previous post, deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie. For example, Superman: The Movie and about 70% of Superman II were filmed at the same time. Superman: The Movie had an alternate ending with Superman re-directing 1 of Luthor's rockets into space and the rocket blew up the phantom zone, releasing Zod, Ursa, and Non. That was supposed to be a cliffhanger ending leading into Superman II. But that wasn't shown in the threatrical release. Instead, the threatrical release had no cliffhanger ending for Superman: The Movie. And Superman II began with Superman saving Lois from the bomb in the elevator of the Eiffel Tower (which SMH ripped off by having Spider-Man save Liz from the explosion in the elevator of the Washington Monument) by taking the bomb into space, which blew up the phantom zone, releasing Zod, Ursa, and Non. Since that was in the threatrical release, we have to go by that and not by what was in the deleted scene that was never shown in the theatrical release. Same with First Avenger. We have to go by what was shown in the theatrical release (Cap never asking about who won WW2 because Cap never gave a shit about WW2) rather than what's in a deleted scene.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 7:14:15 GMT
It's not deleted or alternate, it's extended. If it's not in the theatrical release, then it's a deleted scene. And since it provides an alternate ending to what was shown in theaters, it's an alternate ending. L.O.L.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 7:16:02 GMT
Well as the link in the above video makes clear, he did mention it. Wasn't in the final cut but rather obviously them having an alternate and shortened version of the scene wouldn't swap Captain America's character from caring about WW2 to not caring at all. What are you talking about? They obviously didn’t include that part in the theatrical cut because they decided they didn’t want Captain America to care about WW2!
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 26, 2018 7:16:48 GMT
Well as the link in the above video makes clear, he did mention it. Wasn't in the final cut but rather obviously them having an alternate and shortened version of the scene wouldn't swap Captain America's character from caring about WW2 to not caring at all. Actually, since the scene wasn't in the theatrical release, it's a deleted scene, which isn't officially considered part of the movie. So we can't assume that Steve Rogers cared about who won WW2 and we can only go by what was actually shown in the movie - that Steve Rogers never asked who won the war because he didn't give a shit about WW2. Deleted scenes and alternate endings aren't officially considered part of the actual movie. For example, Superman: The Movie and about 70% of Superman II were filmed at the same time. Superman: The Movie had an alternate ending with Superman re-directing 1 of Luthor's rockets into space and the rocket blew up the phantom zone, releasing Zod, Ursa, and Non. That was supposed to be a cliffhanger ending leading into Superman II. But that wasn't shown in the threatrical release. Instead, the threatrical release had no cliffhanger ending for Superman: The Movie. And Superman II began with Superman saving Lois from the bomb in the elevator of the Eiffel Tower (which SMH ripped off by having Spider-Man save Liz from the explosion in the elevator of the Washington Monument) by taking the bomb into space, which blew up the phantom zone, releasing Zod, Ursa, and Non. Since that was in the threatrical release, we have to go by that and not by what was in the deleted scene that was never shown in the theatrical release. Same with First Avenger. We have to go by what was shown in the theatrical release (Cap never asking about who won WW2 because Cap never gave a shit about WW2) rather than what's in a deleted scene.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Mar 26, 2018 7:39:22 GMT
This thread is (unintentional) comedy gold.
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Post by scabab on Mar 26, 2018 7:54:55 GMT
Yeah you're looking at it a bit too deep. The writer of the movie wrote a script with characters a certain way. In this script he would cared about WW2 and so it was filmed that way.
Just because that bit of dialogue along with other things were cut doesn't just make his character go a 180.
They cut out him asking how he was alive as well. So what? Does he not care that he's alive? Is Captain America suicidal now?
It's just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
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Post by sostie on Mar 26, 2018 9:14:40 GMT
When Nick Fury told Steve Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years, Steve Rogers never even asked "Who won the war?"....yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn Wow, you haven't been this active since the run up to Wonder Woman's Oscar nomination announcements.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 26, 2018 14:12:29 GMT
When Nick Fury told Steve Rogers that he had been asleep for 70 years, Steve Rogers never even asked "Who won the war?" or "Did we win the war?". Any soldier in that situation would've immediately asked who won the war. For example, in The Philadelphia Experiment, David Herdeg (a sailor in the US Navy) and his pal were accidentally transported from WW2 to 1984. When Herdeg asked a civilian (Allison Hayes) what the date was, she said "the 17th". Herdeg then asked her what year it was and she said "1984". Upon learning that he was in 1984, the 1st question that Herdeg asked was "Who won the war?" Steve Rogers never even asked "Who won the war?" Why didn't Steve Rogers care about who won WW2? Some MCU fans claim that Steve Rogers knew who won the war because the signs in Times Square were in English. That is the stupidest argument ever. Saying that Steve Rogers could assume the Allies won WW2 because the signs in Times Square were in English is as stupid as saying that if a Japanese soldier was frozen in WW2 and woke up in 2011 in Tokyo, he could assume that Japan won WW2 because the signs in Tokyo are in Japanese. That's how stupid that argument is. The fact is Steve Rogers didn't know who won WW2 when he first found out that he was in 2011, but Steve Rogers didn't ask about it because Steve Rogers didn't care about it. Steve Rogers never gave a shit about WW2. Now you're just repeating yourself. I'd get evaluated for Alzheimers if I were you.
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