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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 0:51:01 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 1, 2018 1:39:37 GMT
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 1, 2018 1:42:29 GMT
Wrong board, mate. Science fiction is that way 👉
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 1, 2018 3:03:40 GMT
< video on how humans evolved > There are quite a large number of people who believe most of that. Some of them are actually highly intelligent, far above average. Some are not. Some can be far below average. Do you know how to tell the difference? The intelligent ones are capable of showing how they know such things, or how they came to whatever degree of certainty it is they have. Because they saw them on a fancy Youtube video is not how they know things. People of remarkably low intelligence believe things simply because they saw them on a fancy Youtube video. That particular video is like far too many things on the internet. It contains data, but it is in "raw" form. It does not build a case for the certainty of its conclusions, such as they might be. For the certainty of its conclusions it depends on the sort of things that people of remarkably low intelligence typically do. For example, "if this were not true could we make a fancy Youtube video?" Or, "this is what most people believe to be true, notice our click count." Real scientists do use audio and video equipment in their work, but the video you linked is not an example of that. It is specifically for people who learn things by rote for whatever reasons. The expression "by rote" is often used disparagingly. However there are quite many things it can be very efficient and serendipitous to learn by rote. People who do what they are told without questioning it can save themselves and others a lot of trouble, heartache and precious time. They don't need to repeat the mistakes made in the process of arriving at the truth. Constantly retesting things is not efficient. The details of the advancement of living things throughout time are rather voluminous and would take quite many semesters of college and already took quite expensive field work. So please note that I am not complaining about you learning by rote where that makes sense. There is a tiny problem with rote though. Sometimes people who do what they are told without questioning it get bad leaders. Whether they or the leaders are to blame can depend. Sometimes they themselves choose bad leaders. Sometimes unscrupulous leaders deliberately deceive them. Then mistakes get made again and the process needs to repeat its long way back to good order. A glaring argument your video deftly avoids is the "tornado in a junkyard" one. Many people claim that the junkyard scenario is not analogous to the way biological systems develop. Others actually believe that given enough billion years tornadoes will assemble working automobiles. Decades of research however have shown that there is a valid analogy, however loose, between the assembly of automobiles by tornadoes and the assembly of life by such natural agencies as could possibly exist given what remains today on Earth. And the likelihood of either is zero. Each assembly absolutely requires an agency that is not in the scenario. Your video failed to explain the origin of the prokaryote. At one time people who do what they are told without questioning it followed the rules from their religion like the Ten Commandments (on television tonight). Lately though many of them no longer recognize their religion as an authority. They have accepted godless authorities and mindlessly repeat things from them, for example your video. People who do what they are told without questioning it often believe they have sound reasons for what they do other than simply because they were told. It is interesting for example why they believe all men must wear their hair short like very little boys. On close inspection it is a rule they follow first and explain later, but not very well.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 1, 2018 3:07:38 GMT
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 1, 2018 3:10:40 GMT
< video on how humans evolved > A glaring argument your video deftly avoids is the "tornado in a junkyard" one. Many people claim that the junkyard scenario is not analogous to the way biological systems develop. And those people are correct, your ignorance on the subject notwithstanding.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 1, 2018 3:49:51 GMT
A glaring argument your video deftly avoids is the "tornado in a junkyard" one. Many people claim that the junkyard scenario is not analogous to the way biological systems develop. And those people are correct, your ignorance on the subject notwithstanding. Those people are the type I described so well you found it embarrassing and snipped out. They are not "correct," they mindlessly repeat things.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 1, 2018 4:35:44 GMT
And those people are correct, your ignorance on the subject notwithstanding. Those people are the type I described so well you found it embarrassing and snipped out. They are not "correct," they mindlessly repeat things. I find your ramblings embarrassing for you, not for me. I did you a favor. They are indeed correct as they're "repeating" the people that actually do understand this stuff, which isn't you. We used to have one of them that worked in the field that posted on here and would correct such stupid assertions.
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Post by goz on Apr 1, 2018 21:48:09 GMT
Wrong board, mate. Science fiction is that way 👉 You are joking right? I mean I KNOW that you and Erjen are really really cretinously stupid, butt do you seriously NOT believe in the science of evolution? In this day and age, WITH the benefit of an education? If so, WOW, just WOW!
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 2, 2018 11:24:25 GMT
Wrong board, mate. Science fiction is that way 👉 You are joking right? I mean I KNOW that you and Erjen are really really cretinously stupid, butt do you seriously NOT believe in the science of evolution? In this day and age, WITH the benefit of an education? If so, WOW, just WOW! LOL I watched the video. And you atheists have the cheek to mock Christians for allegedly believing in absurd "fairytales"? Wow, GTFOH
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 13:54:06 GMT
< video on how humans evolved > There are quite a large number of people who believe most of that. Some of them are actually highly intelligent, far above average. Some are not. Some can be far below average. Do you know how to tell the difference? The intelligent ones are capable of showing how they know such things, or how they came to whatever degree of certainty it is they have. Because they saw them on a fancy Youtube video is not how they know things. People of remarkably low intelligence believe things simply because they saw them on a fancy Youtube video. That particular video is like far too many things on the internet. It contains data, but it is in "raw" form. It does not build a case for the certainty of its conclusions, such as they might be. For the certainty of its conclusions it depends on the sort of things that people of remarkably low intelligence typically do. For example, "if this were not true could we make a fancy Youtube video?" Or, "this is what most people believe to be true, notice our click count." Real scientists do use audio and video equipment in their work, but the video you linked is not an example of that. It is specifically for people who learn things by rote for whatever reasons. The expression "by rote" is often used disparagingly. However there are quite many things it can be very efficient and serendipitous to learn by rote. People who do what they are told without questioning it can save themselves and others a lot of trouble, heartache and precious time. They don't need to repeat the mistakes made in the process of arriving at the truth. Constantly retesting things is not efficient. The details of the advancement of living things throughout time are rather voluminous and would take quite many semesters of college and already took quite expensive field work. So please note that I am not complaining about you learning by rote where that makes sense. There is a tiny problem with rote though. Sometimes people who do what they are told without questioning it get bad leaders. Whether they or the leaders are to blame can depend. Sometimes they themselves choose bad leaders. Sometimes unscrupulous leaders deliberately deceive them. Then mistakes get made again and the process needs to repeat its long way back to good order. A glaring argument your video deftly avoids is the "tornado in a junkyard" one. Many people claim that the junkyard scenario is not analogous to the way biological systems develop. Others actually believe that given enough billion years tornadoes will assemble working automobiles. Decades of research however have shown that there is a valid analogy, however loose, between the assembly of automobiles by tornadoes and the assembly of life by such natural agencies as could possibly exist given what remains today on Earth. And the likelihood of either is zero. Each assembly absolutely requires an agency that is not in the scenario. Your video failed to explain the origin of the prokaryote. At one time people who do what they are told without questioning it followed the rules from their religion like the Ten Commandments (on television tonight). Lately though many of them no longer recognize their religion as an authority. They have accepted godless authorities and mindlessly repeat things from them, for example your video. People who do what they are told without questioning it often believe they have sound reasons for what they do other than simply because they were told. It is interesting for example why they believe all men must wear their hair short like very little boys. On close inspection it is a rule they follow first and explain later, but not very well. Therefore Jezuz, or aliens -n stuff...
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Post by phludowin on Apr 2, 2018 14:34:07 GMT
< video on how humans evolved > A glaring argument your video deftly avoids is the "tornado in a junkyard" one. Many people claim that the junkyard scenario is not analogous to the way biological systems develop. Others actually believe that given enough billion years tornadoes will assemble working automobiles. Decades of research however have shown that there is a valid analogy, however loose, between the assembly of automobiles by tornadoes and the assembly of life by such natural agencies as could possibly exist given what remains today on Earth. And the likelihood of either is zero. Each assembly absolutely requires an agency that is not in the scenario. Your video failed to explain the origin of the prokaryote. So what? The following Wikipedia article gives an overview about photovoltaics, and contains plenty of links. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotovoltaicsWould you dismiss it just because it doesn't explain where the Sun comes from?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 14:46:02 GMT
Arlon10And your religion has failed to explain the origin of God. So you're facing the same problem that atheists are supposedly faced with.
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Post by goz on Apr 2, 2018 22:25:15 GMT
You are joking right? I mean I KNOW that you and Erjen are really really cretinously stupid, butt do you seriously NOT believe in the science of evolution? In this day and age, WITH the benefit of an education? If so, WOW, just WOW! LOL I watched the video. And you atheists have the cheek to mock Christians for allegedly believing in absurd "fairytales"? Wow, GTFOH I guess I have my answer then. I have heard about people who are either so brainwashed and/or dumb that they don't accept the science of evolution butt this is out there, to actually have someone who actually does this, in real life. There is no-one in my circles of educated people who come anywhere close to being Creationists because it is so backward, even though I have many Christian friends. I guess I had to come on an American based message board to find the phenomenon, in all its mindless ignorant glory, or is Cody a Brit? I know Arlon is from the US. Again, just wow. The bigger question, of course is why they are here typing on modern computer technology, driving in cars and watching movies and TV with such acceptance of science in other areas and yet they illogically dismiss the science of evolution.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Apr 3, 2018 1:41:39 GMT
LOL I watched the video. And you atheists have the cheek to mock Christians for allegedly believing in absurd "fairytales"? Wow, GTFOH I guess I have my answer then. I have heard about people who are either so brainwashed and/or dumb that they don't accept the science of evolution butt this is out there, to actually have someone who actually does this, in real life. There is no-one in my circles of educated people who come anywhere close to being Creationists because it is so backward, even though I have many Christian friends. I guess I had to come on an American based message board to find the phenomenon, in all its mindless ignorant glory, or is Cody a Brit? I know Arlon is from the US. Again, just wow. The bigger question, of course is why they are here typing on modern computer technology, driving in cars and watching movies and TV with such acceptance of science in other areas and yet they illogically dismiss the science of evolution. About 1/3 of Americans reject evolution completely. It's a sad but true figure. Though evolution is taught in schools, most kids raised in fundamentalist Christian homes are exposed to The Bible long before evolution and told The Bible is true, and many parents will even tell kids evolution is wrong before they even encounter it in schools. That was certainly true in my case, so by the time I read about evolution in school I just assumed it was false because my parents said so. Luckily I eventually learned to think for myself. FWIW, I'm not sure if Arlon actually rejects evolution as opposed to abiogenesis. He certainly ignorantly conflates the two. Americans are happy to accept science so long as it doesn't conflict with their beliefs. I've often said the world would be a different place if people had to choose to follow either religion or science and couldn't have their cake and eat it too. While I know there are many areas where they don't conflict/are compatible, they certainly aren't when it comes to claims about how reality functions (or used to function as the case may be).
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 5, 2018 21:48:39 GMT
If the question is, "where did the Sun come from?." yes, I would dismiss it.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 5, 2018 21:51:49 GMT
Arlon10 And your religion has failed to explain the origin of God. So you're facing the same problem that atheists are supposedly faced with. While natural phenomena are restricted to formation and dissolution, supernatural phenomena are possibly not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 0:00:59 GMT
Arlon10 And your religion has failed to explain the origin of God. So you're facing the same problem that atheists are supposedly faced with. While natural phenomena are restricted to formation and dissolution, supernatural phenomena are possibly not. Anything that exists has to be part of nature. You can't just say that the rules are different for what you believe in, because you say so.
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Post by phludowin on Apr 6, 2018 5:48:27 GMT
If the question is, "where did the Sun come from?." yes, I would dismiss it. And the video does not adress the question where the prokaryotes came from. Just how evolution occurred from the prokaryotes on. So, what was your point again?
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