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Post by jriddle73 on Mar 13, 2017 5:48:19 GMT
...Carol is troubled by thoughts of what may have happened back at the Safe Zone when Negan appeared. A few eps ago, she talked to Daryl but in order to further artificially prolong her exile, the writers had Daryl lie to her and tell her no one back home was hurt. She goes looking for answers at the Kingdom, encounters some zombies and we get an example of her abilities--she pulls up a road-sign, climbs up a tree and takes out the creatures while comfortably sitting there. Morgan won't tell her what really happened, insisting that what she discussed with Daryl is between she and Daryl. "Bury Me Here" offers multiple examples of the writers failing to watch their own show. When Morgan tells Carol she'll have to take up that matter with Daryl, for example, he tells her Daryl is back at the Safe Zone and repeatedly offers to go back there with her to talk with him. Daryl, of course, can't go back to the Safe Zone--he's a fugitive from the Saviors, who will be looking for him to return there. More to the point, Daryl, before he left the Kingdom, specifically told Morgan that he was going to Hilltop, not the Safe Zone. A few eps ago, after Ezekiel's man Richard had twice gotten into scuffles with one of the Saviors at the Kingdom's regular "tribute" meeting with the villains (more scene duplication), Ezekiel said Richard would no longer be attending those meetings. But--you guessed it!--tonight, there was Richard, attending the next one. Moreover, his presence was essential to the plot because he puts in motion a scheme to cause tension between the two groups, in a bid to try to convince Ezekiel to join with the other communities in making war on the Saviors. If this was the course to be taken, would it have been so difficult for the creators to simply remove that earlier line? Or just not have included it in the first place? For that matter, Ezekiel is being written as a half-wit for ever again having Richard attend those meetings after the first instance of trouble. Early in the ep, Morgan's young trainee at the Kingdom sees Carol take out those zombies from the tree and asks if he can watch her do her thing. He's trying to learn to fight. She turns him down. Later, he goes to fetch Morgan and brings his mentor a picture to hang on the wall. He knows a girl, he says, who fixed it up. He's reluctant to say more about her and gets some good-natured ribbing from Morgan over it. Seasoned viewers will recognize the pattern in this... The full article is here: cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/2017/03/walking-dead-90_13.html--- "The Dig" cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/
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Post by geezer on Mar 13, 2017 15:25:19 GMT
A pretty good episode, I feel in the context of this show. We at least have character change. Not realistic evolution or development, but at least a change to previous version(s). I heard a big "kachunk" of at least one tooth of this massive gear of plot progression move one tick forward. I guess that means next week will be a bottle episode of Father Gabriel and his mental and spiritual struggles. Or maybe Carl and Enid will have their own episode? Another roller-boogie date?
P.S. ...The black lady saying she pissed herself because of Ezekiel's tiger was a high point!
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Post by Matt on Mar 13, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
...Carol is troubled by thoughts of what may have happened back at the Safe Zone when Negan appeared. A few eps ago, she talked to Daryl but in order to further artificially prolong her exile, the writers had Daryl lie to her and tell her no one back home was hurt. She goes looking for answers at the Kingdom, encounters some zombies and we get an example of her abilities--she pulls up a road-sign, climbs up a tree and takes out the creatures while comfortably sitting there. Morgan won't tell her what really happened, insisting that what she discussed with Daryl is between she and Daryl. "Bury Me Here" offers multiple examples of the writers failing to watch their own show. When Morgan tells Carol she'll have to take up that matter with Daryl, for example, he tells her Daryl is back at the Safe Zone and repeatedly offers to go back there with her to talk with him. Daryl, of course, can't go back to the Safe Zone--he's a fugitive from the Saviors, who will be looking for him to return there. More to the point, Daryl, before he left the Kingdom, specifically told Morgan that he was going to Hilltop, not the Safe Zone. A few eps ago, after Ezekiel's man Richard had twice gotten into scuffles with one of the Saviors at the Kingdom's regular "tribute" meeting with the villains (more scene duplication), Ezekiel said Richard would no longer be attending those meetings. But--you guessed it!--tonight, there was Richard, attending the next one. Moreover, his presence was essential to the plot because he puts in motion a scheme to cause tension between the two groups, in a bid to try to convince Ezekiel to join with the other communities in making war on the Saviors. If this was the course to be taken, would it have been so difficult for the creators to simply remove that earlier line? Or just not have included it in the first place? For that matter, Ezekiel is being written as a half-wit for ever again having Richard attend those meetings after the first instance of trouble. Early in the ep, Morgan's young trainee at the Kingdom sees Carol take out those zombies from the tree and asks if he can watch her do her thing. He's trying to learn to fight. She turns him down. Later, he goes to fetch Morgan and brings his mentor a picture to hang on the wall. He knows a girl, he says, who fixed it up. He's reluctant to say more about her and gets some good-natured ribbing from Morgan over it. Seasoned viewers will recognize the pattern in this... The full article is here: cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/2017/03/walking-dead-90_13.html--- "The Dig" cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/I kind of see where you're coming from, but you have missed a few things from previous episodes, the first i want to point out is the Richard situation and while you're right about Ezekiel telling the Saviours he will no longer attend future meetings, you seemed to have missed/forgotten the head Saviour guys response, which was basically him telling Ezekiel that not only will Richard carry on coming if he wasn't present, there would be consequences, so for me, this is more of a case of you missing something that was clearly stated in that episode, rather than the writers making an error As for the Morgan, Carol, Darryl situation, i think you're over thinking this point, for me Morgan is speaking of the safe-zone/Alexandria as one thing, an area if you like and for me he mentions Alexandria specifically because Carol might want to speak with the people there, she knew those people and might want to be there for a while and to see the truth, it is also, at least for me, not a case of Morgan suggesting they go there and only there, once in Alexandria, they could then go to the Hilltop to see Maggie, Sasha ect ect and as for Daryl, Morgan doesn't know his exact location, but it would be a safe assumption on his behalf, that once they get to Alexandria, someone might have a good idea where he is, so they could go from there, so again, i don't see it as an error on the writers part, but more giving the viewers enough to be able to put it together themselves As for the last part about Benjamin watching Carol kill the five Walkers, i have to disagree with your opinion on that scene, for me at no point does it actually say he watched or witnessed what she did or how she killed them (at least i didn't hear that, so sorry if it is stated and that i'm wrong) for me the two scenes we see them interacting, he just sees the five Walkers dead and that she took them out, with apparent ease and he was impressed and wanted to know how and how he could do something similar, he wanted to learn from her As for him dying, i think it's safe to assume he was going to die by the end of season 7, that's at least the feeling i got early on, he seemed like the one death that would get Ezekiel to stop holding back, although for a while, i did think Richard would die and that would kick Ezekiel into gear, but as the season has progressed, Richard seemed destined to die, but i wasn't sure how and after they kind of teased it, i started to wonder if he would be a season finale death, like he finally got his wish that they would fight back and before the war really even begins, he dies near enough straight away, so i was pleasantly surprised that he died at the hands of Morgan
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 13, 2017 20:34:20 GMT
Good Carol analysis. Better ep than the last 2.
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Post by Blue on Mar 14, 2017 4:20:33 GMT
It was a great episode. Lots of stuffed happened that generally can't be summed up in one sentence, unlike the last couple of episodes.
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Post by jriddle73 on Mar 14, 2017 7:05:08 GMT
A few people have pointed out variations on this today. Everyone seems to remember it differently! My own recollection was that Ezekiel said Richard would no longer be attending these gatherings and the Savior leader said that wouldn't solve the problem. I'm definitely going to look into it in the next day or two and make a correction, if necessary.
lol. I'd definitely say you were the one overthinking it. If we assume Morgan really was going to go with her to Alexandria, it would mean he's just passing the buck on telling her the truth, which she'd learn from someone else as soon as she arrived. The simplest, most obvious explanation is probably the correct one: the writers just screwed up.
My memory was that he actually watched her kill them but as it turns out, he only saw her kill the last one (unless he was watching from inside the gate). He watched her take out the last one with a look of near awe.
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Post by Matt on Mar 14, 2017 11:51:21 GMT
A few people have pointed out variations on this today. Everyone seems to remember it differently! My own recollection was that Ezekiel said Richard would no longer be attending these gatherings and the Savior leader said that wouldn't solve the problem. I'm definitely going to look into it in the next day or two and make a correction, if necessary. lol. I'd definitely say you were the one overthinking it. If we assume Morgan really was going to go with her to Alexandria, it would mean he's just passing the buck on telling her the truth, which she'd learn from someone else as soon as she arrived. The simplest, most obvious explanation is probably the correct one: the writers just screwed up. My memory was that he actually watched her kill them but as it turns out, he only saw her kill the last one (unless he was watching from inside the gate). He watched her take out the last one with a look of near awe. I'm 100% sure that i was right about the Richard thing The Morgan thing, well honestly, i find it hard to explain myself, especially in writing form, so where as someone else could probably say what i did in a couple of lines, i tend to ramble on a bit and it comes out as a mini essay, i don't always do it, but for the most part, i'm a rambler, lol As for the actual scene where Carol kills the 5 walkers, i didn't like it at all, i just think while we've seen walkers being stabbed ect easily before, that sigh post Carol used wasn't even a pointed end and they just walked into it, i mean it didn't even look like she had it planted anywhere and was just holding it and i just felt like they could have done that scene so much better, i'm not even sure why she climbed the tree, how spaced out they seemed, well as they walked into the sign post pole one at a time, she could have just knifed them, but oh well, it's TWD, they have to do something silly sometimes, lol
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Post by geezer on Mar 14, 2017 21:01:37 GMT
Another false gag the show repeats over and over: "the decayed skull". Skulls and bones do not decay like flesh, yet the show has all the zombies with soft skulls like fragile eggshells! The reality would be broken knife blades and knives and machetes stuck in skulls, which has only been shown a couple of times. It was pretty funny how the zombies in this show just walked into the post and killed themselves. Hell last season they had the herd just walking into a wall and their heads exploding!
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Post by jriddle73 on Mar 15, 2017 20:58:25 GMT
Added an update correcting the business about Gavin insisting Richard continue attending the Kingdom/Saviors meetings. --- "The Dig" cinemarchaeologist.blogspot.com/
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Post by katholiday on Mar 15, 2017 21:49:52 GMT
OMG! JESUS! Even "Walking Dead" Jesus! It's just a show guys... These patterns aren't gonna change! What do you guys expect! It's a bloody zombie-show for cryin' out loud! You want them to go crazy every week, move to Z-Nation... Every week they throw the baby-out-with the bath water! I write reviews... I've even made a video in honor of all of this silliness... But it's still just a TV show guys! Relax!
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