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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 1:40:23 GMT
The X-Men films don't do that, they keep going for that bankrupt "grounded" approach that nearly destroyed CBMs. That's pretty much the complete opposite of what happened. After the comic book zaniness of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, it was thanks to movies like X-men and Spider-man why they are still making these movies today. Nah, I think Blade would've been enough to keep the genre going on his own.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 5, 2018 7:34:07 GMT
That's pretty much the complete opposite of what happened. After the comic book zaniness of Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, it was thanks to movies like X-men and Spider-man why they are still making these movies today. Nah, I think Blade would've been enough to keep the genre going on his own. This notion has been completely debunked by the fact that the franchise has been forgotten completely and most people didn’t(and still don’t) know Blade was a superhero. Not to mention had mediocre reception.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 5, 2018 10:38:03 GMT
Finally! Someone else who agreed with me about Superman's death!That didn't feel like it was earned, there was no emotional connection to Clark Kent for us, the audience, to care about Superman's death. The funeral was shot well, i'll give Snyder that, but honestly i was more annoyed by it. That's why Marvel in general, Both the X-Men films and MCU films, have been kicking ass lately. They Earned Logan, They earned Civil War, because they have been laying down the ground work for them. Could you imagine if Fox made Logan right after the first X-Men film? It would be terrible! I have never met, nor spoken to, ANYONE who thought killing Superman was a good idea. Your fallacy is as anecdotal as it is revealing. Be mindful of them.
Also "killing"? It's pretty obvious that the vision of the Snyder trilogy was to have the origins of the hero, his conflict and death, and in the last film, his resurrection. Apart from that, Superman death promted the completion of Batflecks character arc from loner vigilante to someone leading and founding the JL. That is more than any of the numerous faux-deaths in the MCU meant.
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Post by scabab on Apr 5, 2018 11:38:31 GMT
Yeah Blade wasn't that well known as even being a comic character nor is it really thought of much as a superhero movie. It was really more of a 90's R rated action movie if anything at a time when those movies were really popular. It was successful but only a mild one too.
X-men and Spider-man is what it going again and made it what it is now.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 11:55:34 GMT
I have never met, nor spoken to, ANYONE who thought killing Superman was a good idea. Your fallacy is as anecdotal as it is revealing. Be mindful of them.
Also "killing"? It's pretty obvious that the vision of the Snyder trilogy was
Stupid, right from the start. Using Superman's death to develop someone ELSE is a waste as that character should've had their own stories to deal with that, and Superman doesn't need to die to undergo a character arc. In fact, even having died and been reborn he still hasn't had much of an arc.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 5, 2018 12:17:12 GMT
Your fallacy is as anecdotal as it is revealing. Be mindful of them.
Also "killing"? It's pretty obvious that the vision of the Snyder trilogy was
Stupid, right from the start. Amazing, everything you just said was just that. You seem not to know what an arc is. You really should stick with not being ashamed of comic books.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 12:23:10 GMT
Stupid, right from the start. You seem not to know what an arc is. I know it's not what Snyder did with Superman. Killing a character so they'll be different when the return to life is epic poor storytelling.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 5, 2018 12:39:14 GMT
You seem not to know what an arc is. I know it's not what Snyder did with Superman. Killing a character so they'll be different when the return to life is epic poor storytelling. quod erat demonstrandum
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 12:44:55 GMT
I know it's not what Snyder did with Superman. Killing a character so they'll be different when the return to life is epic poor storytelling. quod erat demonstrandum
Thus it is proven...that Snyder's storytelling is crap. Killing off characters and saying it's character development is a lazy excuse for real character development, always has been.
He tried the same thing with Babydoll in Sucker Punch with her choosing lobotomy because she couldn't handle reality, didn't work there either.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 5, 2018 13:23:42 GMT
quod erat demonstrandum
Thus it is proven...that Snyder's storytelling is crap. Killing off characters and saying it's character development is a lazy excuse for real character development, always has been.
lol, MCU fans talking about crappy storytelling is like the pot calling the glass-kettle black while throwing infinity stones.
Like the ultra messy and poorly thought-through Thor trilogy where every film contradicts the other in tone, theme and character development and it ends in a merry Fraggleorck bromance?
Or like Cap where each film is either a rip off of greater franchises, or a Hail-Hydra laser-gun-in-WWII travesty, or a messy Avengers+ film without the main Hydra villains or dangling plot point resolutions. Let me not even start on Iron Man or Raccoon Turd movies. Dance off, turd blossom
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 14:05:39 GMT
lol, MCU fans talking about crappy storytelling We had years of watching The FoX-Men movies and any of DC's screw-ups, before the MCU started showing people there was nothing wrong with being unpretentious and unashamed. We know from watching that garbage. No, just the well-done Thor trilogy with a variety in tone and storytelling. As opposed to making every movie the same in tone, which is the lazy way out. It's called variety. Rather well done, with Loki and Thor's characters. Wish Xavier and Magneto could actually develop instead of staying the same. Well made and again enjoys variety. You mean like Wonder Woman and her magic gas in WWI? You mean the one that didn't pretend it was in a vacuum where only Cap existed, and chose to do something new instead of something lazy like not have new characters and bring back Hydra for yet another film instead of something creative like bringing in other heroes? Naturalistic dialog and people who act like people instead of flawless paragons. Wish X-Men or DC could bother with that.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 5, 2018 14:53:18 GMT
I have never met, nor spoken to, ANYONE who thought killing Superman was a good idea. Your fallacy is as anecdotal as it is revealing. Be mindful of them.
Also "killing"? It's pretty obvious that the vision of the Snyder trilogy was to have the origins of the hero, his conflict and death, and in the last film, his resurrection. Apart from that, Superman death promted the completion of Batflecks character arc from loner vigilante to someone leading and founding the JL. That is more than any of the numerous faux-deaths in the MCU meant.
Killing Superman is a fine idea for comic books. Awful idea for films. Different media have different narrative requirements. The kid can die in the book Cujo, not the movie.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 5, 2018 15:58:00 GMT
Your fallacy is as anecdotal as it is revealing. Be mindful of them.
Also "killing"? It's pretty obvious that the vision of the Snyder trilogy was to have the origins of the hero, his conflict and death, and in the last film, his resurrection. Apart from that, Superman death promted the completion of Batflecks character arc from loner vigilante to someone leading and founding the JL. That is more than any of the numerous faux-deaths in the MCU meant.
Killing Superman is a fine idea for comic books. Awful idea for films. Different media have different narrative requirements. The kid can die in the book Cujo, not the movie. Why can't the kid die?
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 5, 2018 16:03:38 GMT
Killing Superman is a fine idea for comic books. Awful idea for films. Different media have different narrative requirements. The kid can die in the book Cujo, not the movie. Why can't the kid die? In the film, it becomes too dark. You SEE it. It has a real woman standing there wailing over a little boy, there's a musical score. It's a more visceral experience as opposed to a cerebral one. Stephen King, master of horror, the guy who wrote it that way in the first place has always agreed with this. The kid dying was the right ending for the book. The kid living was the right ending for the movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 16:06:12 GMT
Sometimes killing kids in films can work...
...The Blob 1988 version had it, and it was horrifying.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 5, 2018 17:06:05 GMT
Sometimes killing kids in films can work... ...The Blob 1988 version had it, and it was horrifying. Never said it can't. But to think that because "The Death of Superman" was a great concept for a Comic book, doesn't make it a good concept for a film meant for mass consumption. Particularly as the second appearance of a new version of the single most iconic superhero ever concieved. Particualrly the iconic superhero that people who know absolutely nothing about comic books love, revere and care about. When BvS was announced, the comic fanboys went "YES!!!" EVERYONE ELSE went..."Wait? Why are they fighting? Aren't they friends? What's going on? Superman would 100% win and why, again, are they fighting in the first place? This is stupid."
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Post by formersamhmd on Apr 5, 2018 18:12:58 GMT
Sometimes killing kids in films can work... ...The Blob 1988 version had it, and it was horrifying. Never said it can't. But to think that because "The Death of Superman" was a great concept for a Comic book, doesn't make it a good concept for a film meant for mass consumption. Particularly as the second appearance of a new version of the single most iconic superhero ever concieved. Particualrly the iconic superhero that people who know absolutely nothing about comic books love, revere and care about. Total agree. Why kill off the characters in his SECOND appearance?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 21:18:38 GMT
Never said it can't. But to think that because "The Death of Superman" was a great concept for a Comic book, doesn't make it a good concept for a film meant for mass consumption. Particularly as the second appearance of a new version of the single most iconic superhero ever concieved. Particualrly the iconic superhero that people who know absolutely nothing about comic books love, revere and care about. Total agree. Why kill off the characters in his SECOND appearance? Yeah, even though I really like the UE for adding some additional footage for Superman so that we can connect with him more it still felt rushed. They really should have waited to kill Supes until after the third MOS sequel.
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Post by Larcen26 on Apr 6, 2018 1:24:41 GMT
Total agree. Why kill off the characters in his SECOND appearance? Yeah, even though I really like the UE for adding some additional footage for Superman so that we can connect with him more it still felt rushed. Thet really should have waited to kill Supes until after the third MOS sequel. Or... ya know..... NOT killed him.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 6, 2018 3:06:44 GMT
Thus it is proven...that Snyder's storytelling is crap. Killing off characters and saying it's character development is a lazy excuse for real character development, always has been.
lol, MCU fans talking about crappy storytelling is like the pot calling the glass-kettle black while throwing infinity stones.
Like the ultra messy and poorly thought-through Thor trilogy where every film contradicts the other in tone, theme and character development and it ends in a merry Fraggleorck bromance?
Or like Cap where each film is either a rip off of greater franchises, or a Hail-Hydra laser-gun-in-WWII travesty, or a messy Avengers+ film without the main Hydra villains or dangling plot point resolutions. Let me not even start on Iron Man or Raccoon Turd movies. Dance off, turd blossom
Getting into arguments over comic book movies daily... Other people on this board are “manchildren” but you aren’t, right? Lol...
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