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Post by charzhino on Apr 8, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
all mcu fight scenes are the same, the same generic cgi stuff. most x-men movies are smart. they use all the money they have on cgi but their cgi has more quality to it. its laughable to compare ultron, and loki's army to the future sentinels in DOFP. beyond laughable. marvel's fight scenes are too cartoonish. I would say the ending to Winter Soldier is quite poetic similar to that eric lifting the submarine scene. Especially the slow motion footage in both scenes, really captures the intensity of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 22:06:25 GMT
The only problem is that the stakes are a bit low. No one is ever in real danger. T'Challa does really want to kill Bucky. And Rhodey got crippled so... 1) T'Challa does not fight Bucky in this sequence. That hardly factors in. 2) That happens at the END of the scene. It does not retroactively add stakes. Wrong on all counts, Daisy🌼 And of course you're going to focus on the one negative thing I said about it. Because why not?
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Post by Daisy on Apr 8, 2018 22:29:18 GMT
T'Challa does really want to kill Bucky. And Rhodey got crippled so... 1) T'Challa does not fight Bucky in this sequence. That hardly factors in. 2) That happens at the END of the scene. It does not retroactively add stakes. Wrong on all counts, Daisy🌼 And of course you're going to focus on the one negative thing I said about it. Because why not? 1. He wanted to fight and kill him, that's what matters. 2. It shows that people can get hurt no matter the intentions.
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Post by scabab on Apr 8, 2018 22:43:14 GMT
Even now I've had to delete a whole bunch of posts because it was turning into a competition again. This topic has nothing to do with X-men or criticisms of the action scenes.
It was just a simple question of what action scenes you most enjoyed. If you enjoyed none of them then you have nothing to add.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Apr 9, 2018 0:05:10 GMT
In no particular order:
The Avengers - Battle of New York: Any comic book fanboy/girl who bought their ticket to see the film, bought it for this very moment. All 6 Avengers working together and fighting off an Alien invasion.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - Steve vs The Winter Soldier on the street/highway: Well shot and choreography!
Daredevil season 1: Hallway fight. Again well choreography.
The Incredible Hulk - Hulk vs Abomination: a fun Monster brawl. Although the CG didn't exactly age well.
The Avengers: Age of Ultron: there is actually two action scenes that I liked
1. Assault on Hydra's Stronghold: Avengers fighting and working together with them leaping into frame like the pages of the comics.
2. The Battle for Sokavia: like scabs said, it's not as good as the Battle of New York, but still a great action scene with the Avengers kicking ass.
Daredevil season 2: Punisher hallway fight: pretty awesome and brutal.
The Punisher season 1 - The Ambush: The Punisher ambushed the mercenaries at their hideout, best scene in the entire first season.
Thor Ragnarok - Thor and friends vs Hell: the lighting scene alone was pretty badass. But hella destroying Thor in a fight was oddly satisfying. Plus Hulk vs the giant wolf!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 0:48:02 GMT
1) T'Challa does not fight Bucky in this sequence. That hardly factors in. 2) That happens at the END of the scene. It does not retroactively add stakes. Wrong on all counts, Daisy🌼 And of course you're going to focus on the one negative thing I said about it. Because why not? 1. He wanted to fight and kill him, that's what matters. 2. It shows that people can get hurt no matter the intentions. 1) T'Challa is NOT the main focus of the fight. Far from it. Most of the characters are pulling their punches here. 2. Same point. It happens at the END of the scene! It does not retroactively add tension to the fight that we already watched. And again, I love this fight sequence. Its quite telling that you're only focusing on the last bit of my post. GIVE DAISY THE TULIPS!!!!!!4!!!!5!!!!!!6!!!
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Post by Daisy on Apr 9, 2018 0:57:51 GMT
1. He wanted to fight and kill him, that's what matters. 2. It shows that people can get hurt no matter the intentions. 1) T'Challa is NOT the main focus of the fight. Far from it. Most of the characters are pulling their punches here. 2. Same point. It happens at the END of the scene! It does not retroactively add tension to the fight that we already watched. And again, I love this fight sequence. Its quite telling that you're only focusing on the last bit of my post. GIVE DAISY THE TULIPS!!!!!!4!!!!5!!!!!!6!!! 1. Irrelevant. He's willing, and able, to kill. 2. The tension or lack thereof is in your mind. Someone was seriously injured. Therefore, the possibility for serious injury, or death, always existed, whether you perceived it or not.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 3:27:04 GMT
I'll bet most of my top 5 would be from Winter Soldier and Civil War.
The various characters pulling their punches in the airport scene was not a negative...that's a positive that added something unique to the fight scene which almost no other fight scenes have. The fact that they really didn't want to hurt each other was different than most fight scenes.
In case it was missed, "stakes" is fake. That's almost never a thing in fight scenes in movies. The good guy almost always wins...we know that going in...and we have been fine with it for 100 years in cinema and thousands of years before that in literature.
Hope Marvel ignores that nonsense. It already lost us a few characters (Yondu and most of the villains in Marvel movies). This idea that Cap or IM have to die for IW to be a good movie is ridiculous but I'm sure that's what we'll get.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 3:54:06 GMT
1) T'Challa is NOT the main focus of the fight. Far from it. Most of the characters are pulling their punches here. 2. Same point. It happens at the END of the scene! It does not retroactively add tension to the fight that we already watched. And again, I love this fight sequence. Its quite telling that you're only focusing on the last bit of my post. GIVE DAISY THE TULIPS!!!!!!4!!!!5!!!!!!6!!! 1. Irrelevant. He's willing, and able, to kill. 2. The tension or lack thereof is in your mind. Someone was seriously injured. Therefore, the possibility for serious injury, or death, always existed, whether you perceived it or not. You clearly don't know what I mean when I say it lacked stakes/tension. I mean there is nothing at stake for most of the characters. I'm talking about story not physical danger. GIVE DAISY THE PANSIES!!!!!!1!!!!!!
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 4:41:59 GMT
T'Challa does really want to kill Bucky. And Rhodey got crippled so... 1) T'Challa does not fight Bucky in this sequence. That hardly factors in. 2) That happens at the END of the scene. It does not retroactively add stakes. Wrong on all counts, Daisy🌼 And of course you're going to focus on the one negative thing I said about it. Because why not? The stakes are higher when you are fighting friends.
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Post by summers8 on Apr 9, 2018 6:12:38 GMT
speaking of black panther remember the huge complain of the dinosaurs looking animals, the bad cgi.
makes me wonder, avatar had something similar but with superior cgi and disney has more money than fox so how the hell did disney not make the cgi in panther look better.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Apr 9, 2018 6:48:38 GMT
speaking of black panther remember the huge complain of the dinosaurs looking animals, the bad cgi. makes me wonder, avatar had something similar but with superior cgi and disney has more money than fox so how the hell did disney not make the cgi in panther look better. I know you can’t write/type, but it seems you can’t read as well:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:08:51 GMT
1) T'Challa does not fight Bucky in this sequence. That hardly factors in. 2) That happens at the END of the scene. It does not retroactively add stakes. Wrong on all counts, Daisy🌼 And of course you're going to focus on the one negative thing I said about it. Because why not? The stakes are higher when you are fighting friends. Which is why the stakes are extremely high in the final fight. In the airport fight these characters are not actually trying to hurt each other, nor do most of them have any real stakes in who wins. That doesn't mean it's not a great sequence. It's just a little self indulgent.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 17:25:09 GMT
The stakes are higher when you are fighting friends. Which is why the stakes are extremely high in the final fight. In the airport fight these characters are not actually trying to hurt each other, nor do most of them have any real stakes in who wins. That doesn't mean it's not a great sequence. It's just a little self indulgent. I don't know... I actually think it made that fight difficult to choreograph. A fight between total strangers (or even better, enemies) trying to kill each other is easy to choreograph. Just show them going all out. But choreographing a fight between friends who want to hurt each other enough to take them out of the fight but not hard enough to seriously injure them... now that's tough. The stakes are high because you actually don't want to injure someone seriously plus you risk your relationships.
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Post by harpospoke on Apr 9, 2018 17:28:58 GMT
Which is why the stakes are extremely high in the final fight. In the airport fight these characters are not actually trying to hurt each other, nor do most of them have any real stakes in who wins. That doesn't mean it's not a great sequence. It's just a little self indulgent. I don't know... I actually think it made that fight difficult to choreograph. A fight between total strangers (or even better, enemies) trying to kill each other is easy to choreograph. Just show them going all out. But choreographing a fight between friends who want to hurt each other enough to take them out of the fight but not hard enough to seriously injure them... now that's tough. The stakes are high because you actually don't want to injure someone seriously plus you risk your relationships. Agreed. That's a unique dynamic not present in most fights.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 17:36:05 GMT
Which is why the stakes are extremely high in the final fight. In the airport fight these characters are not actually trying to hurt each other, nor do most of them have any real stakes in who wins. That doesn't mean it's not a great sequence. It's just a little self indulgent. I don't know... I actually think it made that fight difficult to choreograph. A fight between total strangers (or even better, enemies) trying to kill each other is easy to choreograph. Just show them going all out. But choreographing a fight between friends who want to hurt each other enough to take them out of the fight but not hard enough to seriously injure them... now that's tough. The stakes are high because you actually don't want to injure someone seriously plus you risk your relationships. Well, I do love the sequence. I think it's one of the best comic book scenes ever. I'm certainly not suggesting that it isn't excellent.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 9, 2018 18:11:02 GMT
The only problem is that the stakes are a bit low. No one is ever in real danger. T'Challa does really want to kill Bucky. And Rhodey got crippled so... Wanda was throwing cars at people, Cap had no reason to believe Spider-Man could hold the boarding bridge when he dropped it on his head, and I shudder to think what would've happened to Falcon had Vision actually connected with him instead of a guy in armor. The airport sequence, while highly enjoyable from an action standpoint, has always bothered me from a storytelling perspective. We're supposed to believe they aren't trying to hurt each other but their actions say otherwise.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 18:15:33 GMT
T'Challa does really want to kill Bucky. And Rhodey got crippled so... Wanda was throwing cars at people, Cap had no reason to believe Spider-Man could hold the boarding bridge when he dropped it on his head, and I shudder to think what would've happened to Falcon had Vision actually connected with him instead of a guy in armor. The airport sequence, while highly enjoyable from an action standpoint, has always bothered me from a storytelling perspective. We're supposed to believe they aren't trying to hurt each other but their actions say otherwise. Wanda was throwing cars at guys in armor. Cap got hit by Spiderman which means he got a good idea of just how strong Spiderman is. No excuse for Vision though. We can assume that he was only aiming for the jet pack and didn't expect to miss... but he did, so that was a very dangerous move to do.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 9, 2018 18:50:37 GMT
Wanda was throwing cars at people, Cap had no reason to believe Spider-Man could hold the boarding bridge when he dropped it on his head, and I shudder to think what would've happened to Falcon had Vision actually connected with him instead of a guy in armor. The airport sequence, while highly enjoyable from an action standpoint, has always bothered me from a storytelling perspective. We're supposed to believe they aren't trying to hurt each other but their actions say otherwise. Wanda was throwing cars at guys in armor. Cap got hit by Spiderman which means he got a good idea of just how strong Spiderman is. No excuse for Vision though. We can assume that he was only aiming for the jet pack and didn't expect to miss... but he did, so that was a very dangerous move to do. She's throwing cars around. It doesn't matter if they had armor, there's no guarantee what was going to happen or who it was going to affect. Cap has no idea how strong Spidey is just by getting decked. Cap feels the hit when regular humans slug him, you see it all the time. (And if Spidey hit him full force, he would've taken Steve's head clean off.) And yeah, Vision's laser beam was incredibly dangerous. Look at what it did to Rhodey's armor. They try to downplay it by having Tony say he didn't think Vision could get distracted or whatever...but he's shooting at moving targets. He has no control over who's going to where as he's taking aim. It's an insane risk to take with their friends' lives at stake. I'm a huge MCU fan so nobody has to defend the movies from my criticism like I'm some hater. It's just something that's always bothered me about CW.
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Post by Skaathar on Apr 9, 2018 19:14:06 GMT
Wanda was throwing cars at guys in armor. Cap got hit by Spiderman which means he got a good idea of just how strong Spiderman is. No excuse for Vision though. We can assume that he was only aiming for the jet pack and didn't expect to miss... but he did, so that was a very dangerous move to do. She's throwing cars around. It doesn't matter if they had armor, there's no guarantee what was going to happen or who it was going to affect. Cap has no idea how strong Spidey is just by getting decked. Cap feels the hit when regular humans slug him, you see it all the time. (And if Spidey hit him full force, he would've taken Steve's head clean off.) And yeah, Vision's laser beam was incredibly dangerous. Look at what it did to Rhodey's armor. They try to downplay it by having Tony say he didn't think Vision could get distracted or whatever...but he's shooting at moving targets. He has no control over who's going to where as he's taking aim. It's an insane risk to take with their friends' lives at stake. I'm a huge MCU fan so nobody has to defend the movies from my criticism like I'm some hater. It's just something that's always bothered me about CW. She's throwing cars specifically at IM and Warmachine. Her TK is strong enough to stop the cars mid-flight if she needs to incase they're about to hit someone who can't take it. Besides, BW is the only person on team IM who'll be seriously injured by a thrown car. Cap gets hit by regular humans and normally is able to tank it. Heck he's taken hits from IM and managed to stay upright. Whereas a single kick from Spiderman completely threw him off his feet. I'm pretty sure he got an idea just how strong Spidey is from that. As for Vision, blame that on him thinking he's incapable of making mistakes.
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