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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 20, 2018 3:01:28 GMT
I always have mixed feelings about the superhero "no kill" rule; I tend to lean towards the necessity of lethal force for people with skills and abilities that go beyond the pale of normal human conflicts. Batman, Superman, Flash et al can deescalate situations without lethal force in more situations than would otherwise be the norm. But at the same time, I don't think it should be off the table outright under all conceivable circumstances. It's not something to be taken lightly, but is also why something like that is called a last resort; because you've exhausted all other options and threat is that great and persistent.
So I Def don't agree with Barry unequivocally saying "no," but I'm ambivalent about Ralph's plan to straight up storm the castle and kill him. It didn't seem like there were a lot of great options open to them; and the risk seems too high to leave anything to chance by leaving DeVoe alive. Yet there's a niggling sense of doubt about a plan that goes immediately to killing him; especially with them all operating outside the law or proper legal channels.
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Post by dazz on Apr 20, 2018 9:28:50 GMT
The thing is on this show it makes no sense seeing as how Barry did kill Zoom on purpose by luring the Wraiths to him and once Savitar showed he was unwilling to change his ways Barry was down with allowing him to be destroyed so what is the issue this time?
I get the aversion to outright murder an enemy for personal gain, which makes sense as to Barry's aversion to the plan when he thought Ralph was only thinking of saving his own skin, I could also get it if it wasn't about killing DeVoe but risking the chance to save the other meta's, it would also hold more weight if the Thinker wasn't already a dead man walking, the no kill rule means a lot less when death is inevitable, it's why I hated the Arrow S4 finale where Felicity talked her ex into helping instead of letting Malcolm kill him, all she did was waste precious minutes trying to "redeem" this nothing pos just for him to be painfully killed before he could even finish turning on Dahrk anyway, making the whole sequence pointless.
So yeah this is a dumb thing because A: Barry's a hypocrite, B: Ralph's actually trying to protect others not himself, C: Thinker was going to die anyway so who cares? Also if Barry has such an aversion to all this why doesn't he show any problem with Joe who has killed people not only as a cop but as a member of Team Flash...repeatedly, or Oliver & the Legends who again kill people...a lot of people....quite frequently...and for less reasons.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 20, 2018 15:05:47 GMT
Ralph was right. Not only was Barry wrong, he was a bit of a hypocrite.
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Post by stargazer1682 on Apr 20, 2018 15:16:43 GMT
it would also hold more weight if the Thinker wasn't already a dead man walking, That brings up an interesting point; DeVoe has already effectively killed himself and only perpetuated his "life" by taking over someone else's body like a parasite. There's some deeper metaphysical implications and debate about whether or not DeVoe is really still alive. And add to that the body count DeVoe has wracked up, and yeah, it shouldn't be much of a question. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 13:42:28 GMT
Ralph was right. Not only was Barry wrong, he was a bit of a hypocrite.  |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 24, 2018 16:17:21 GMT
The no killing thing does get silly and hypocritical sometimes. It's even more silly on Arrow where they can't seem to make up their minds. They say Oliver doesn't kill so we are supposed to assume that the arrows are some kind of knockout arrows. The problem with that is they are shown going about 8 inches into the target's chest. I think that would cause more damage then just knocking him out.
This is an old problem on TV. Shows pay lip service to not killing when everything they do still looks a lot like killing. You can go all the way back to the Man From UNCLE to see examples of this. Their guns would look and sound just like regular guns but every once in a while there would be a throw away line about firing knockout darts or something.
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Post by dazz on Apr 24, 2018 16:35:51 GMT
I assume it's the same excuse as they had in a Smallville episode where Oliver's teacher shows up and shoots Lois I think with a near fatal wound that had it been a cm in any direction been a kill shot, Oliver is so good he supposedly knows exactly where to hit someone centre mass and not have it be a kill shot, why though every hit somehow results in the victim being rendered unconscious regardless of where hit is beyond me.
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