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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 17:25:08 GMT
Her traumatic experiences will change her and possibly she'll meet her husband (who's MIA apparently) and will start changing into LOTR Galadriel. Of course, it makes zero sense and they are already failing to make it believable. But that's Bad Reboot for you. Didn’t she say her husband was dead in ep7?
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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 15:02:32 GMT
Well, if she is Sharon, I want to see one of those goofy face morphing special effects in the season finale.
note: Autocorrect changed Sauron to Sharon. I’m leaving it. Autocorrect is wise.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 9, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
Did anything of significance actually happen in episode 7? I did watch it, but maybe I missed something when I took a bathroom break and didn’t bother to hit the pause button.
What I did see …
All the main characters had their plot armor on full power. They all survived a pyroclastic flow, including Galadriel who got it straight in the face. Though they tried to tease us that maybe a person we know is alive (due to his historical significance, later in life), is dead.
The Numenorians fled back to whence they came, after one battle in a small village. Well, that little expedition was an embarrassment. They probably should have just given Galadriel a boat, when she first asked.
That female Frodo hobbit really is as dumb as a rock.
There is a balrog beneath the mines. (Like, we didn’t already know that)
The Southlands have officially been renamed Mordor by the Middle Earth department of the interior.
I was on the edge of my seat, I tell ya!
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Post by damngumby on Oct 4, 2022 11:32:35 GMT
Episode six. Some random observations … Seemed real easy to collapse that tower. Really, your defensive scheme hinged on getting a medieval match lit in time? Kung Fu elf! Where on earth were they racing full gallop toward? It’s not like they knew that village was under attack. They just get off the boat and go into mass attack mode … for miles? … without an enemy in sight? Wait … you mean Galadriel and Halbrand run down that elf-orc guy to retrieve the sword hilt … and they never unwrapped the rags to see if it contained the object they were after? Did IQs suddenly drop in Middle Earth?You cause fire to explode by dumping water on it? Good to know! That was pretty stupid. Also how did Halbrand, who started the pursue after Galadriel, managed to outrun both Galadriel and Adar in order to attack him from the front. It also cracked me up when the elf tries to smash the sword hilt with a hammer, fails, and then proclaims, "it is beyond our power to destroy"
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Post by damngumby on Oct 1, 2022 18:54:13 GMT
I'm still in a groan over Galadriel behaving like Dr. Evil or a Bond villain in killing all the "small fry", but then instead of immediately executing the dangerous Adar, coming up with some ridiculous scenario of a long, slow death that gives him a chance to escape, play mind games, give false information, and just be detrimental to her cause. First she stop Halbrand from killing him with this amazing rational, “You can not satisfy thirst by drinking seawater.” (How do the actors say these lines with a straight face?) Her plan is to wipe out all the orcs but to keep him alive so he can witness the end of his kind before she kills him. Why does she so hate this one particular orc she just met, that she’d revel in the act of tormenting him in such a way? Then Galadriel throws all that out the window when he suggests that it is she who is evil. She is about to slit his throat when Halbrand interrupts her. It goes from, don’t kill him, we need him … to, I’m going to kill you last … to, fuck it, I’m going to kill you now … to, never mind.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 1, 2022 18:09:04 GMT
You cause fire to explode by dumping water on it? Good to know! That is apparently true. Water evaporating in magma can cause volcanic eruptions. Apparently, it is! I’m now a wee bit wiser than I was a few hours ago. It does explain why the orcs were digging trenches … though it’s still a mystery why the elves didn’t notice them, what with their amazing eyesight and all.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 1, 2022 14:36:21 GMT
Episode six. Some random observations …
Seemed real easy to collapse that tower.
Really, your defensive scheme hinged on getting a medieval match lit in time?
Kung Fu elf!
Where on earth were they racing full gallop toward? It’s not like they knew that village was under attack. They just get off the boat and go into mass attack mode … for miles? … without an enemy in sight?
Wait … you mean Galadriel and Halbrand run down that elf-orc guy to retrieve the sword hilt … and they never unwrapped the rags to see if it contained the object they were after? Did IQs suddenly drop in Middle Earth?
You cause fire to explode by dumping water on it? Good to know!
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Post by damngumby on Aug 4, 2022 9:39:05 GMT
I usually tune out anyone who claims “the science is settled”. ^^ But hangs on to every word from Joe Rogan. Shays rebelling = always wrong.
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Post by damngumby on Aug 3, 2022 21:43:39 GMT
I usually tune out anyone who claims “the science is settled”.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 17:08:49 GMT
“What does God need with a starship monolith?” - Captain Kirk Humans from the future, despite there being no indication that time travel was a thing in this story? Could be unicorns, I guess. BTW, we’re not “arguing”. We’re having a discussion. Well, first you misrepresented what I said. I said god an aliens were the ambiguity, you claimed I said the monolith was the ambiguity even though god and aliens was right there for you to read. And when you got caught in that mistake, you tried to warp reality that I must've been talking about the monolith and not gods and aliens because aliens was soooooo obvious. But they weren't. The monolith was left as this mysterious object in Kubrick's version because he wanted that ambiguity. I never “claimed” you said anything, though I will now. You said it was ambiguous that some sort of intelligence (a god, or aliens) was responsible for our evolution, leading one to believe that you were suggesting it was a natural occurrence, independent from an external influence. I simply reiterated that the monolith indicated that someone (gods, or aliens) was responsible. If it was just a case of you not being entirely clear, that pretty much flew out the window when you also said it was ambiguous that the monoliths were devices of alien origin. Let’s keep the douchbaggery to the Politics forum, mmkay?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 16:32:40 GMT
What sort of test do you think it was? If the first monolith was just testing protohumans to see if they were sufficiently advanced to qualify as star child material, then the film wouldn’t have spent so much time on the discovery of tool use following the appearance of the monolith. If the ability to travel to the moon was an indicator that a species had become advanced enough to take the next step, then the first monolith (as a test) was rather pointless. BTW, the moon monolith sent a signal to the Jupiter monolith when it was exposed to sunlight, not the other way around. Thanks for the clarification. That said i just didn't feel the obelisk made us what we are. IF the aliens were so advanced and powerful, seems off we'd need 50k years to progress to a point just to get to the moon. I’m trying to avoid inserting explanations from the book into this discussion. Just what was presented in the movie. The unnatural appearance of the monolith indicates that it was constructed by … someone. It’s never revealed who, so we can just call them “aliens”. It certainly wasn’t corporeal humans or any other species known to man. If it was some sort of time traveling future star child human offspring, then I think it’s reasonable to view them as aliens as well. Cosmically speaking, 50k years is a blink in time. I think it is reasonable to view the entire procedure as one long test. The first monolith started us on the path. The second monolith determined that we passed the test by reaching the moon. The third monolith performs the final transformation.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 16:08:28 GMT
A monolith suddenly appearing on primitive earth. Another one buried on the moon, which sent a radio signal to a third one orbiting Jupiter. Not obviously alien constructs? Oooookay … Nope, not obvious. Could be aliens. Could be god. Could be ourselves from the future Interstellar style.
But leave it up to Gumbo to find something to argue about outside the politics board.
“What does God need with a starship monolith?” - Captain Kirk Humans from the future, despite there being no indication that time travel was a thing in this story? Could be unicorns, I guess. BTW, we’re not “arguing”. We’re having a discussion.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 15:57:41 GMT
I think the movie was pretty clear that simply picking up a bone and bonking someone on the head wasn’t sufficient indication of intelligence. The bone morphed into a satellite. If building rudimentary structures is a sign of intelligence, then wasps … ants … birds. I agree. I think the monolith was more of a test, one we failed terribly as prehistoric man. The one one the moon was another test, one we passed as it started to receive a signal from the one by Jupiter. This is all IMHO of course, the film is designed so abstract to warrant discourse. What sort of test do you think it was? If the first monolith was just testing protohumans to see if they were sufficiently advanced to qualify as star child material, then the film wouldn’t have spent so much time on the discovery of tool use following the appearance of the monolith. If the ability to travel to the moon was an indicator that a species had become advanced enough to take the next step, then the first monolith (as a test) was rather pointless. BTW, the moon monolith sent a signal to the Jupiter monolith when it was exposed to sunlight, not the other way around.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 15:38:24 GMT
Are you suggesting the monoliths were not alien devices? I'm suggesting the movie left it ambiguous. A monolith suddenly appearing on primitive earth. Another one buried on the moon, which sent a radio signal to a third one orbiting Jupiter. Not obviously alien constructs? Oooookay …
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 15:32:20 GMT
I didn't see the monolith as causing our evolution. Sentiment beings will use their environment to build, defend, and attack. I mean did beavers touch the monolith? No? Then how do they know how to build dams? 😏 I think the aliens knew we were morons and were not ready to meet them for thousands if not 10s of thousands of years. So they took their monolith and set it on the moon and left us alone. I think the movie was pretty clear that simply picking up a bone and bonking someone on the head wasn’t sufficient indication of intelligence. The bone morphed into a satellite. If building rudimentary structures is a sign of intelligence, then wasps … ants … birds.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 15:21:44 GMT
Again, I said nothing about it not being obvious the monolith caused the evolutionary steps. The ambiguity I'm referring to is "about god or aliens." Are you suggesting the monoliths were not alien devices?
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 15:13:25 GMT
I thought it was pretty obvious that the monolith caused the evolutionary steps. At the beginning of the movie it is not until after the monolith appears and hums at them that the protohumans acquire the intelligent to utilize an object as a tool (weapon). At the end of the movie, the transformation into the star child is also pretty obviously a result of Bowman being sucked into the monolith. I suppose it’s possible to think that the first monolith simply appeared at the moment when the protohumans revealed that they possessed the intelligence to use tools … but there was no indication that the final transformation would have naturally occurred, if not for the monolith … which indicates that the role of the monoliths was the same in both instances - transform a primitive species into the next evolutionary form. I said nothing about it not being obvious the monolith caused the evolutionary steps.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 17, 2022 12:45:41 GMT
I like how the movie didn't make it about god or aliens that were responsible for our evolution, but instead kept it ambiguous.
The monolith is left to be this mysterious thing that just appears, and its cubic dimensions too symmetrical for a primitive species to ignore.
Then after contacting it, we slowly gain the expertise to go off world and venture to the most obvious next step which is the moon. I thought it was pretty obvious that the monolith caused the evolutionary steps. At the beginning of the movie it is not until after the monolith appears and hums at them that the protohumans acquire the intelligent to utilize an object as a tool (weapon). At the end of the movie, the transformation into the star child is also pretty obviously a result of Bowman being sucked into the monolith. I suppose it’s possible to think that the first monolith simply appeared at the moment when the protohumans revealed that they possessed the intelligence to use tools … but there was no indication that the final transformation would have naturally occurred, if not for the monolith … which indicates that the role of the monoliths was the same in both instances - transform a primitive species into the next evolutionary form.
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Post by damngumby on Jul 16, 2022 12:55:09 GMT
I’m a big fan of Kubrick and Clarke, but I could never get into this movie. I’ve watched it 3-4 times over the years and it always leaves me cold, and a tad bored. The book is better.
It’s a story about the human race taking its next evolutionary step toward some sort of ethereal intelligence. A subject that Clarke also explored in A Childhoods End. 2001:ASO also mixes in one of his short stories, The Sentinal - which is about an ancient alien alarm system on the moon that alerts the cosmos that we (humans) have taken our first steps into outer space.
In ACE, our evolution is natural. The aliens are only there to facilitate a (relatively) smooth transition. In both stories, it is the advent of our space exploration that is the indicator that we are ready for the next step.
In 2001, aliens are responsible for our evolutionary leaps. From primate to human, and then from human to whatever. I never really liked that idea. I prefer the way it was handled in ACE. It was more wonderous and disturbing. It’s a shame the mini series kinda sucked.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 17, 2022 2:22:41 GMT
How come the progs aren’t attacking those 14 markets with sweeping generalizations about the awful homophobic people who live there?
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