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Post by wolf359 on May 8, 2020 20:31:22 GMT
What if they killed off Neve in the opening sequence like they did Drew Barrymore in the first movie? That would be ballsy! Ballsy, and brilliant. She’s one of the best parts of these movies, but the series desperately needs a surprise, a shot-in-the-arm, after three sequels of decreasing twistiness. Not sure how to square that circle…
I think it would be Stupid and definitely the Death Blow to the "SCREAM" Franchise if they killed her off like that.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 8, 2020 20:33:38 GMT
Ballsy, and brilliant. She’s one of the best parts of these movies, but the series desperately needs a surprise, a shot-in-the-arm, after three sequels of decreasing twistiness. Not sure how to square that circle… I think it would be Stupid and definitely the Death Blow to the "SCREAM" Franchise if they killed her off like that.
Well, I know you like her. I like her too, I think she always brings her a-game to these movies, even when I don’t think the movie around her is all that good. Again, though, I think the franchise needs some huge twist…
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Post by wolf359 on May 8, 2020 20:36:55 GMT
I think it would be Stupid and definitely the Death Blow to the "SCREAM" Franchise if they killed her off like that.
Well, I know you like her. I like her too, I think she always brings her a-game to these movies, even when I don’t think the movie around her is all that good. Again, though, I think the franchise needs some huge twist…
How about have Patrick Dempsey's character (from the 3rd Movie) be the Opening Kill of the 5th Movie ?
Or better yet, How about they have Marley Shelton's character (from the 4th Movie) be the Mastermind Killer in the 5th Movie ?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 9, 2020 1:33:33 GMT
Well, I know you like her. I like her too, I think she always brings her a-game to these movies, even when I don’t think the movie around her is all that good. Again, though, I think the franchise needs some huge twist…
How about have Patrick Dempsey's character (from the 3rd Movie) be the Opening Kill of the 5th Movie ?
Or better yet, How about they have Marley Shelton's character (from the 4th Movie) be the Mastermind Killer in the 5th Movie ?
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl.
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Post by wolf359 on May 9, 2020 14:20:50 GMT
How about have Patrick Dempsey's character (from the 3rd Movie) be the Opening Kill of the 5th Movie ?
Or better yet, How about they have Marley Shelton's character (from the 4th Movie) be the Mastermind Killer in the 5th Movie ?
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl.
"it's an unkillable final girl." -------------------------------------
Yeah, I mean just look at 'Laurie Strode' from "HALLOWEEN" who is quite arguably the Greatest Final Girl in Slasher Movie History.
They can't say that she's unkillable since Michael Myers actually finally got her in "HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION".
Of course to be fair though, then Rob Zombie came along and nearly killed that Franchise with his 2 Movies and then after that.....well.........Thank God for David Gordon Green and Danny McBride!
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Post by Prime etc. on May 9, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
Only interested if there is a scene where she is talking to executives in a film studio about a new Stab movie and she loses it and kills them all in a stabbing spree.
"I am tired of all these fucking sequels! Die! Die! Die!"
Then Quentin Tarantino walks in, she hands him the knife, and the police come in right after and she tells them he did it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 9, 2020 21:04:41 GMT
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl.
"it's an unkillable final girl." -------------------------------------
Yeah, I mean just look at 'Laurie Strode' from "HALLOWEEN" who is quite arguably the Greatest Final Girl in Slasher Movie History.
They can't say that she's unkillable since Michael Myers actually finally got her in "HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION".
Of course to be fair though, then Rob Zombie came along and nearly killed that Franchise with his 2 Movies and then after that.....well.........Thank God for David Gordon Green and Danny McBride!
Shit, Laurie's been killed off three times in the franchise of you count those RZ movies.
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Post by wolf359 on May 10, 2020 1:18:46 GMT
"it's an unkillable final girl." -------------------------------------
Yeah, I mean just look at 'Laurie Strode' from "HALLOWEEN" who is quite arguably the Greatest Final Girl in Slasher Movie History.
They can't say that she's unkillable since Michael Myers actually finally got her in "HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION".
Of course to be fair though, then Rob Zombie came along and nearly killed that Franchise with his 2 Movies and then after that.....well.........Thank God for David Gordon Green and Danny McBride!
Shit, Laurie's been killed off three times in the franchise of you count those RZ movies.
LOL, True!
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Post by Nalkarj on May 11, 2020 15:48:43 GMT
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl. Entirely fair. Maybe making it seem like a perfectly ordinary Scream movie and then revealing comic-relief Dewey as the killer would be best? Making the comic relief character the murderer is an old Agatha Christie twist, but it still seems more surprising than making the seemingly cleared character or the seemingly main character the killer, both of which are also Christie twists that Scream has used.
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Post by wolf359 on May 12, 2020 6:46:41 GMT
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl. Entirely fair. Maybe making it seem like a perfectly ordinary Scream movie and then revealing comic-relief Dewey as the killer would be best? Making the comic relief character the murderer is an old Agatha Christie twist, but it still seems more surprising than making the seemingly cleared character or the seemingly main character the killer, both of whom are also Christie twists that Scream has used.
What about a Twist where the Killer turns out to be a character from 1 of the 4 Previous "SCREAM" Movies and who doesn't appear in the 5th Movie at all until the final act when they take off the Ghostface Mask and reveal themselves as the Killer.
Somebody like Billy's Father Hank Loomis (C.W. Morgan) from "SCREAM", Martha Meeks (Heather Matarazzo) from "SCREAM 3", or Deputy Judy (Marley Shelton) from "SCREAM 4" ?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 14, 2020 8:26:05 GMT
Those would kinda be like farts in the wind. Regular audiences probably wouldn't even notice if those two characters were never mentioned again (and didn't, in the case of Dempsey in 4). But I agree with you that Sidney shouldn't die. She's perhaps the only final girl to ever make it this far, which I consider part of Scream's subversion of genre cliches. Rather than an unkillable killer, it's an unkillable final girl. Entirely fair. Maybe making it seem like a perfectly ordinary Scream movie and then revealing comic-relief Dewey as the killer would be best? Making the comic relief character the murderer is an old Agatha Christie twist, but it still seems more surprising than making the seemingly cleared character or the seemingly main character the killer, both of whom are also Christie twists that Scream has used. Well, Stu was pretty much the comic relief in the first film, or at least one of them. I think Agatha used basically every whodunnit twist possible at some point. Scream 3 was originally gonna have an Orient Express style one where everyone was in on it. One I've seen floated around, that might be interesting, is if there were two killers but they were working separately. In any case, the writers definitely have their work cut out for them.
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Post by wolf359 on May 14, 2020 13:51:39 GMT
Entirely fair. Maybe making it seem like a perfectly ordinary Scream movie and then revealing comic-relief Dewey as the killer would be best? Making the comic relief character the murderer is an old Agatha Christie twist, but it still seems more surprising than making the seemingly cleared character or the seemingly main character the killer, both of whom are also Christie twists that Scream has used. Well, Stu was pretty much the comic relief in the first film, or at least one of them. I think Agatha used basically every whodunnit twist possible at some point. Scream 3 was originally gonna have an Orient Express style one where everyone was in on it. One I've seen floated around, that might be interesting, is if there were two killers but they were working separately. In any case, the writers definitely have their work cut out for them.
Actually, I think the Killers in "SCREAM 3" were originally going to be both Roman (Scott Foley) and Angelina (Emily Mortimer) and nobody else.
Then obviously the plan changed and it was just Roman who was the Killer.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 14, 2020 14:32:11 GMT
Well, Stu was pretty much the comic relief in the first film, or at least one of them. I think Agatha used basically every whodunnit twist possible at some point. Scream 3 was originally gonna have an Orient Express style one where everyone was in on it. One I've seen floated around, that might be interesting, is if there were two killers but they were working separately. In any case, the writers definitely have their work cut out for them. True, but a recurring comic relief character as killer would still be surprising, I think. Maybe it’s just that I can’t stand the Dewey character. If they really wanted to go full Christie, they’d have two people who seemingly hate each other but are actually in love as the killers. That’s probably the most Christiean thing ever. They probably wouldn’t make Sidney the killer, and I don’t think I’d even want that, but it would be interesting if the twist were that Sid figured out the killer before the end, killed that person in self-defense, and kept quiet about it (she sure doesn’t trust the police at this point), thus making it look like the real killer was just another victim.
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Post by Nalkarj on May 14, 2020 14:40:09 GMT
What about a Twist where the Killer turns out to be a character from 1 of the 4 Previous "SCREAM" Movies and who doesn't appear in the 5th Movie at all until the final act when they take off the Ghostface Mask and reveal themselves as the Killer.
Somebody like Billy's Father Hank Loomis (C.W. Morgan) from "SCREAM", Martha Meeks (Heather Matarazzo) from "SCREAM 3", or Deputy Judy (Marley Shelton) from "SCREAM 4” ?
Honestly, I doubt many people would remember those characters. Other than the deputy in the last one, I certainly don’t. My favorite idea in all this is still Lebowskidoo 🦞 ’s, to make the 5th a reboot (and spoof of reboots like the last Halloween). That offers a lot possible killers, too. Randy, maybe, or Cotton? But if we have to keep to canon and want to bring back someone from another movie, yeah, the deputy would probably be best. If you made her too minor or nice, though, the viewer would suspect her (why is this unimportant character hanging around all the time? — cf. Roger Ebert’s Law of Economy of Characters), so you’d have to make her actively antagonistic to Sidney. May seem counterintuitive, but knowing she dislikes Sid for one reason expressly unconnected to the murders (say, she has a crush on Sidney’s boyfriend, whom she only met after the murders started) will make the viewer, on the lookout for a least-likely suspect, overlook her.
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Post by wolf359 on May 14, 2020 16:17:08 GMT
What about a Twist where the Killer turns out to be a character from 1 of the 4 Previous "SCREAM" Movies and who doesn't appear in the 5th Movie at all until the final act when they take off the Ghostface Mask and reveal themselves as the Killer.
Somebody like Billy's Father Hank Loomis (C.W. Morgan) from "SCREAM", Martha Meeks (Heather Matarazzo) from "SCREAM 3", or Deputy Judy (Marley Shelton) from "SCREAM 4” ?
Honestly, I doubt many people would remember those characters. Other than the deputy in the last one, I certainly don’t. My favorite idea in all this is still Lebowskidoo 🦞 ’s, to make the 5th a reboot (and spoof of reboots like the last Halloween). That offers a lot possible killers, too. Randy, maybe, or Cotton? But if we have to keep to canon and want to bring back someone from another movie, yeah, the deputy would probably be best. If you made her too minor or nice, though, the viewer would suspect her (why is this unimportant character hanging around all the time? — cf. Roger Ebert’s Law of Economy of Characters), so you’d have to make her actively antagonistic to Sidney. May seem counterintuitive, but knowing she dislikes Sid for one reason expressly unconnected to the murders (say, she has a crush on Sidney’s boyfriend, whom she only met after the murders started) will make the viewer, on the lookout for a least-likely suspect, overlook her.
What if they did a twist in the 5th Movie where the Mastermind Killer was indeed Deputy Judy (from "SCREAM 4") but it is also revealed that she was actually Billy and Stu's 3rd partner in the murders from the First Movie, that she was the Ghostface that killed Drew Barrymore's character at the beginning of the First Movie (they could do a flashback to that moment when Barrymore pulled off the Ghostface Mask and it would then show Deputy Judy's face behind it when she does), that she was also Stu's 'real' girlfriend and the only reason why she wasn't at Stu's house the night that Sidney killed both Stu and Billy was because Stu wanted her out of harm's way (1 of the main parts of the plan was for Billy and Stu to stab each other repeatedly to make each other look like victims that survived) ?
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Post by mslo79 on May 14, 2020 19:11:25 GMT
wolf359I think it boils down to whether they plan on continuing the series or not whether they could consider that option. because I think if they kill her off, I can't see the series going much beyond that. but then again that would be 5 movies which is already plenty considering, off the top of my head, most movie series generally don't exceed 3 movies. although there are some here and there that are a fair amount beyond that.
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Post by wolf359 on May 14, 2020 20:28:42 GMT
You know, I actually think I know a Great Theme that a 5th "SCREAM" Movie could follow.
The First Movie was about Slasher Movies.
The Second Movie was about Sequels.
The Third Movie was about Trilogies.
The 4th Movie was about Remakes.
The 5th Movie could be about how Hollywood has been taken over the SJW's.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 14, 2020 22:22:54 GMT
Well, Stu was pretty much the comic relief in the first film, or at least one of them. I think Agatha used basically every whodunnit twist possible at some point. Scream 3 was originally gonna have an Orient Express style one where everyone was in on it. One I've seen floated around, that might be interesting, is if there were two killers but they were working separately. In any case, the writers definitely have their work cut out for them.
Actually, I think the Killers in "SCREAM 3" were originally going to be both Roman (Scott Foley) and Angelina (Emily Mortimer) and nobody else.
Then obviously the plan changed and it was just Roman who was the Killer.
I'm talking about Kevin Williamson's version, before Krueger got involved and before Roman and Angelina were even invented.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 14, 2020 22:30:49 GMT
What about a Twist where the Killer turns out to be a character from 1 of the 4 Previous "SCREAM" Movies and who doesn't appear in the 5th Movie at all until the final act when they take off the Ghostface Mask and reveal themselves as the Killer.
Somebody like Billy's Father Hank Loomis (C.W. Morgan) from "SCREAM", Martha Meeks (Heather Matarazzo) from "SCREAM 3", or Deputy Judy (Marley Shelton) from "SCREAM 4” ?
Honestly, I doubt many people would remember those characters. Other than the deputy in the last one, I certainly don’t. My favorite idea in all this is still Lebowskidoo 🦞 ’s, to make the 5th a reboot (and spoof of reboots like the last Halloween). That offers a lot possible killers, too. Randy, maybe, or Cotton? Oh yeah, that'd be great. Just ignore all the sequels, bring back Randy and Cotton, start over practically. Would definitely give the series a jolt of energy.
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Post by wolf359 on May 15, 2020 4:58:43 GMT
Honestly, I doubt many people would remember those characters. Other than the deputy in the last one, I certainly don’t. My favorite idea in all this is still Lebowskidoo 🦞 ’s, to make the 5th a reboot (and spoof of reboots like the last Halloween). That offers a lot possible killers, too. Randy, maybe, or Cotton? Oh yeah, that'd be great. Just ignore all the sequels, bring back Randy and Cotton, start over practically. Would definitely give the series a jolt of energy.
That would actually be pretty disrespectful to Wes Craven's work on the Franchise (Just wash away 3 movies like they never happened, give me a break....that is insulting).
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