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Post by mikef6 on Jul 25, 2020 14:10:04 GMT
A few years ago, the Arizona state legislature passed a law that the Bible could be taught in the state’s secular public schools. The law wasn’t for classes about the Bible – objective, historical, literary lessons – but Christian supremacy, inerrancy, and right-wing U.S. revisionist history (e.g. the U.S.. Constitution is based on the Bible).
So, the Camp Verde School Board voted 4-0 to use a curriculum from the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools. The NCBCPS materials treated Christianity as true and the Bible as fact. One researcher claimed it had “shoddy research, factual errors and plagiarism.” Even after the course was revised, it still promoted conservative views.
Dianne Post, the legal director for the Secular Communities for Arizona, wrote a piece for the Verde News (behind a paywall) in which she highlighted some of her concerns:
It repeats historical errors and uses fake quotations to promote Christian nationalism, the mistaken belief that the American system of law and government is based primarily on the Bible.
To cut to the chase: a survey of the student body came up with only two students who might be interested in taking the course. With such low interest, the district can’t justify offering the class, much less finding a teacher for it. Tory Roberg, the lobbyist for Secular Coalition for Arizona said:
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 25, 2020 14:19:51 GMT
It's almost like religion in public schools does not have an undue influence...
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Post by Isapop on Jul 25, 2020 14:24:59 GMT
It's almost like religion in public schools does not have an undue influence... Neither does one small turd in an Olympic size swimming pool. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 25, 2020 15:00:43 GMT
It's almost like religion in public schools does not have an undue influence... Neither does one small turd in an Olympic size swimming pool. Someone will eventually swim to it as opposed to the danger of someone throwing it at you. |
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Post by rizdek on Jul 25, 2020 16:37:22 GMT
What I don't understand is why ANY Christian would actually want this. And it has nothing to do with separation of church and state, but everything to do with parents would/should be wanting to ensure their child's 'education' in religion is what they (parents) believe it ought to be. There are a myriad of different kinds of Christianities throughout the US and around the world. Families wouldn't want some govt program/official to try to dictate which form of Christianity they ought to follow and teach their kids, so why would they want some school teacher and school program to try to do that?
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Post by thefleetsin on Jul 25, 2020 16:39:58 GMT
so men gave women the right to vote?
so men
gave women
the
right to vote?
when
all along
my sunday school teacher
had told me:
young man you are treading on thin ice
if you think
god's going to forgive you
for
getting a boner in my class!
all this time
she thought i was staring at her
over-productive ass.
when in reality
her son cleaning the chalkboard
was like watching
visions of a thousand ascending doves
breaking through
a ceiling of crystalline glass.
so i
just had to ask;
was she ever so grateful when
men
gave women the right to vote?
and just like magic
i was banned
from every attending her class.
sjw 07/25/2020 inspired at this very moment in time by why how very gracious of them.
from the 'blitzkrieg series' of poems
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Post by kls on Jul 25, 2020 16:49:17 GMT
Maybe it's just me but wouldn't students interested in this already be doing bible studies through where they worship?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2020 16:56:27 GMT
Maybe it's just me but wouldn't students interested in this already be doing bible studies through where they worship? Or they could even just meet after school. Or go on Craigslist to look for local Christian groups. Or even just go on Internet forums to discuss their faith. The Internet seems to be making a lot of these school clubs obscolescent. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:02:20 GMT
mikef6 said: [ full text here] < clips >
- A few years ago,
- The law wasn’t for classes about the Bible – objective, historical, literary lessons – but Christian supremacy, inerrancy, and right-wing U.S. revisionist history
- National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools
- One researcher claimed
- Even after the course was revised, it still promoted conservative views
- the report in some editions that NASA discovered a missing day in time that corresponds to the biblical story of the sun standing still
- the belief held by some (not all) theologically conservative
- It repeats historical errors and uses fake quotations to promote Christian nationalism
- To cut to the chase
- a survey of the student body came up with only two students who might be interested in taking the course
- 2012, thank you, Google
- Because science, one guesses
- Not affiliated with any religious organization, or for that matter any educational organization
- I think there must have been more than one.
- Again, because science?
- Aha! There it is! The evidence of (b) right wing revisionist history! And (e) conservative views!
- Neither the Trump campaign nor its roots count as a "theologically conservative" organization being neither theological nor conservative.
- That its opponents are afraid to list
- One thing you do well
- Only two students were related to the politicians who approved the legislation?
The lesson to be learned here is that religion should be left to actual theologians, which is probably not what happened there.
It is also true that science should not be taught by politicians either -- though that point is not obvious here. My advice has been and still is that if you want to defeat Trump just shut up and let the virus do that. You are far too ignorant of religion and science to defeat Trump.
A program used by public schools when I was in elementary school was using its own bus system to send students to nearby religious organizations with educational programs about two hours a week. Most Churches and religious organizations offered programs designed to cooperate with the schedule.
The problem I can see started long before 2012. In 1979 the Shah of Iran was overthrown and the whole political dynamic changed. The U.S. military was no longer on the political right. The military in this country is too large and the country cannot afford it being on the left of anything. General pandemonium ensues.
You now have people ignorant of religion representing religion, and people ignorant of science representing science. That is why long before the virus became a problem the country was spiraling out of control.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:21:22 GMT
Maybe it's just me but wouldn't students interested in this already be doing bible studies through where they worship? Or they could even just meet after school. Or go on Craigslist to look for local Christian groups. Or even just go on Internet forums to discuss their faith. The Internet seems to be making a lot of these school clubs obscolescent. That's right, kls! And look! lowtacks86 got something right too! Yet another possibility is for courses designed by people who know what they are doing. Another is the busing plan used where I went to school. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2020 17:23:41 GMT
Or they could even just meet after school. Or go on Craigslist to look for local Christian groups. Or even just go on Internet forums to discuss their faith. The Internet seems to be making a lot of these school clubs obscolescent. That's right, kls ! And look! lowtacks86 got something right too! Yet another possibility is for courses designed by people who know what they are doing. Another is the busing plan used where I went to school. And you got nothing right in the thread. Business as usual. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:24:31 GMT
That's right, kls ! And look! lowtacks86 got something right too! Yet another possibility is for courses designed by people who know what they are doing. Another is the busing plan used where I went to school. And you got nothing right in the thread. Business as usual. How would you know? |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2020 17:25:57 GMT
And you got nothing right in the thread. Business as usual. How would you know? Because you make the same retarded theocratic arguments every single time. |
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Post by kls on Jul 25, 2020 17:26:44 GMT
I'm missing the connection with busing being thrown in the discussion.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2020 17:28:13 GMT
I'm missing the connection with busing being thrown in the discussion. It's Arlon, don't bother trying to make sense of his posts |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:33:54 GMT
I'm missing the connection with busing being thrown in the discussion. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:35:23 GMT
I'm missing the connection with busing being thrown in the discussion. It's Arlon, don't bother trying to make sense of his posts Especially if you haven't read them. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 25, 2020 17:38:29 GMT
It's Arlon, don't bother trying to make sense of his posts Especially if you haven't read them. I read them, it's the same retarded posts you always make (science=bad, religion=good) |
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Post by kls on Jul 25, 2020 17:38:59 GMT
I'm missing the connection with busing being thrown in the discussion. Where did it say the program proposed was going to bus? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 25, 2020 17:41:44 GMT
Where did it say the program proposed was going to bus? I was suggesting alternatives to the program in the OP. |
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