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Post by Winston Wolfe on May 16, 2024 3:28:24 GMT
The first in Legendary's "Monsterverse." I remember a lot of people, including myself, were surprised at the reduced role Bryan Cranston ended up having after he was all over in the marketing campaign. I'm one of the people that wish the monster had more screen time, but I enjoyed it enough. The final battle has lighting issues, though.
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Post by ck100 on May 16, 2024 3:30:17 GMT
If I remember correctly, this was considered a return to form for the franchise after the 1998 Godzilla.
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Post by janntosh on May 16, 2024 3:40:32 GMT
It just isn’t good. I appreciate that Edwards was trying to make something in the vein of Jaws and Jurassic Park but he didn’t quite seem to get what made those films work. This is the equivalent of making Jurassic Park and it’s actually about woolly mammoths for most of the run time until a character says “oh yeah we have dinosaurs too” halfway through and if during the scene where the T-Rex attacks the Ford Explorers, they cut away from it.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on May 16, 2024 3:47:28 GMT
I didnt care for it. But then again I never was a Godzilla kinda guy. Weird since I love monsters. I just could never get into Godzilla for some reason.
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Post by Roberto on May 16, 2024 4:28:36 GMT
Didn't care for it much, and don't really remember anything about it. Didn't know it was part of a universe, interesting. Are those vs Kong movies related or something else?
The old Broderick one is quite good though.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 16, 2024 15:32:48 GMT
I really liked it, & preferred how slow & nuanced it was compared to ppl's expectations, esp. Godzilla as hero (or at least neutral) monster. Wasn't expecting that.
B+ for the MonsterVerse from me, it's settled very nicely including GxK.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 16, 2024 18:52:12 GMT
I really enjoyed its down to earth approach on the story, making it about the people is always more interesting. The franchise quickly did a 180 and became a series of two hour video game fight scenes, but I guess I'll always have this one.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 16, 2024 20:26:08 GMT
It is interesting how detached it feels from the rest of the Monsterverse, and by that I mean in terms of the filmmaking, as the events of the movie are still referenced in continuity as the universe has continued since. Unlike later entries which are more fantastical, over-the-top, cartoonish, bright, and colorful, with comic book like storytelling this one is more serious tonally, darker in appearance, and more atmospheric. Sometimes I wonder where things might have gone had the movie been an even bigger success...
I like the movie fine, but it isn't one I go out of my way to revisit often. I think getting rid of Cranston's character so soon into the picture was a mistake, he was more interesting than Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen's characters, the former of which I am just not able to click with like I should be able to and the latter feeling "just there" just about 100% of the time. Thankfully, Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins got more to do in the follow-up.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 16, 2024 20:56:46 GMT
I have the same problems with it as Rogue One, ie stale main characters, potentially more interesting characters taken out early on, the iconic character you paid to see occured until the very end, etc. Like that movie, the third act is well done and exciting which makes you leave feeling like you had a good time having forgotten how tedious the first hour and change was.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 17, 2024 0:28:21 GMT
Looking back, I don’t think killing off Bryan Cranston so early was really a big deal. His character served his purpose. What was he going to do for the remainder of the film? Hang out with Ken Watanabe? The real problem is that the marketing focused too much on his character, thus giving audiences false expectations. The marketing team was clearly taking advantage of the fact that Breaking Bad had ended recently.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 17, 2024 1:14:30 GMT
Looking back, I don’t think killing off Bryan Cranston so early was really a big deal. His character served his purpose. What was he going to do for the remainder of the film? Hang out with Ken Watanabe? The real problem is that the marketing focused too much on his character, thus giving audiences false expectations. The marketing team was clearly taking advantage of the fact that Breaking Bad had ended recently. The real-real problem is that he was the only character with a compelling backstory/played by an actor who wasn't sleepwalking, especially in comparison to the film's lead. It's not a Cinema Sins complaint about plot logistics, people just liked him and didn't like Johnson. As for what they could do with him, his character was a nuclear something or other, the government could probably consult him about nuking the kaijus and send him into San Francisco to help disarm the weapon at the end. Or maybe Olson is his daughter and he goes in to save her having blamed himself for his wife's death. I don't know. Matthew Broderick's character in the other Godzilla movie studied worms for a living and they managed to keep him around.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 17, 2024 1:30:10 GMT
Fat Godzilla.
I have only seen the fx scenes and wasn't impressed because you could tell it was motion capture. You can't make cool giant monsters in CGI if you use motion capture. It works for suitmation because they slow it down--but cgi is expensive so they speed it up.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 17, 2024 1:59:35 GMT
Looking back, I don’t think killing off Bryan Cranston so early was really a big deal. His character served his purpose. What was he going to do for the remainder of the film? Hang out with Ken Watanabe? The real problem is that the marketing focused too much on his character, thus giving audiences false expectations. The marketing team was clearly taking advantage of the fact that Breaking Bad had ended recently. I wasn't ever expecting much from his 'starring' as it was, not sure why, guess I had a 6th sense. The rest of the series would add some known ppl for small roles, & it became a bit of a thing. It's a bit like Brando in Superman - he's there to get some ppl in the door?
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 17, 2024 2:17:12 GMT
Looking back, I don’t think killing off Bryan Cranston so early was really a big deal. His character served his purpose. What was he going to do for the remainder of the film? Hang out with Ken Watanabe? The real problem is that the marketing focused too much on his character, thus giving audiences false expectations. The marketing team was clearly taking advantage of the fact that Breaking Bad had ended recently. The real-real problem is that he was the only character with a compelling backstory/played by an actor who wasn't sleepwalking, especially in comparison to the film's lead. It's not a Cinema Sins complaint about plot logistics, people just liked him and didn't like Johnson. As for what they could do with him, his character was a nuclear something or other, the government could probably consult him about nuking the kaijus and send him into San Francisco to help disarm the weapon at the end. Or maybe Olson is his daughter and he goes in to save her having blamed himself for his wife's death. I don't know. Matthew Broderick's character in the other Godzilla movie studied worms for a living and they managed to keep him around. I can’t say I see where exactly CinemaSins comes into play. All I’m saying is that there’s generally a limit to what you can have human characters do in kaiju movies, so if you’re going to keep a character involved in the plot, you have to find a way to do so in a manner that doesn’t come off as forced. In terms of consulting the government, that’s basically the role Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins’ characters serve. They’re the ones who are established as experts on giant monsters. Meanwhile, Aaron Taylor Johnson’s character serves the role of disarming the nuclear warhead at the end, which makes sense for a character with a military background, but would be a bit of a stretch for Bryan Cranston’s character. Cranston fills the purpose of investigating the government conspiracy, and his death helps establish a tangible sense of stakes. It’s a minor role in the grand scheme of things, but I’d imagine that people would’ve been less disappointed if Cranston wasn’t at the peak of his popularity thanks to Walter White, and if the marketing hadn’t focused so much on him, to the point where most people just assumed he was the lead. I can’t say I found Ford Brody (Johnson’s character) to be particularly compelling, but he works as a sort of audience stand-in who learns everything as we do, and his military background means he has a believable excuse to be involved in the monster action.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 17, 2024 2:25:32 GMT
I like it. It’s not great, but it’s good.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 17, 2024 5:33:15 GMT
The real-real problem is that he was the only character with a compelling backstory/played by an actor who wasn't sleepwalking, especially in comparison to the film's lead. It's not a Cinema Sins complaint about plot logistics, people just liked him and didn't like Johnson. As for what they could do with him, his character was a nuclear something or other, the government could probably consult him about nuking the kaijus and send him into San Francisco to help disarm the weapon at the end. Or maybe Olson is his daughter and he goes in to save her having blamed himself for his wife's death. I don't know. Matthew Broderick's character in the other Godzilla movie studied worms for a living and they managed to keep him around. I can’t say I see where exactly CinemaSins comes into play. All I’m saying is that there’s generally a limit to what you can have human characters do in kaiju movies, so if you’re going to keep a character involved in the plot, you have to find a way to do so in a manner that doesn’t come off as forced. In terms of consulting the government, that’s basically the role Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins’ characters serve. They’re the ones who are established as experts on giant monsters. Meanwhile, Aaron Taylor Johnson’s character serves the role of disarming the nuclear warhead at the end, which makes sense for a character with a military background, but would be a bit of a stretch for Bryan Cranston’s character. Cranston fills the purpose of investigating the government conspiracy, and his death helps establish a tangible sense of stakes. It’s a minor role in the grand scheme of things, but I’d imagine that people would’ve been less disappointed if Cranston wasn’t at the peak of his popularity thanks to Walter White, and if the marketing hadn’t focused so much on him, to the point where most people just assumed he was the lead. I can’t say I found Ford Brody (Johnson’s character) to be particularly compelling, but he works as a sort of audience stand-in who learns everything as we do, and his military background means he has a believable excuse to be involved in the monster action. I just mean it seems like an overly technical way of looking at the movie, to suffer through multiple boring characters instead of one enjoyable one just to avoid "This character shouldn't be in this situation" dings. Finding ways to keep a central character the central character is basic storytelling, and if they had to alter the story a bit to keep Cranston, it's not like the movie had a very intricate plot in the first place. Johnson kinda just wanders place to place up until he gets sent into San Fran anyway. I don't know if you saw Godzilla Minus One, but that's a Kaiju movie with one central character and I think they did a great job building the plot around him. You're not wrong that people had Walter White fever and the trailers tapped into that and gave audiences false expectations, but Johnson being a boring lead is another common complaint mostly independent of that.
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Post by thisguy4000 on May 17, 2024 15:25:06 GMT
I can’t say I see where exactly CinemaSins comes into play. All I’m saying is that there’s generally a limit to what you can have human characters do in kaiju movies, so if you’re going to keep a character involved in the plot, you have to find a way to do so in a manner that doesn’t come off as forced. In terms of consulting the government, that’s basically the role Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins’ characters serve. They’re the ones who are established as experts on giant monsters. Meanwhile, Aaron Taylor Johnson’s character serves the role of disarming the nuclear warhead at the end, which makes sense for a character with a military background, but would be a bit of a stretch for Bryan Cranston’s character. Cranston fills the purpose of investigating the government conspiracy, and his death helps establish a tangible sense of stakes. It’s a minor role in the grand scheme of things, but I’d imagine that people would’ve been less disappointed if Cranston wasn’t at the peak of his popularity thanks to Walter White, and if the marketing hadn’t focused so much on him, to the point where most people just assumed he was the lead. I can’t say I found Ford Brody (Johnson’s character) to be particularly compelling, but he works as a sort of audience stand-in who learns everything as we do, and his military background means he has a believable excuse to be involved in the monster action. I just mean it seems like an overly technical way of looking at the movie, to suffer through multiple boring characters instead of one enjoyable one just to avoid "This character shouldn't be in this situation" dings. Finding ways to keep a central character the central character is basic storytelling, and if they had to alter the story a bit to keep Cranston, it's not like the movie had a very intricate plot in the first place. Johnson kinda just wanders place to place up until he gets sent into San Fran anyway. I don't know if you saw Godzilla Minus One, but that's a Kaiju movie with one central character and I think they did a great job building the plot around him. You're not wrong that people had Walter White fever and the trailers tapped into that and gave audiences false expectations, but Johnson being a boring lead is another common complaint mostly independent of that. Unfortunately, I never got around to seeing Minus One when it was out in theaters, but I plan to watch it as soon as I have some legal means of doing so. As for Aaron Taylor Johnson, I don’t exactly disagree that he’s not an especially interesting lead. I just meant that people would’ve been less likely to complain about Bryan Cranston getting killed off so soon if they hadn’t been led to believe that he was a more significant character than he actually was.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on May 17, 2024 21:14:19 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 18, 2024 2:49:09 GMT
I just mean it seems like an overly technical way of looking at the movie, to suffer through multiple boring characters instead of one enjoyable one just to avoid "This character shouldn't be in this situation" dings. Finding ways to keep a central character the central character is basic storytelling, and if they had to alter the story a bit to keep Cranston, it's not like the movie had a very intricate plot in the first place. Johnson kinda just wanders place to place up until he gets sent into San Fran anyway. I don't know if you saw Godzilla Minus One, but that's a Kaiju movie with one central character and I think they did a great job building the plot around him. You're not wrong that people had Walter White fever and the trailers tapped into that and gave audiences false expectations, but Johnson being a boring lead is another common complaint mostly independent of that. Unfortunately, I never got around to seeing Minus One when it was out in theaters, but I plan to watch it as soon as I have some legal means of doing so. As for Aaron Taylor Johnson, I don’t exactly disagree that he’s not an especially interesting lead. I just meant that people would’ve been less likely to complain about Bryan Cranston getting killed off so soon if they hadn’t been led to believe that he was a more significant character than he actually was. I highly recommend it. You could probably check it out at the library. That may be true to a certain extent. Though I personally was really into the Cranston character on his own. I think the opening where he is forced to shut the door on his wife to prevent the radiation leak is pretty powerful stuff for a Godzilla movie.
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