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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:23:15 GMT
A lot of the comedy in the MCU is not only terrible, but unnecessary and is detrimental to the films’ quality. How is this false? You should be honest to yourself. We’re critical because we want the films to be better so we can enjoy them too. It's false because it is only the opinion of a few. The majority of audiences (and critics) appreciate MCU humor in its entirety. It's still a valid criticism. I'm an MCU fan and I find that the humor in some of the movies really falls flat and feels like an unnecessary studio mandate. Doctor Strange is the best example of this.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 17:26:48 GMT
They appreciate some of the humour. Pretty sure that not everyone appreciate Drax’s turds and nipples. Except: 1. You're now isolating this to just 1 example, whereas earlier you were making the claim that a lot of MCU humor is terrible. 2. "Not everyone appreciates" is quite different from making a blanket statement that MCU's humor is detrimental to their movies. I'm sure there are some who don't appreciate the humor, that doesn't mean that MCU's humor is generally disliked. 3. Majority of people still like majority of MCU's humor, which makes your entire statement false. A lot of the humour is bad. It’s not simply GOTG 2. I used the most obvious example. I’m not going to chronicle all of the terrible humour in every film. It would be too laborious. It would take me a long time to simply list it for GOTG, or Iron Man 3, or AOU, or Ant-Man. And yes, most if not all of the films have excessive amounts of comedy which irritates a significant amount of people. Many franchises do not have this. Just as the nipples and turds were unpopular, as was many other jokes in most of the other films. It’s frustrating because it’s not necessary. A writer/s with taste would not include it and the films would be better for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:29:49 GMT
Except: 1. You're now isolating this to just 1 example, whereas earlier you were making the claim that a lot of MCU humor is terrible. 2. "Not everyone appreciates" is quite different from making a blanket statement that MCU's humor is detrimental to their movies. I'm sure there are some who don't appreciate the humor, that doesn't mean that MCU's humor is generally disliked. 3. Majority of people still like majority of MCU's humor, which makes your entire statement false. A lot of the humour is bad. It’s not simply GOTG 2. I used the most obvious example. I’m not going to chronicle all of the terrible humour in every film. It would be too laborious. It would take me a long time to simply list it for GOTG, or Iron Man 3, or AOU, or Ant-Man. And yes, most if not all of the films have excessive amounts of comedy which is irritates a significant amount of people. Many franchises do not have this. Just as the nipples and turds were unpopular, as was many other jokes in most of the other films. It’s frustrating because it’s not necessary. A writer/s with taste would not include it and the films would be better for it. Just look at how many people despised the MCU-esque humor in TLJ. It's all unnecessary, and at times cringy.
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Post by Skaathar on May 10, 2018 17:39:36 GMT
Except: 1. You're now isolating this to just 1 example, whereas earlier you were making the claim that a lot of MCU humor is terrible. 2. "Not everyone appreciates" is quite different from making a blanket statement that MCU's humor is detrimental to their movies. I'm sure there are some who don't appreciate the humor, that doesn't mean that MCU's humor is generally disliked. 3. Majority of people still like majority of MCU's humor, which makes your entire statement false. A lot of the humour is bad. It’s not simply GOTG 2. I used the most obvious example. I’m not going to chronicle all of the terrible humour in every film. It would be too laborious. It would take me a long time to simply list it for GOTG, or Iron Man 3, or AOU, or Ant-Man. And yes, most if not all of the films have excessive amounts of comedy which irritates a significant amount of people. Many franchises do not have this. Just as the nipples and turds were unpopular, as was many other jokes in most of the other films. It’s frustrating because it’s not necessary. A writer/s with taste would not include it and the films would be better for it. And yet this is all your opinion, again. As majority of audiences and critics alike enjoyed MCU's humor. The numbers, ratings, reviews, and BO all speak for themselves.
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Post by Skaathar on May 10, 2018 17:41:16 GMT
A lot of the humour is bad. It’s not simply GOTG 2. I used the most obvious example. I’m not going to chronicle all of the terrible humour in every film. It would be too laborious. It would take me a long time to simply list it for GOTG, or Iron Man 3, or AOU, or Ant-Man. And yes, most if not all of the films have excessive amounts of comedy which is irritates a significant amount of people. Many franchises do not have this. Just as the nipples and turds were unpopular, as was many other jokes in most of the other films. It’s frustrating because it’s not necessary. A writer/s with taste would not include it and the films would be better for it. Just look at how many people despised the MCU-esque humor in TLJ. It's all unnecessary, and at times cringy. If it's humor in TLJ then it's TLJ humor, not MCU humor. Just because a movie has humor doesn't mean it automatically copied it from the MCU. Besides, when has the MCU ever used cutesy porg-like-creatures to elicit a laugh?
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 17:44:40 GMT
A lot of the humour is bad. It’s not simply GOTG 2. I used the most obvious example. I’m not going to chronicle all of the terrible humour in every film. It would be too laborious. It would take me a long time to simply list it for GOTG, or Iron Man 3, or AOU, or Ant-Man. And yes, most if not all of the films have excessive amounts of comedy which irritates a significant amount of people. Many franchises do not have this. Just as the nipples and turds were unpopular, as was many other jokes in most of the other films. It’s frustrating because it’s not necessary. A writer/s with taste would not include it and the films would be better for it. And yet this is all your opinion, again. As majority of audiences and critics alike enjoyed MCU's humor. The numbers, ratings, reviews, and BO all speak for themselves. No, they don’t enjoy the humour. They watch the films despite the humour, not because of it. I saw IW war twice.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 10, 2018 17:48:16 GMT
Just look at how many people despised the MCU-esque humor in TLJ. It's all unnecessary, and at times cringy. If it's humor in TLJ then it's TLJ humor, not MCU humor. Just because a movie has humor doesn't mean it automatically copied it from the MCU. Besides, when has the MCU ever used cutesy porg-like-creatures to elicit a laugh? Agreed skaathar. Star Wars has always had lots of humor. Star Wars and MCU are both blockbuster popcorn fantasy franchises. They both do that very well. If your taste is different than watch something else. I wish these folks would stop insisting that everyone agrees with them and "significant" numbers of people hate the humor in the MCU. The only way to gauge that is to look at the success or failure of a movie. Constantly stating an opinion doe snot make it fact. BTW, George Lucas himself states that Star Wars can be enjoyed by all ages but it is written for 12 year olds.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:50:13 GMT
Just look at how many people despised the MCU-esque humor in TLJ. It's all unnecessary, and at times cringy. If it's humor in TLJ then it's TLJ humor, not MCU humor. Just because a movie has humor doesn't mean it automatically copied it from the MCU. Besides, when has the MCU ever used cutesy porg-like-creatures to elicit a laugh? I liked the Porgs. Poe trolling General Hux is a perfect example of humor that felt straight out of the MCU. I thought I was watching GOTG. Luke throwing his lightsaber in what should've been a much more serious and dramatic scene is another example. It completely ruined the moment.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 10, 2018 17:50:39 GMT
It's false because it is only the opinion of a few. The majority of audiences (and critics) appreciate MCU humor in its entirety. It's still a valid criticism. I'm an MCU fan and I find that the humor in some of the movies really falls flat and feels like an unnecessary studio mandate. Doctor Strange is the best example of this. No one is going to love every single joke or scene or line in a movie. You are stating a valid opinion and a great discussion can be had. But the OP is talking about the trolls who come here and bend the truth to put the movies in a negative light and then argue that any other opinion is invalid.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 17:58:14 GMT
If it's humor in TLJ then it's TLJ humor, not MCU humor. Just because a movie has humor doesn't mean it automatically copied it from the MCU. Besides, when has the MCU ever used cutesy porg-like-creatures to elicit a laugh? Agreed skaathar. Star Wars has always had lots of humor. Star Wars and MCU are both blockbuster popcorn fantasy franchises. They both do that very well. If your taste is different than watch something else. I wish these folks would stop insisting that everyone agrees with them and "significant" numbers of people hate the humor in the MCU. The only way to gauge that is to look at the success or failure of a movie. Constantly stating an opinion doe snot make it fact. BTW, George Lucas himself states that Star Wars can be enjoyed by all ages but it is written fro 12 year olds. You can have humour but just not terrible humour and lots of it. That’s limited to think it’s success justifies its entire content. Turds and nipples (and hundreds of others) isn’t justified simply because the films are a success. I’d argue that the films succeed due to the positive factors that are so strong that they carry films which get so much wrong. The technical staff are meticulous in their work. Why shouldn’t the writing be held to the same standards? Turds and nipples is the equivalent of Rocket Raccoon being stick figure CGI. We wouldn’t accept that.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:59:58 GMT
It's still a valid criticism. I'm an MCU fan and I find that the humor in some of the movies really falls flat and feels like an unnecessary studio mandate. Doctor Strange is the best example of this. No one is going to love every single joke or scene or line in a movie. You are stating a valid opinion and a great discussion can be had. But the OP is talking about the trolls who come here and bend the truth to put the movies in a negative light and then argue that any other opinion is invalid. That's true. But the line is so arbitrarily drawn sometimes. Old Archie Stanford used to go on attack every time I had a slight criticism of an MCU movie. I'd rather allow all opinions, even purely negative ones than create an environment where no criticisms are permitted because I honestly don't think there can be a happy medium on the Internet.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 10, 2018 18:07:47 GMT
Agreed skaathar. Star Wars has always had lots of humor. Star Wars and MCU are both blockbuster popcorn fantasy franchises. They both do that very well. If your taste is different than watch something else. I wish these folks would stop insisting that everyone agrees with them and "significant" numbers of people hate the humor in the MCU. The only way to gauge that is to look at the success or failure of a movie. Constantly stating an opinion doe snot make it fact. BTW, George Lucas himself states that Star Wars can be enjoyed by all ages but it is written fro 12 year olds. You can have humour but just not terrible humour and lots of it. That’s limited to think it’s success justifies its entire context. Turds and nipples (and hundreds of others) isn’t justified simply because the films are a success. I’d argue that the films succeed due to the positive factors that are so strong that they carry films which get so much wrong. The technical staff are meticulous in their work. Why shouldn’t the writing be held to the same standards? Turds and nipples is the equivalent of Rocket Raccoon being stick figure CGI. We wouldn’t accept that. You keep stating your opinion as if it will make me change mine. It won't. Your obsession with turds and nipples is worrisome. Those particular lines (out of 19 movies) were appropriate for the characters that said them and the context of the scenes. I like movies with healthy doses of action, drama, and humor going all the way back to Robin hood in 1938 and Gunga Din in 1939 and hundreds of movies since. No two people like the exact same things. You don't like nipple jokes and I hate C-3PO. But Is till love Star Wars and I don'd pretend there is some scientific formula for how many jokes should be allowed in a movie and which type of jokes are banned. And I don't condemn the writing if I don't laugh at every single joke.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 18:07:54 GMT
Agreed skaathar. Star Wars has always had lots of humor. Star Wars and MCU are both blockbuster popcorn fantasy franchises. They both do that very well. If your taste is different than watch something else. I wish these folks would stop insisting that everyone agrees with them and "significant" numbers of people hate the humor in the MCU. The only way to gauge that is to look at the success or failure of a movie. Constantly stating an opinion doe snot make it fact. BTW, George Lucas himself states that Star Wars can be enjoyed by all ages but it is written fro 12 year olds. You can have humour but just not terrible humour and lots of it. That’s limited to think it’s success justifies its entire context. Turds and nipples (and hundreds of others) isn’t justified simply because the films are a success. I’d argue that the films succeed due to the positive factors that are so strong that they carry films which get so much wrong. The technical staff are meticulous in their work. Why shouldn’t the writing be held to the same standards? Turds and nipples is the equivalent of Rocket Raccoon being stick figure CGI. We wouldn’t accept that. The worst thing they do is undercut dramatic moments with humor in almost every scene. Quill is forced to promise Gamora that he will kill her to prevent Thanos from capturing her. Very dramatic and poignant- but of course it's instantly cheapened by a joke with Drax. They do this to make the drama palatable for general audiences, especially younger ones. Thankfully they didn't add a joke like this in the final scenes.
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Post by Skaathar on May 10, 2018 18:08:21 GMT
It's false because it is only the opinion of a few. The majority of audiences (and critics) appreciate MCU humor in its entirety. It's still a valid criticism. I'm an MCU fan and I find that the humor in some of the movies really falls flat and feels like an unnecessary studio mandate. Doctor Strange is the best example of this. Had Power Ranger said "some of the humor" then it would have been a valid criticism. He said "a lot of the humor" and in further replies implied that he actually meant most of the humor. That made his statement entirely false.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 18:20:28 GMT
You can have humour but just not terrible humour and lots of it. That’s limited to think it’s success justifies its entire context. Turds and nipples (and hundreds of others) isn’t justified simply because the films are a success. I’d argue that the films succeed due to the positive factors that are so strong that they carry films which get so much wrong. The technical staff are meticulous in their work. Why shouldn’t the writing be held to the same standards? Turds and nipples is the equivalent of Rocket Raccoon being stick figure CGI. We wouldn’t accept that. You keep stating your opinion as if it will make me change mine. It won't. Your obsession with turds and nipples is worrisome. Those particular lines (out of 19 movies) were appropriate for the characters that said them and the context of the scenes. I like movies with healthy doses of action, drama, and humor going all the way back to Robin hood in 1938 and Gunga Din in 1939 and hundreds of movies since. No two people like the exact same things. You don't like nipple jokes and I hate C-3PO. But Is till love Star Wars and I don'd pretend there is some scientific formula for how many jokes should be allowed in a movie and which type of jokes are banned. And I don't condemn the writing if I don't laugh at every single joke. Let me ask you something. What’s your favourite film? If you don’t have one, what could be close to being your most loved film?
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 18:24:21 GMT
It's still a valid criticism. I'm an MCU fan and I find that the humor in some of the movies really falls flat and feels like an unnecessary studio mandate. Doctor Strange is the best example of this. Had Power Ranger said "some of the humor" then it would have been a valid criticism. He said "a lot of the humor" and in further replies implied that he actually meant most of the humor. That made his statement entirely false. Because the bad humour can be particularly irritating. It can kill scenes. Some hate the turds and nipples. Some don’t mind it. But NO ONE watches Marvel for the turds and nipples. So why have it? *By turds and nipples I mean all of the humour fails obviously.
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Post by Skaathar on May 10, 2018 18:26:36 GMT
Had Power Ranger said "some of the humor" then it would have been a valid criticism. He said "a lot of the humor" and in further replies implied that he actually meant most of the humor. That made his statement entirely false. Because the bad humour can be particularly irritating. It can kill scenes. Some hate the turds and nipples. Some don’t mind it. But NO ONE watches Marvel for the turds and nipples. So why have it? *By turds and nipples I mean all of the humour fails obviously. Ok I'm going to extend to you an olive branch. Are you saying that only a select few of MCU humor is bad? Or are you saying that majority of their humor is bad?
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Post by Power Ranger on May 10, 2018 18:35:44 GMT
Because the bad humour can be particularly irritating. It can kill scenes. Some hate the turds and nipples. Some don’t mind it. But NO ONE watches Marvel for the turds and nipples. So why have it? *By turds and nipples I mean all of the humour fails obviously. Ok I'm going to extend to you an olive branch. Are you saying that only a select few of MCU humor is bad? Or are you saying that majority of their humor is bad? It depends on the film. IM, IM2, CA, CA:WS, CA:CW and S:H had little of it. Avengers and Infinity War had their fair share. IM3 and the GOTGs absolutely did. Thor Ragnorok is the example of a film that had a lot of comedy that was rarely cringeworthy.
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Post by Skaathar on May 10, 2018 18:39:30 GMT
Ok I'm going to extend to you an olive branch. Are you saying that only a select few of MCU humor is bad? Or are you saying that majority of their humor is bad? It depends on the film. IM, IM2, CA, CA:WS, CA:CW and S:H had little of it. Avengers and Infinity War had their fair share. IM3 and the GOTGs absolutely did. Thor Ragnorok is the example of a film that had a lot of comedy that was rarely cringeworthy. No no, we don't want to get into individual films here. You referred to MCU as a whole in your original post so I'm asking you, as a whole, are there only specific bad jokes for the MCU or are you saying majority of the humor in the MCU is bad?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 10, 2018 19:46:27 GMT
A lot of the comedy in the MCU is not only terrible, but unnecessary and is detrimental to the films’ quality. How is this false? You should be honest to yourself. We’re critical because we want the films to be better so we can enjoy them too. There's a difference between trolling and being critical. If you and others were critical in the same sense as Captain Midnight or Nando V Movies or Tony Zhou or Iamthatroby then this thread probably wouldn't have been made. But you and others just make thread after thread that projects pretentiousness and a stone cold attitude where whatever you criticize is truth that cannot be debated about and that whoever enjoys the films is below you in intelligence and social class. If you guys are oh so superior and dislike the MCU so much then why spend so much time talking about it and see their latest? Imagine, all that energy you spend talking crap about the MCU you could actually be doing something legitimately productive with your time.
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