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Post by thenewnexus on May 11, 2018 7:11:28 GMT
Those are minor compared to the other mcu movies Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". Just like how you keep telling people mcu movies are not kid movies.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 11, 2018 10:32:50 GMT
lol at the fallacious drama queen. I find it amazing how such a outstandingly mean-spirited and aggressive fanbase can at the same time be so pathetically whiny when scratched. Likely because this is the very nature of the manchild.
To be clear: Never before have I seen a more wretched hive of scum of villainy. A bunch of compensating, uneducated basement dwellers who SYSTEMATICALLY go out to soil, bully and degrade other franchises in an desperate effort to compensate their lack of character and personal achievement.
And as we all know, that is just the tip of the iceberg, it begin with the routine fanboy faux-gloating & bullying and ends with criminal acts, doxxing, racism and sexism to a degree I have never seen in any other fandom on this or other forums.
One cannot look away. If you whine we are doing something right.
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Post by sostie on May 11, 2018 10:40:29 GMT
What a fucking hero
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Post by charzhino on May 11, 2018 11:30:59 GMT
Those are minor compared to the other mcu movies Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 11, 2018 12:07:36 GMT
Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them. not in his bed, the raccoon said he will put a squishy turds in Starlord's PILLOW, and that it will be Drax's famously huge turds even if he gets shaved for it ("Hahahaah"). The Thor 2 subway gag is one of the very few joke I found so absurd it is funny again.
But the general problem with MCU or blockbuster humor in general is that it's not quality comedy writing but just random juvenile slapstick. Good comedy writing is one of the most difficult things to do and takes talent, time and creativity...as do musical scores! That clip painfully reminded me that the Dr Strange-theme is just a blatent rehash of the Star Trek 2009 theme. Speed produces regurgitated fast food, in tone and picture.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 11, 2018 12:14:43 GMT
The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them. not in his bed, the raccoon said he will put a squishy turds in Starlord's PILLOW, and that it will be Drax's famously huge turds even if he gets shaved for it ("Hahahaah"). The Thor 2 subway gag is one of the very few joke I found so absurd it is funny again.
But the general problem with MCU or blockbuster humor in general is that it's not quality comedy writing but just random juvenile slapstick. Good comedy writing is one of the most difficult things to do and takes talent, time and creativity...as do musical scores! That clip painfully reminded me that the Dr Strange-theme is just a blatent rehash of the Star Trek 2009 theme. Speed produces regurgitated fast food, in tone and picture. Yeah the music in the Strange clip really stood out as generic and campy. I didn't have a problem with the humor in that film though, probably because I was never a huge Doctor Strange fan. Though we usually disagree on the humor in MCU movies, anyway. Totally agree about Thor 2, they went overboard in that one. Every character was the comic relief 100% of the time, it was ridiculous. There was no sidekick and no straight man, they all had the same personality and just bounced dopey one liners off each other the entire time. I have to admit a lot of the humor in GOTG 2 didn't land for me, either. In general I enjoy the goofy rapport they all have together, but the jokes fell flat for the most part in that one. I thought the humor regarding the Guardians was much better in IW, and it wasn't even their movie.
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Post by charzhino on May 11, 2018 12:25:48 GMT
not in his bed, the raccoon said he will put a squishy turds in Starlord's PILLOW, and that it will be Drax's famously huge turds even if he gets shaved for it ("Hahahaah"). The Thor 2 subway gag is one of the very few joke I found so absurd it is funny again. But the general problem with MCU or blockbuster humor in general is that it's not quality comedy writing but just random juvenile slapstick. Good comedy writing is one of the most difficult things to do and takes talent, time and creativity...as do musical scores! That clip painfully reminded me that the Dr Strange-theme is just a blatent rehash of the Star Trek 2009 theme. Speed produces regurgitated fast food, in tone and picture. Ah yes it was the pillow. So forgettable that I forgot they actually went into intricate details about it. Thor 2 is a good film but all that stupid comedy by Darcy and that Subway scene is just cringe. I wouldnt even say its blockbuster generic humour, its specifically Disney MCU and Star Wars. They have been weird obsession about lowering dramatic outtakes by inserting low brow Laurel & Hardy type slapstick. But their formula works. Im just shocked mature audiences eat it up, I genuinely didnt believe people could have such low standards of what triggers them to laugh.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 11, 2018 12:43:52 GMT
not in his bed, the raccoon said he will put a squishy turds in Starlord's PILLOW, and that it will be Drax's famously huge turds even if he gets shaved for it ("Hahahaah"). The Thor 2 subway gag is one of the very few joke I found so absurd it is funny again. But the general problem with MCU or blockbuster humor in general is that it's not quality comedy writing but just random juvenile slapstick. Good comedy writing is one of the most difficult things to do and takes talent, time and creativity...as do musical scores! That clip painfully reminded me that the Dr Strange-theme is just a blatent rehash of the Star Trek 2009 theme. Speed produces regurgitated fast food, in tone and picture. Ah yes it was the pillow. So forgettable that I forgot they actually went into intricate details about it. Thor 2 is a good film but all that stupid comedy by Darcy and that Subway scene is just cringe. I wouldnt even say its blockbuster generic humour, its specifically Disney MCU and Star Wars. They have been weird obsession about lowering dramatic outtakes by inserting low brow Laurel & Hardy type slapstick. But their formula works. Im just shocked mature audiences eat it up, I genuinely didnt believe people could have such low standards of what triggers them to laugh. Disney always had the family entertainment in mind, aimed at children and their parents. With the MCU naturally it's also young teenage-boy-humour thrown into the mix, and that kind of humor typically is not particularily subtle.
I maintain that I found Thor 2's subway scene-writing funny and original, unlike this joke attrocity:
Is this Guardians or Star Wars?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 11, 2018 12:51:54 GMT
not in his bed, the raccoon said he will put a squishy turds in Starlord's PILLOW, and that it will be Drax's famously huge turds even if he gets shaved for it ("Hahahaah"). The Thor 2 subway gag is one of the very few joke I found so absurd it is funny again. But the general problem with MCU or blockbuster humor in general is that it's not quality comedy writing but just random juvenile slapstick. Good comedy writing is one of the most difficult things to do and takes talent, time and creativity...as do musical scores! That clip painfully reminded me that the Dr Strange-theme is just a blatent rehash of the Star Trek 2009 theme. Speed produces regurgitated fast food, in tone and picture. Ah yes it was the pillow. So forgettable that I forgot they actually went into intricate details about it. Thor 2 is a good film but all that stupid comedy by Darcy and that Subway scene is just cringe. I wouldnt even say its blockbuster generic humour, its specifically Disney MCU and Star Wars. They have been weird obsession about lowering dramatic outtakes by inserting low brow Laurel & Hardy type slapstick. But their formula works. Im just shocked mature audiences eat it up, I genuinely didnt believe people could have such low standards of what triggers them to laugh. The formula doesn't always work, either. It depends on the situation and how it suits the characters. I remember hating Thor 2 due to all the comedy, yet I loved Ragnarok which was just out-and-out zany comedy. Somehow I felt it suited the material (as in locale--oddball outpost in deep space--, characters--Goldblum's Grandmaster, Korg, out of his element Thor) perfectly. Though in retrospect, some of the comedy is misplaced. Probably the best example of what you're talking about takes place in Ragnarok, when Asgard is completely destroyed and Korg cracks a joke. The home world of the title character and his people was just obliterated and it's played for laughs. Hell, I laughed at the time but it really is an odd choice if you're supposed to care about the fate of these people. Don't get me wrong, I still love Ragnarok but I see where you're coming from. Then you have The Last Jedi which to me was just an absolute train wreck. Unlike Ragnarok which was trying to breathe new life into probably the least popular MCU title, TLJ took something that wasn't broken and tried to fix it anyway. Nobody wanted Luke to be a wiseass on top of being a depressed hermit. Nobody wanted contrived political commentary in the form of meaningless side quests for tertiary characters. Nobody wanted a First Order Commander who was a total bumbling buffoon, because an idiot for a leading antagonist puts the heroes in exactly zero danger. So many bad choices in that film. It's about context. How much humor and to what effect, and where do you place it? It can be a crowd pleaser when done right, but it's easy to overdo it and turn 'deliberately offbeat' into 'unintentional camp.' For my money, Marvel has only gone overboard in Age of Ultron, Thor: The Dark World and maybe GOTG 2. And even then I still like AoU and GOTG 2, but again I see why people can get turned off by the overuse of humor in scenes where it simply doesn't belong.
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Post by charzhino on May 11, 2018 13:20:28 GMT
Is this Guardians or Star Wars? Ugh i remember that from TLJ. Cheesefest and made the First Order look like amateur clowns with zero threat. Although I read in an analysis somewhere that that was the point. The First Order were meant to represent the white supremacist Nazis of today and making them look silly and dumb was intentional to show their ideology is also equally dumb.
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Post by charzhino on May 11, 2018 13:24:52 GMT
I remember hating Thor 2 due to all the comedy, yet I loved Ragnarok which was just out-and-out zany comedy. Thats surprising because you said in Thor 2 every character is there for comic relief, theres not just 1 or 2. Well I can say the same about Ragnarok, every character with the exception of Heimdall is cracking jokes, even Banner. Korg would have been perfect as the comic relief because he was genuinely funny but when you start to make everyone do quips and gags it dilutes the comedy as a whole and also minimises the drama. In Thor 2 I would say only Selvig, Darcy and the intern are comedy relievers. Everything that takes place on Asgard is more serious and dramatic.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 11, 2018 13:42:23 GMT
I remember hating Thor 2 due to all the comedy, yet I loved Ragnarok which was just out-and-out zany comedy. Thats surprising because you said in Thor 2 every character is there for comic relief, theres not just 1 or 2. Well I can say the same about Ragnarok, every character with the exception of Heimdall is cracking jokes, even Banner. Korg would have been perfect as the comic relief because he was genuinely funny but when you start to make everyone do quips and gags it dilutes the comedy as a whole and also minimises the drama. In Thor 2 I would say only Selvig, Darcy and the intern are comedy relievers. Everything that takes place on Asgard is more serious and dramatic. Totally agree about Ragnarok, but again I think the comedy works in that setting. The entire situation is so bizarre that nobody can make heads or tails of it, so the comedy works (at least for me). Regarding Dark World, I just remember Thor trying to hang his hammer on a coat rack, Selvig running around naked, Darcy being Darcy and Jane arguing with the Asgardians over what kind of machine they're using on her. I've only seen it once. I mentioned a few months ago that considering how much I enjoyed Ragnarok, I should give Dark World a rewatch. Perhaps I'll see it as more of a transition into the bonkers world of Ragnarok than the contrived comedy fest I took it for the first time.
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Post by charzhino on May 11, 2018 14:30:15 GMT
Thats surprising because you said in Thor 2 every character is there for comic relief, theres not just 1 or 2. Well I can say the same about Ragnarok, every character with the exception of Heimdall is cracking jokes, even Banner. Korg would have been perfect as the comic relief because he was genuinely funny but when you start to make everyone do quips and gags it dilutes the comedy as a whole and also minimises the drama. In Thor 2 I would say only Selvig, Darcy and the intern are comedy relievers. Everything that takes place on Asgard is more serious and dramatic. Totally agree about Ragnarok, but again I think the comedy works in that setting. The entire situation is so bizarre that nobody can make heads or tails of it, so the comedy works (at least for me). Regarding Dark World, I just remember Thor trying to hang his hammer on a coat rack, Selvig running around naked, Darcy being Darcy and Jane arguing with the Asgardians over what kind of machine they're using on her. I've only seen it once. I mentioned a few months ago that considering how much I enjoyed Ragnarok, I should give Dark World a rewatch. Perhaps I'll see it as more of a transition into the bonkers world of Ragnarok than the contrived comedy fest I took it for the first time. If you do rewatch it just skip all that nonsense with Darcy and Selvig on earth and focus on the Asgard stuff. Thats what i do
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Post by Lord Death Man on May 11, 2018 14:57:31 GMT
Although it's been said, many times, many ways...
This place isn't an MCU FAN forum. It's a digital internment camp disguised as an MCU "discussion" Forum. There's a huge difference between the two. Discussion forums on the internet, no matter how well-intentioned or well policed, degrade into a toxic stew of insults and trolling. It's true. Trolls will eventually worm their way into polite society and inject their venom into the proceedings while calling it "dissenting views."
Fan forums are for people who appreciate the thing they're discussing (in spite of its flaws or missteps).
So, in brief, if you are a "fan" of the MCU, this place is a complete waste of time. When you're ready to have your internment camp ink removed, PM me. My name is Lord Death Man, and Death loves you.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 11, 2018 15:26:51 GMT
Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them. You mean character based humor? Thor Ragnarok was pure comedy and subverted expectations. The window was suppose to break when he threw the ball. Banner was suppose to change because we saw it happen before. Even in TIH, Banner had that moment of fear that he wasn't going to change. Hulk just had a knock-down drag-out battle with Thor a half hour before. Hulk continued that. Does that omelette line keep you awake at night? "You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs." Thor taking the subway tells you what happens if he lost his hammer and too far from the battle. He'd have to get some form of transportation or run all the way. And running all the way would have even bigger comedic applications. You do realize that Rocket is still an animal, right? Think about his characterization. His biggest thing is that he steals. You know like a raccoon going through your garbage. Him talking about leaving turds around is something that an animal would do. Drax and Mantis is the same type of character. That's why they mesh well together. An Mantis is an alien that doesn't understand an idiom. "Kick ass and take names later" is something she heard from Quill and didn't quite understand.
Is it needless? Do you mean Strange not knowing what something random he grabbed does? Or him going for a weapon, but the cloak telling him to go for the device that would restrain Kaecilius?
Do you sit at home, brooding while you are plugged in waiting for your batteries to recharge? Are you some teen that thinks that something being humorous is for kids and makes you a mature adult? Newsflash, kid, it doesn't.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 11, 2018 15:39:14 GMT
Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". Just like how you keep telling people mcu movies are not kid movies. They aren't. More like family movies. Anyone can enjoy them at any age.
Wait, are you trying to move on to another "reason" right when I said you'd move on to anther reason?
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Post by thenewnexus on May 11, 2018 16:08:06 GMT
Minor? Stuff like that is all through the movie. I think you guys don't know what you don't like about the movies (if you don't at all) so just use the "socially accepted" reason. Next you'll move on to another "reason". The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them. Don't forget ronan being beat by dancing and the toy train fight in Antman. While Thanos is destroying New York Stark,Strange and Banner are talking about Ice Cream. All of Thor and Lokis scenes together in Shitnerok. I ll admit at least In the First Two THOR MOVIES AND Avengers some of their scenes at least seemed serious,but in Shitnerok their scenes together are so childish.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 11, 2018 16:29:29 GMT
Don't forget ronan being beat by dancing and the toy train fight in Antman. While Thanos is destroying New York Stark,Strange and Banner are talking about Ice Cream. All of Thor and Lokis scenes together in Shitnerok. I ll admit at least In the First Two THOR MOVIES AND Avengers some of their scenes at least seemed serious,but in Shitnerok their scenes together are so childish. Ronan wasn't beaten by a dance contest and the ice cream conversation happened before the attack started. It's fine of you don't like those scenes, but your depiction of events is inaccurate.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 11, 2018 16:59:45 GMT
The comedy is more subtle with maturer, intelligent jokes in winter soldier and Black panther than the rest. The other MCU movies DUMB down the humour to the point that its specifically aimed at young children with lots of slapstick and thats annoying as hell. Thor getting knocked over by the ball he threw at the window after a dramatic convincing of valkiriy. Banner landing face first on the rainbow bridge in a Lame way in the middle of a massacre. Hulk punching Thor for no reason in Avengers. Ultron making OMELLETE jokes during a serious exchange. Thor taking the subway in Dark World in middle of a universe dependant battle. Rocket saying he will lay turds in someones bed in gotg2. Drax and mantis making some stupid jokes about yawning and kicking names taking ass during a plan that could stop Thanos. Look at all these needless jokes and gags during the Dr Strange fight. Seriously you can write all those jokes, quips and slapstick outta all those scenes and they would be infinitely better because only children and man children would find those funny. Please tell me you dont laugh at them. Don't forget ronan being beat by dancing and the toy train fight in Antman. While Thanos is destroying New York Stark,Strange and Banner are talking about Ice Cream. All of Thor and Lokis scenes together in Shitnerok. I ll admit at least In the First Two THOR MOVIES AND Avengers some of their scenes at least seemed serious,but in Shitnerok their scenes together are so childish. Ronan wasn't beat by dancing, why the heck do you still delude yourself into believing this? Did you not watch the clip I posted in the thread I made about it? You obviously did so stop making yourself look like such a fool tool. So what? The toy train fight was to give promise to the premise - by showing two characters who can go insect size and how big small things would look by comparison. The movie is called ANT-MAN, genius, you will get plenty of visuals like that to illustrate the extent of his powers. Again, so what? How is that a deal breaker for you? Honestly you might be the only person really bothered by this, which is more on you and the rest of the world. It's called character development, genius. Their relationship got very rocky in the earlier films but their relationship became what it used to be towards the start of IW. "Shitnerok" - Dude, honestly, if you are going to complain about the humor in MCU movies at least try to be mature yourself.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 11, 2018 17:01:29 GMT
Winter Soldier,Black Panther and the Netflix stuff is the only good part of the mcu. I bet you just loved the Twilight movies. Yes, for the reason that they are "mature" as in very muted color palate, melodramatic acting, and violence. Probably also prefers The Last Airbender movie over the animated series as well I wouldn't be shocked.
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