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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 14, 2018 12:04:11 GMT
Why are they protesting? Do they want their practices back?
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Post by THawk on May 14, 2018 12:36:26 GMT
Now this is a group of people that face some of the worst discrimination in America. To go from seemingly straight to gay is considered heroic and literally celebrated across the Western world with giant parades; but do the opposite and you are the very best considered a brainwashed lunatic to be shunned by all. That is due to the biology of being gay. Homosexuals are born that way and actually cannot change being homosexual. These are established facts. As I said in an above post, it is possible for any person of any persuasion to be celibate, and if you look at it like that, you will get a better understanding of the situation. It seems that these individuals for some reason have decided to be celibate, to fit into the expectations of their church due to the otherwise constant and persistent discrimination and bigotry to which they are subjected. It is understandable that homosexuals of faith might want to do this. It is on of the great hypocrisies of the Christian religion ( amongst others) that in this day and age, with the knowledge that we have, that gay people are still garnering bigotry from religion. So much for Jesus' inclusivity and love for all. I like how in your mind you are trying to justify why you are being hateful and bigoted and discounting people's own explanations of their journeys. People can be in heterosexual relationships and be married for 40 years and have children when they come out as gay - and them being gay is perfectly accepted and not questioned ('they have finally embraced their true selves!') . But people who are in gay relationships before they say have been sexually confused but are actually heterosexual - just as I said, you paint them as brainwashed or controlled by religious puppet masters, not giving the slightest F about what they themselves have to say and try to explain to you. Liberals - "tolerance and acceptance for all, except this giant ass, unending list of groups and people we despise!" So much for human rights.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 13:01:26 GMT
Now this is a group of people that face some of the worst discrimination in America. What discrimination do they face, exactly?
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 13:27:58 GMT
There is no such motherfucking thing you idiot! How do you know? Is that because you're a military supervisor? I know because there is no scientific evidence (that is evidence, research, and official statements by credible sources in the fields of biology and psychology) that sexual orientation can “change”. There is no logic to the idea that it can being that it is either the result of nature or a combination of nature and nurture from an early age. If changing your sexual orientation was as easy as changing a pair of pants then EVERYONE who is gay would do it! Obviously most LGBT people have tried to change and upon failure have reported that it cannot be. So the idea that these few knuckleheads say that their sexual orientation cannot be taken at face value. Especially when there are other (religiously inspired) reasons for why they’d be inclined to make such a claim.
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 13:29:27 GMT
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Blow it outta yer' nose. ^Haha 😂 “A” for effort!
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 13:34:47 GMT
Now this is a group of people that face some of the worst discrimination in America. To go from seemingly straight to gay is considered heroic and literally celebrated across the Western world with giant parades I think that’s called “going from gay and in the closet, to gay and out”. To do the opposite would imply that they were straight all along, and just pretending to be gay the whole time (which nobody does). So that’s not even a valid comparison or true reflection on the reality.
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Post by faustus5 on May 14, 2018 14:56:09 GMT
. . .but do the opposite and you are the very best considered a brainwashed lunatic to be shunned by all. Except, like you, they are indeed, objectively, brainwashed idiots. Not lunatics, just idiots. And to some degree, shunning them (and you) is a positive good.
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Post by THawk on May 14, 2018 15:35:00 GMT
Now this is a group of people that face some of the worst discrimination in America. To go from seemingly straight to gay is considered heroic and literally celebrated across the Western world with giant parades I think that’s called “going from gay and in the closet, to gay and out”. To do the opposite would imply that they were straight all along and pretending to be gay (which nobody does). So that’s not a valid comparison or reflection on reality. Nobody, except the mountains of personal testimonies, videos, books etc. etc. written from people in this grouping. When society is deemed to be ignoring or trying to shut down gay voices, it's discrimination, bigotry, hate, etc. But do that to ex-gays, and it's "lala not gonna listen, the churches are all forcing you to say this!" How utterly absurd is that.
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 15:53:28 GMT
I think that’s called “going from gay and in the closet, to gay and out”. To do the opposite would imply that they were straight all along and pretending to be gay (which nobody does). So that’s not a valid comparison or reflection on reality. Nobody, except the mountains of personal testimonies, videos, books etc. etc. written from people in this grouping. When society is deemed to be ignoring or trying to shut down gay voices, it's discrimination, bigotry, hate, etc. But do that to ex-gays, and it's "lala not gonna listen, the churches are all forcing you to say this!" How utterly absurd is that. What’s absurd is your argument. You just said there are tons of testimonies (etc) by people saying that they were ALWAYS STRAIGHT, and just pretending to be gay! That was the inverse of the analogy you used (gay people who were previously in the closet). That destroys your own argument about how their sexual orientation “changed”. If they were only pretending, then their orientation didn’t actually change. And that argument alone disproves the notion that they are “ex-gays”. There is still no such evidence that sexual orientation changed.
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Post by Isapop on May 14, 2018 15:55:14 GMT
I think that’s called “going from gay and in the closet, to gay and out”. To do the opposite would imply that they were straight all along and pretending to be gay (which nobody does). So that’s not a valid comparison or reflection on reality. Nobody, except the mountains of personal testimonies, videos, books etc. etc. written from people in this grouping. Are there really "mountains of personal testimonies" from straight people who were going through life passing as gay? I've never come across any articles describing this phenomenon, but they would make for interesting reading. How about a link? When I googled "Straight people passing as gay", all I got were articles the other way round.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 14, 2018 16:08:34 GMT
Nobody, except the mountains of personal testimonies, videos, books etc. etc. written from people in this grouping. Are there really "mountains of personal testimonies" from straight people who were going through life passing as gay? I've never come across any articles describing this phenomenon, but they would make for interesting reading. How about a link? When I googled "Straight people passing as gay", all I got were articles the other way round.
Many of them might not want to talk about it much outside their congregation. Oh what will we ever do then to convince you? I know, just don't be convinced then. See if I care.
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 16:17:14 GMT
Nobody, except the mountains of personal testimonies, videos, books etc. etc. written from people in this grouping. Are there really "mountains of personal testimonies" from straight people who were going through life passing as gay? I've never come across any articles describing this phenomenon, but they would make for interesting reading. How about a link? When I googled "Straight people passing as gay", all I got were articles the other way round.
Exactly! And that’s exactly how homophobic paranoia works. You invent/create a fake scenario, disguise it as “reality”, and then cry unfair treatment concerning your false reality. Because if you use actual facts, then your argument breaks down and you just end up looking like a homophobic Christian playing the victim again.
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 16:22:45 GMT
Are there really "mountains of personal testimonies" from straight people who were going through life passing as gay? I've never come across any articles describing this phenomenon, but they would make for interesting reading. How about a link? When I googled "Straight people passing as gay", all I got were articles the other way round.
Many of them might not want to talk about it much outside their congregation. Oh what will we ever do then to convince you? I know, just don't be convinced then. See if I care. Well first of all, neither he nor I was actually talking to YOU (innsmouth is the one who we replied to, and he was the one attempting that argument). So nobody much cares what you care about in the first place. Secondly, the burden of proof as you know is on the one making the affirmative claim. There is no credibility to the claim that “ex-gays” are straight people who went through early life because they wanted to pass as gay, because that is not logical. And you or he wanted to claim that there are in facts such people, then you or he should produce evidence of that in the way of the volumes of testimonies that were claimed. Failure to produce that evidence is failure to validate a nonsensical claim. And if you have convinced yourself of that without evidence, then that’s called homophobia (which is a paranoid, unreasonable fear and aversion).
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 14, 2018 16:35:23 GMT
Now this is a group of people that face some of the worst discrimination in America. To go from seemingly straight to gay is considered heroic and literally celebrated across the Western world with giant parades; but do the opposite and you are the very best considered a brainwashed lunatic to be shunned by all. That is due to the biology of being gay. Homosexuals are born that way and actually cannot change being homosexual. These are established facts. As I said in an above post, it is possible for any person of any persuasion to be celibate, and if you look at it like that, you will get a better understanding of the situation. It seems that these individuals for some reason have decided to be celibate, to fit into the expectations of their church due to the otherwise constant and persistent discrimination and bigotry to which they are subjected. It is understandable that homosexuals of faith might want to do this. It is on of the great hypocrisies of the Christian religion ( amongst others) that in this day and age, with the knowledge that we have, that gay people are still garnering bigotry from religion. So much for Jesus' inclusivity and love for all. Sexual attraction has always seemed like more of a continuum to me. At that, yeah, some people are on the extreme ends of the continuum and there's no way they're going to be anything other than hetero or homosexual, but I think there's a lot of fluidity/malleability for a lot of people elsewhere on the spectrum, too. This is controversial, unfortunately, partially because it's rhetorically popular to make a dividing line for rights consideration between people who have no choice but to be however they are and people who do have a choice, but I think what needs to be changed is that rhetoric, which is rather offensive: it doesn't at all respect people who choose to be different, in whatever way they choose that (not just for sexual attraction). It's not okay to discriminate against people just because they make unusual choices. The implied conformity normative of that is offensive. It implies that people need to conform, need to be "normal," etc., just in case it's not impossible for them to do so.
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Post by THawk on May 14, 2018 17:05:10 GMT
Many of them might not want to talk about it much outside their congregation. Oh what will we ever do then to convince you? I know, just don't be convinced then. See if I care. Well first of all, neither he nor I was actually talking to YOU (innsmouth is the one who we replied to, and he was the one attempting that argument). So nobody much cares what you care about in the first place. Secondly, the burden of proof as you know is on the one making the affirmative claim. There is no credibility to the claim that “ex-gays” are straight people who went through early life because they wanted to pass as gay, because that is not logical. And you or he wanted to claim that there are in facts such people, then you or he should produce evidence of that in the way of the volumes of testimonies that were claimed. Failure to produce that evidence is failure to validate a nonsensical claim. And if you have convinced yourself of that without evidence, then that’s called homophobia (which is a paranoid, unreasonable fear and aversion). Yeah I'm not gonna waste my time with willfully obtuse comments. Start by clicking the OP's link. And the organization mentioned. And the many more organizations out there that all talk about the silencing going on. Emily Thomes video I think went viral with millions of views. But not gonna teach you how to use Google. Next you're gonna ask me for evidence of Koala Bears. If someone is not willing to spend 24/7 with you online teaching you some basic research skills, you think there's no "evidence." give me a break.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 14, 2018 17:31:25 GMT
Dozens, eh?
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 18:09:55 GMT
Well first of all, neither he nor I was actually talking to YOU (innsmouth is the one who we replied to, and he was the one attempting that argument). So nobody much cares what you care about in the first place. Secondly, the burden of proof as you know is on the one making the affirmative claim. There is no credibility to the claim that “ex-gays” are straight people who went through early life because they wanted to pass as gay, because that is not logical. And you or he wanted to claim that there are in facts such people, then you or he should produce evidence of that in the way of the volumes of testimonies that were claimed. Failure to produce that evidence is failure to validate a nonsensical claim. And if you have convinced yourself of that without evidence, then that’s called homophobia (which is a paranoid, unreasonable fear and aversion). Yeah I'm not gonna waste my time with willfully obtuse comments. Start by clicking the OP's link. And the organization mentioned. Why should I? It’s not necessary for me to view religious propaganda in order to discredit the logic of YOUR argument. Next you're gonna ask me for evidence of Koala Bears. If someone is not willing to spend 24/7 with you online teaching you some basic research skills, you think there's no "evidence." give me a break. Propaganda does not equal evidence! One of these days when you reach the age of reason, you’ll come to understand that SCIENCE yields facts, not brainwashed testimonials. I already know what the science says, which is how I know there is no evidence validating your claim. But beyond that, your claim is self defeating since there is no credible person claiming that they PRETENDED TO BE GAY for most of their lives.
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Post by captainbryce on May 14, 2018 18:17:52 GMT
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Post by goz on May 14, 2018 21:21:37 GMT
That is due to the biology of being gay. Homosexuals are born that way and actually cannot change being homosexual. These are established facts. As I said in an above post, it is possible for any person of any persuasion to be celibate, and if you look at it like that, you will get a better understanding of the situation. It seems that these individuals for some reason have decided to be celibate, to fit into the expectations of their church due to the otherwise constant and persistent discrimination and bigotry to which they are subjected. It is understandable that homosexuals of faith might want to do this. It is on of the great hypocrisies of the Christian religion ( amongst others) that in this day and age, with the knowledge that we have, that gay people are still garnering bigotry from religion. So much for Jesus' inclusivity and love for all. I like how in your mind you are trying to justify why you are being hateful and bigoted and discounting people's own explanations of their journeys. People can be in heterosexual relationships and be married for 40 years and have children when they come out as gay - and them being gay is perfectly accepted and not questioned ('they have finally embraced their true selves!') . But people who are in gay relationships before they say have been sexually confused but are actually heterosexual - just as I said, you paint them as brainwashed or controlled by religious puppet masters, not giving the slightest F about what they themselves have to say and try to explain to you. Liberals - "tolerance and acceptance for all, except this giant ass, unending list of groups and people we despise!" So much for human rights. Like most of what you say, this post is both perplexing and illogical. Just how am I being hateful and bigoted by explaining that it is factually and biologically impossible for these people to stop being homosexual yet they wish to appease the church that means something to them? I feel sorry for these individuals that they have to make such difficult decisions in their lives due to the pressure THEY PERCEIVE from the church. Their explanation, is in fact YOUR explanation and those in the church like you. IF people in gay relationships are gay, then they are NOT CONFUSED ( for the above reasons in my last post ) they are gay....born that way...biologically unable to change, though to please and appease the current religious pressure on them, they are agreeing to be celibate and reject their previous 'gay' lifestyle perhaps not even know that they can never change being 'gay'. If the Church was truly Christian in deed as well as word, they would accept these individuals how God made them and NOT try to change their behaviours and sense of who they are. If you are gay, you are NOT heterosexual. There are in the wide spectrum of human sexuality people who identify as being bisexual, butt if you are gay, you are born that way and cannot change, however people have the right to masquerade as heterosexual to fit in due to all kinds of reasons. If it is their choice, that is OK, however for the church to go around saying that they are not really gay butt heterosexual is both untrue and grossly misleading. Of course these people accept the Christian line...if they have deep faith...they really have no other choice. Their path however going into the future, is likey to be unhappy and unfulfilled. Of course it is possible to remain celibate....just look how well your Catholic priests have done it!
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Post by Arlon10 on May 14, 2018 21:38:47 GMT
The “unnatural” sin of homosexuality. <photos of animals attempting homosexual acts> Animals with brain damage might do that. As a military supervisor you might know.
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