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Post by THawk on May 14, 2018 21:59:46 GMT
I like how in your mind you are trying to justify why you are being hateful and bigoted and discounting people's own explanations of their journeys. People can be in heterosexual relationships and be married for 40 years and have children when they come out as gay - and them being gay is perfectly accepted and not questioned ('they have finally embraced their true selves!') . But people who are in gay relationships before they say have been sexually confused but are actually heterosexual - just as I said, you paint them as brainwashed or controlled by religious puppet masters, not giving the slightest F about what they themselves have to say and try to explain to you. Liberals - "tolerance and acceptance for all, except this giant ass, unending list of groups and people we despise!" So much for human rights. Like most of what you say, this post is both perplexing and illogical. Just how am I being hateful and bigoted by explaining that it is factually and biologically impossible for these people to stop being homosexual yet they wish to appease the church that means something to them? I feel sorry for these individuals that they have to make such difficult decisions in their lives due to the pressure THEY PERCEIVE from the church. Their explanation, is in fact YOUR explanation and those in the church like you. IF people in gay relationships are gay, then they are NOT CONFUSED ( for the above reasons in my last post ) they are gay....born that way...biologically unable to change, though to please and appease the current religious pressure on them, they are agreeing to be celibate and reject their previous 'gay' lifestyle perhaps not even know that they can never change being 'gay'. If the Church was truly Christian in deed as well as word, they would accept these individuals how God made them and NOT try to change their behaviours and sense of who they are. If you are gay, you are NOT heterosexual. There are in the wide spectrum of human sexuality people who identify as being bisexual, butt if you are gay, you are born that way and cannot change, however people have the right to masquerade as heterosexual to fit in due to all kinds of reasons. If it is their choice, that is OK, however for the church to go around saying that they are not really gay butt heterosexual is both untrue and grossly misleading. Of course these people accept the Christian line...if they have deep faith...they really have no other choice. Their path however going into the future, is likey to be unhappy and unfulfilled. Of course it is possible to remain celibate....just look how well your Catholic priests have done it! I have not made a single 'argument' about anything in this thread, I am not part of any specific church doctrine on the issue, - assumption after assumption after assumption... The only thing I have said is that these people also need to be heard, they need to be listed to in full, and their genuine experiences need to be believed. The same courtesy that liberal-approved groups receive. Simple. But they are not, they are shunned and ridiculed, with the mere suggestion that someone listens to their experience met with - well even worse derogation than the one you and your buds in this thread are expressing. If this isn't first-class bigotry I do not know what is.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 14, 2018 22:32:53 GMT
Some people manage to give up on the "gay lifestyle" without making a song and dance out of it.
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Post by phludowin on May 14, 2018 22:43:55 GMT
Hey, anyone can make a mistake. Most homosexuals don't want to admit it. Luckily there's a solution for the mistake of pretending to be ex-gay: Become ex-ex-gay. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-ex-gay
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Post by goz on May 14, 2018 22:44:24 GMT
Like most of what you say, this post is both perplexing and illogical. Just how am I being hateful and bigoted by explaining that it is factually and biologically impossible for these people to stop being homosexual yet they wish to appease the church that means something to them? I feel sorry for these individuals that they have to make such difficult decisions in their lives due to the pressure THEY PERCEIVE from the church. Their explanation, is in fact YOUR explanation and those in the church like you. IF people in gay relationships are gay, then they are NOT CONFUSED ( for the above reasons in my last post ) they are gay....born that way...biologically unable to change, though to please and appease the current religious pressure on them, they are agreeing to be celibate and reject their previous 'gay' lifestyle perhaps not even know that they can never change being 'gay'. If the Church was truly Christian in deed as well as word, they would accept these individuals how God made them and NOT try to change their behaviours and sense of who they are. If you are gay, you are NOT heterosexual. There are in the wide spectrum of human sexuality people who identify as being bisexual, butt if you are gay, you are born that way and cannot change, however people have the right to masquerade as heterosexual to fit in due to all kinds of reasons. If it is their choice, that is OK, however for the church to go around saying that they are not really gay butt heterosexual is both untrue and grossly misleading. Of course these people accept the Christian line...if they have deep faith...they really have no other choice. Their path however going into the future, is likey to be unhappy and unfulfilled. Of course it is possible to remain celibate....just look how well your Catholic priests have done it! I have not made a single 'argument' about anything in this thread, I am not part of any specific church doctrine on the issue, - assumption after assumption after assumption... The only thing I have said is that these people also need to be heard, they need to be listed to in full, and their genuine experiences need to be believed. The same courtesy that liberal-approved groups receive. Simple. But they are not, they are shunned and ridiculed, with the mere suggestion that someone listens to their experience met with - well even worse derogation than the one you and your buds in this thread are expressing. If this isn't first-class bigotry I do not know what is. NOTHING I have said in this thread is bigoted. I have stated FACTS that many sectors of the Christian Church disagree with and using that attach bigoted views to homosexuals in general. I have expressed pity for this group and acknowledged their right to express their views, and the probable consequences of these church 'influenced' health and welfare based on the application of those FACTS which those said sectors refute. THAT is the issue. No-one is saying that these people are lying or not expressing their views. We are saying that those views are coloured by the attitudes of the institution of which they sincerely wish to stay a part, which is a form of emotional blackmail and subtle indoctrination which goes again the FACTS and hence their best interests. People do stuff like this all the time and are delusional...I will repeat. It is their right to do so. Also, you cannot expect those who act in accordance with those facts, to like it. It is like saying to a black person in the 1950's..."You are welcome in our church butt you have to go and have your skin whitened and change the way you speak." ie become something you are not, to be accepted here.
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Post by goz on May 14, 2018 22:50:15 GMT
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Post by captainbryce on May 15, 2018 0:21:57 GMT
The “unnatural” sin of homosexuality. <photos of animals attempting homosexual acts> Animals with brain damage might do that. As a military supervisor you might know. So gay animals all have brain damage?
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Post by Arlon10 on May 15, 2018 0:34:54 GMT
Animals with brain damage might do that. As a military supervisor you might know. So gay animals all have brain damage? I'm just ridiculing your preposterous notion that because animals do something it makes any sense. Dogs eat their own vomit. There might be several things I would count as "brain damage" that you as a military supervisor might have to let serve.
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Post by captainbryce on May 15, 2018 1:31:52 GMT
So gay animals all have brain damage? I'm just ridiculing your preposterous notion Really? How exactly are you accomplishing that by using kettle logic? You’re not doing a very good job at ridiculing anything if the best you can come up with is implying “brain damage” to animals when you have no such evidence or expertise to do so. Either it’s NORMAL for animals to do things you don’t understand, OR there is something wrong with the animals. You can’t have it both ways. that because animals do something it makes any sense. Dogs eat their own vomit. I sure most people throw up inside their mouth a little when they have a conversation with you too. But regardless of what SOME dogs do (I just showed homosexuality existing in a variety of different animal species that aren’t dogs), the fact remains that it defeats the notion that it is “unnatural”. There might be several things I would count as "brain damage" that you as a military supervisor might have to let serve. I’m not interested in your ignorance of the military in this discussion. I’m more interested in just how long you can jump through hoops trying to reconcile the futility of your failed argument and feeble insults. You’re never going to win the insult battle Arlon because the only person amused by your comments is yourself. The thing that makes you different from Erjen, Maya, Cody, and some of the other ignorant nut jobs on here is that you actually think you are “smart”, which makes you particularly pitiful. They at least have some degree of awareness of just how dumb they sound sometimes, but you actually take your own bullshit serious. You have this crazy idea running around in your head that you are “clever” or that you have some deep thought or insight to enlighten people with in those rambling, nonsensical rants that you go on. But you often sound like you’re on drugs.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 15, 2018 4:10:33 GMT
I'm just ridiculing your preposterous notion Really? How exactly are you accomplishing that by using kettle logic? You’re not doing a very good job at ridiculing anything if the best you can come up with is implying “brain damage” to animals when you have no such evidence or expertise to do so. Either it’s NORMAL for animals to do things you don’t understand, OR there is something wrong with the animals. You can’t have it both ways. that because animals do something it makes any sense. Dogs eat their own vomit. I sure most people throw up inside their mouth a little when they have a conversation with you too. But regardless of what SOME dogs do (I just showed homosexuality existing in a variety of different animal species that aren’t dogs), the fact remains that it defeats the notion that it is “unnatural”. There might be several things I would count as "brain damage" that you as a military supervisor might have to let serve. I’m not interested in your ignorance of the military in this discussion. I’m more interested in just how long you can jump through hoops trying to reconcile the futility of your failed argument and feeble insults. You’re never going to win the insult battle Arlon because the only person amused by your comments is yourself. The thing that makes you different from Erjen, Maya, Cody, and some of the other ignorant nut jobs on here is that you actually think you are “smart”, which makes you particularly pitiful. They at least have some degree of awareness of just how dumb they sound sometimes, but you actually take your own bullshit serious. You have this crazy idea running around in your head that you are “clever” or that you have some deep thought or insight to enlighten people with in those rambling, nonsensical rants that you go on. But you often sound like you’re on drugs. Humans vomit when necessary. They never touch vomit otherwise. Maybe that doesn't count you. It's not that I think I'm smart. I never told you anything that other really smart people have told you. Maybe I explained some of it better, that's all. It's that I know you are wrong, or least like to play being wrong on the internet.
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Post by goz on May 15, 2018 4:12:55 GMT
Really? How exactly are you accomplishing that by using kettle logic? You’re not doing a very good job at ridiculing anything if the best you can come up with is implying “brain damage” to animals when you have no such evidence or expertise to do so. Either it’s NORMAL for animals to do things you don’t understand, OR there is something wrong with the animals. You can’t have it both ways. I sure most people throw up inside their mouth a little when they have a conversation with you too. But regardless of what SOME dogs do (I just showed homosexuality existing in a variety of different animal species that aren’t dogs), the fact remains that it defeats the notion that it is “unnatural”. I’m not interested in your ignorance of the military in this discussion. I’m more interested in just how long you can jump through hoops trying to reconcile the futility of your failed argument and feeble insults. You’re never going to win the insult battle Arlon because the only person amused by your comments is yourself. The thing that makes you different from Erjen, Maya, Cody, and some of the other ignorant nut jobs on here is that you actually think you are “smart”, which makes you particularly pitiful. They at least have some degree of awareness of just how dumb they sound sometimes, but you actually take your own bullshit serious. You have this crazy idea running around in your head that you are “clever” or that you have some deep thought or insight to enlighten people with in those rambling, nonsensical rants that you go on. But you often sound like you’re on drugs. Humans vomit when necessary. They never touch vomit otherwise. Maybe that doesn't count you. It's not that I think I'm smart. I never told you anything that other really smart people have told you. Maybe I explained some of it better, that's all. It's that I know you are wrong, or least like to play being wrong on the internet. ...ever heard of bulimia Planet Arlon?
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Post by Arlon10 on May 15, 2018 11:20:55 GMT
Humans vomit when necessary. They never touch vomit otherwise. Maybe that doesn't count you. It's not that I think I'm smart. I never told you anything that other really smart people have told you. Maybe I explained some of it better, that's all. It's that I know you are wrong, or least like to play being wrong on the internet. ...ever heard of bulimia Planet Arlon? That and brain damage, yes. Even those people are not eating vomit though.
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Post by captainbryce on May 15, 2018 12:28:28 GMT
Really? How exactly are you accomplishing that by using kettle logic? You’re not doing a very good job at ridiculing anything if the best you can come up with is implying “brain damage” to animals when you have no such evidence or expertise to do so. Either it’s NORMAL for animals to do things you don’t understand, OR there is something wrong with the animals. You can’t have it both ways. I sure most people throw up inside their mouth a little when they have a conversation with you too. But regardless of what SOME dogs do (I just showed homosexuality existing in a variety of different animal species that aren’t dogs), the fact remains that it defeats the notion that it is “unnatural”. I’m not interested in your ignorance of the military in this discussion. I’m more interested in just how long you can jump through hoops trying to reconcile the futility of your failed argument and feeble insults. You’re never going to win the insult battle Arlon because the only person amused by your comments is yourself. The thing that makes you different from Erjen, Maya, Cody, and some of the other ignorant nut jobs on here is that you actually think you are “smart”, which makes you particularly pitiful. They at least have some degree of awareness of just how dumb they sound sometimes, but you actually take your own bullshit serious. You have this crazy idea running around in your head that you are “clever” or that you have some deep thought or insight to enlighten people with in those rambling, nonsensical rants that you go on. But you often sound like you’re on drugs. Humans vomit when necessary. They never touch vomit otherwise. Maybe that doesn't count you. It's not that I think I'm smart. I never told you anything that other really smart people have told you. Maybe I explained some of it better, that's all. It's that I know you are wrong, or least like to play being wrong on the internet. And after everything I just said, ^THAT ladies and gentlemen was his takeaway!
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Post by THawk on May 15, 2018 12:45:49 GMT
I'm just ridiculing your preposterous notion Really? How exactly are you accomplishing that by using kettle logic? You’re not doing a very good job at ridiculing anything if the best you can come up with is implying “brain damage” to animals when you have no such evidence or expertise to do so. Either it’s NORMAL for animals to do things you don’t understand, OR there is something wrong with the animals. You can’t have it both ways. that because animals do something it makes any sense. Dogs eat their own vomit. I sure most people throw up inside their mouth a little when they have a conversation with you too. But regardless of what SOME dogs do (I just showed homosexuality existing in a variety of different animal species that aren’t dogs), the fact remains that it defeats the notion that it is “unnatural”. There might be several things I would count as "brain damage" that you as a military supervisor might have to let serve. I’m not interested in your ignorance of the military in this discussion. I’m more interested in just how long you can jump through hoops trying to reconcile the futility of your failed argument and feeble insults. You’re never going to win the insult battle Arlon because the only person amused by your comments is yourself. The thing that makes you different from Erjen, Maya, Cody, and some of the other ignorant nut jobs on here is that you actually think you are “smart”, which makes you particularly pitiful. They at least have some degree of awareness of just how dumb they sound sometimes, but you actually take your own bullshit serious. You have this crazy idea running around in your head that you are “clever” or that you have some deep thought or insight to enlighten people with in those rambling, nonsensical rants that you go on. But you often sound like you’re on drugs. Bro, you are using the very worst argument on the planet regarding gay people, and then are questioning the brains of others? Animals, including some of the ones you posted, also kill their young, fathers mate with their offspring, etc. etc. Part of their natural world, which humans do not seek to imitate for obvious reasons. You can be the biggest LGBT supporter in the world and still recognize how this is easily, and I mean easily, the very worst argument anyone can put forth. In fact I can't quite imagine a gay person not being insulted by such 'animal' comparisons.
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Post by captainbryce on May 15, 2018 14:53:20 GMT
Bro, you are using the very worst argument on the planet regarding gay people, and then are questioning the brains of others? Animals, including some of the ones you posted, also kill their young, fathers mate with their offspring, etc. etc. Part of their natural world, which humans do not seek to imitate for obvious reasons. Homie, I’m actually using the BEST argument that accomplishes my intended goal to discredit the notion that homosexuality is “unnatural” by proving that it occurs frequently in nature, and is thus by definition natural. If you want to argue whether or not it is “moral” or “beneficial”, that’s a completely separate discussion (that I wasn’t addressing). But the original statement referred to it as unnatural, which is false. You can be the biggest LGBT supporter in the world and still recognize how this is easily, and I mean easily, the very worst argument anyone can put forth. In fact I can't quite imagine a gay person not being insulted by such 'animal' comparisons. I compare everyone to animals because all human beings are part of the animal kingdom (including you).
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 15, 2018 19:14:27 GMT
So bizarre...
"I believe those who choose to engage in homosexual sin also have the right not to engage in homosexuality, and they have the choice to seek therapy for their unnatural and unwanted desires."
So they're marching for the right to... do what they've already done.
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Post by captainbryce on May 15, 2018 19:34:56 GMT
So bizarre... "I believe those who choose to engage in homosexual sin also have the right not to engage in homosexuality, and they have the choice to seek therapy for their unnatural and unwanted desires." So they're marching for the right to... do what they've already done.
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Post by Cinemachinery on May 15, 2018 19:40:45 GMT
So bizarre... "I believe those who choose to engage in homosexual sin also have the right not to engage in homosexuality, and they have the choice to seek therapy for their unnatural and unwanted desires." So they're marching for the right to... do what they've already done. I mean, given this blatant fact, it's pretty obvious there's more to this than "we want rights" given that the rights are already possessed. It's a pretty thinly veiled swipe at other homosexuals - the use of "unnatural", etc. - it's not enough they can "not be gay" if they want to - it's other people's lives they're targeting. I do love that the article presents a couple dozen people as "the movement gaining momentum" - that's some hopeful wording, right there. I support every Christians right to "not be gay". I sure wish they'd be as respectful of those who go the other direction. It's simply none of their business.
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Post by progressiveelement on May 15, 2018 19:47:32 GMT
The “unnatural” sin of homosexuality. <photos of animals attempting homosexual acts> Animals with brain damage might do that. As a military supervisor you might know. Military =/= stupid. 😎 The idea of risking life and limb while ensuring your enemies lose theirs might be a very alien concept to the average civvy, but that doesn't mean they're stupid, and not everyone who joins is a frontline grunt. While everyone goes through basic combat training, you need to have a very high level of education for a great deal of roles. Pilots, sonar operators, doctors, engineers, these are not roles for idiots. 😎
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on May 15, 2018 21:24:05 GMT
I'm really struggling to see what you're celebrating. 50 homosexuals haven't become heterosexual - they've just become celibate. So all their faith has succeeded in doing is suppressing their desire - not changing it. And 50 is statistically an insignificant number compared to the hundreds of thousands of practising homosexual Christians in America right now.
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Post by rizdek on May 16, 2018 0:08:20 GMT
Hey, anyone can make a mistake. Most homosexuals don't want to admit it. Well, I guess that's why they were practicing.
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