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Post by Lord Death Man on May 14, 2018 14:46:25 GMT
Good point. We need more people like you who are ever vigilant when it comes to the MCU and their rampant negligence and haphazard storytelling. We need a man with an eagle-eye who can spot the details. That man is you.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 14, 2018 15:02:04 GMT
Good point. We need more people like you who are ever vigilant when it comes to the MC U and their rampa nt negligence and haphazard story telling. We need a man with an eagle-eye who can spot the details. That man is you. So basically you think he should have Feige's job.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2018 15:32:02 GMT
The Accords was only about entering other countries without permission. Stark was still in America when he went after the space ship. That's why nothing was said when he helped the ferry in Homecoming. He's outside the jurisdiction of the Accords once he's in space. Try again. When did they exactly say it was ok to be a vigilante as long as your in your country? Didnt the US government try and take Starks tech away? The point of the accords was to be under the control of senior world security figures for when any terror attack happens. The Avengers have to wait before they can do anything, the U.N calls the shots. Why do you think the heads of other countries signed on? And it came about because they went to Lagos without permission. Which was the last straw after Sokovia.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2018 16:01:16 GMT
Others have made this point already but Stark was operating within his home nation's borders and then in space, neither of which are covered by the accords (as far as we know).
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Post by Nalkarj on May 14, 2018 16:03:13 GMT
Good point. We need more people like you who are ever vigilant when it comes to the MC U and their rampa nt negligence and haphazard story telling. We need a man with an eagle-eye who can spot the details. That man is you. So basically you think he should have Feige's job. So basically he’s saying that DC-Fan should have Feige’s job.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 14, 2018 16:23:48 GMT
Others have made this point already but Stark was operating within his home nation's borders and then in space, neither of which are covered by the accords (as far as we know). A lost opportunity when it comes to product placement.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 14, 2018 16:26:47 GMT
A lost opportunity when it comes to product placement. Iron Man: "We must do our CIVIC duty by by turning this PILOT program into real ACCORDS that ACURA-tly FIT the problem.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 14, 2018 16:30:24 GMT
A lost opportunity when it comes to product placement. Iron Man: "We must do our CIVIC duty by by turning this PILOT program into real ACCORDS that ACURA-tly FIT the problem. And Steve would have to represent an American car company, Ford. "We need to FOCUS so we can ESCAPE this conFUSION, then go on an EXPEDITION to the EDGE!"
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Post by NormanClature on Nov 14, 2018 23:04:37 GMT
Tony Stark who signed the accords and was so vocal (along with Rhodes) in supporting them doesnt consult General Ross or SHIELD before he takes matters in his own hands and just enters the alien ship after devising a plan with Dr Strange. So not only does this clearly show how flawed Starks thinking of the premise that superheros must be put in some governmental check is, it also renders Civil War the movie essentially useless and just filler since none of its consequences actually matter. The Avengers do whatever they want. Or can anyone show otherwise? I could literally go on all day.....I think the point has been made though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 0:05:18 GMT
Tony Stark who signed the accords and was so vocal (along with Rhodes) in supporting them doesnt consult General Ross or SHIELD before he takes matters in his own hands and just enters the alien ship after devising a plan with Dr Strange. So not only does this clearly show how flawed Starks thinking of the premise that superheros must be put in some governmental check is, it also renders Civil War the movie essentially useless and just filler since none of its consequences actually matter. The Avengers do whatever they want. Or can anyone show otherwise? Thunderbolt wasn't wrong telling Tony he's lucky to not be in one of those cells after the airport fight. To me, this is Tony cracking down trying to use logic and reason, but he's too emotional a creature. He's egotistical, which means he thinks every position that he takes is that much stronger for him taking it. Because, like a lot of people with big egos, he considers his intelligence as a source, and would probably truly cite himself in an argument.
I think that he had some moments where he was trying to reign it in because he does have an obligatory sense of doing what's right for people, but again, it's ego driven because he thinks people are small and they he owes it to them to protect them. I know he feels emotions and pain, but that woman at the elevator in Civil War, she's an ant to him. It's important, maybe more important, for Iron Man to act on her behalf because it sets the example for what's right, not because he's consumed by emotion. When he's really consumed by emotion, like you said, he does what he wants. Funny enough, when he's consumed by those emotions is probably when he's closer to being right. Captain America said it during their debate; the accord could send them where they're not needed or stop them from being sent where they are needed. It's legalese and paperwork, but once there's a chance to get on that ship with Strange, he doesn't sit and wait for permission. He'll just do it, and probably never let you get a word in unless you're even more egotistical than him. No easy feat but Strange has his moments.
In Iron Man 2 he was certain that it was his right as a private citizen that the government not confiscate his technology. He sometimes tries too hard to lead by example from the pedestal he thinks he needs to be on to honor his deceased parents. Accords Iron Man would try and arrest Bucky and make him stand trial for murdering his parents, but real Tony doesn't care because "he killed my mom".
I could be reaching but that's why Rogers is so fed up with Iron Man, even though he cares for his well being. He's fed up because he knows that even when Iron Man is right, it's usually for appearances sake in front of Ross or other government persons. Rogers sees through it because Tony's making the arguments he makes because he feels he has to, not because he wants to. That must be frustrating, but for some people, being right is more important than being reasonable and that's Tony.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 0:28:56 GMT
If The Accords are useless, how come The Avengers are still divided in "Infinity War?"
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 15, 2018 0:40:01 GMT
Should they switch to Camrys?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Nov 15, 2018 19:31:14 GMT
The Avengers do whatever they want. Or can anyone show otherwise? No, you're pretty much right. None of these stories, whether in the comics OR the movies, is anything at all unless the characters go out and become involved in some kind of conflict. So of course they're still going to continue having adventures. No in-story element is going to stop that.
All the accords do is raise the stakes for the consequences of their actions. But its not going to stop their actions. No actions = no story.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2018 20:14:58 GMT
The Accords were the means by which human governments were trying to control something that was out of their control and which they were afraid of and lusted for at the same time. Problem is they also didn't quite understand it.
The Accords is a completely realistic reaction of how human governments would try to contain super powered heroes. The Accords failing is not proof that it's useless, it's proof that they did not think it through properly.
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