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Post by charzhino on May 17, 2018 12:39:35 GMT
Further to my criticism of the Shuri character in Black Panther seemingly knowing all scientific knowledge in a unlikely manner, this video i came across explains it well how Shuri is written much like Rey from Star Wars, a scientific mary sue who just happens to know everything and feels inherently intellectually superior to guys like Vision & Banner simply because the script demands it.
First 7mins
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 17, 2018 12:53:01 GMT
It's a little ridiculous how she's portrayed as leagues ahead of Banner, but at least there's an explanation in Black Panther. She grew up surrounded by superior tech. Rey just walks out of the desert and is a better pilot than Chewie and Han and is stronger in the force (and more capable with it) than anyone we've ever seen.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 12:54:16 GMT
lol
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Post by Winter_King on May 17, 2018 13:37:29 GMT
Isn't Shuri at some point saved by Black Panther? If she did all that that you mentioned and was still able to fight better than anyone else she might be considered a Mary Sue.
One of the things about the Mary Sue is that she basically has no flaws or her flaws are endearing. I don't think Shuri qualifies as one.
And like the previous poster mentioned there is a good reason why Shuri is the way she is.
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Post by Skaathar on May 17, 2018 14:02:09 GMT
There are a lot of things I like with the MCU movies but their handling of female heroes is not one of them. They're either too boring and underdeveloped (Gamora, BW, Sif) or they overcompensate by making them effortlessly too good or too powerful (Wasp, the women of BP, possibly Captain Marvel).
The only female hero that really interested me was Wanda. Shame they don't focus on her more.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 17, 2018 14:14:11 GMT
Shuri is essentially Q. But q-ter. 🤦♂️
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Post by DSDSquared on May 17, 2018 14:21:57 GMT
I agree. I have hated Shuri since the beginning. She is annoying and she can do anything that the plot requires, not matter how ridiculous. I love the other sister though.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 17, 2018 14:24:19 GMT
I agree. I have hated Shuri since the beginning. She is annoying and she can do anything that the plot requires, not matter how ridiculous. I love the other sister though.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 17, 2018 14:39:41 GMT
I agree. I have hated Shuri since the beginning. She is annoying and she can do anything that the plot requires, not matter how ridiculous. I love the other sister though. Who's the other sister? Or do you mean 'sister?' Racist.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on May 17, 2018 14:58:14 GMT
wow, what a snivelling, turd-obsessed MCU-manchild again, dull as dishwaters too. Try to do a drinking game on him saying "SJW" here. You will be deadly poisoned at the end. That aside, the Shuri character is a Sue at the degree level of Wesley Crusher at best, never comparable with Rey in TFA. To make it objective try it with one of the established Mary Sue writing Checklists, like the famous Mary-Sue-Litmus-Test from springhole (writer site). TFA-Rey reached 150+ points (50 points is a strongly written Sue already) if I remember correctly. Try it with Shuri. www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 15:07:32 GMT
wow, what a snivelling, turd-obsessed MCU-manchild again, dull as dishwaters too. Try to do a drinking game on him saying "SJW" here. You will be deadly poisoned at the end. That aside, the Shuri character is a Sue at the degree level of Wesley Crusher at best, never comparable with Rey in TFA. To make it objective try it with one of the established Mary Sue writing Checklists, like the famous Mary-Sue-Litmus-Test from springhole (writer site). TFA-Rey reached 150+ points (50 points is a strongly written Sue already) if I remember correctly. Try it with Shuri. www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htmI tried it and Shiri got like 27 so that's moderate and the safe-ish range.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 15:22:35 GMT
His take on hulk was a stretch. I saw that more as them wanting to switch it up and focus a bit more on banner.
Besides Hulk received possibly the worse ass whooping he's ever received (so far) so I don't think it's a stretch that he's embarrassed or ashamed.l, especially he has a child like mind anyway.
As for shuri, I can see why her lines in Black Panther could upset some. But that scene in Infinity War? It's obviously played off as a little fun jab between the two. I didn't see it as offensive, I mean if shuri telling banner "I'm sure you did your best" upset you that much than there's not much hope for you.
Oh and Vision = trans? Seriously? He should call himself Mr Fantastic because that's a hell of a stretch!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 15:29:05 GMT
By the way I have a feeling that these anti sjw people are going to flip their shit over Deadpool 2.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 17, 2018 15:30:27 GMT
His take on hulk was a stretch. I saw that more as them wanting to switch it up and focus a bit more on banner. Besides Hulk received possibly the worse ass whooping he's ever received (so far) so I don't think it's a stretch that he's embarrassed or ashamed.l, especially he has a child like mind anyway. As for shuri, I can see why her lines in Black Panther could upset some. But that scene in Infinity War? It's obviously played off as a little fun jab between the two. I didn't see it as offensive, I mean if shuri telling banner "I'm sure you did your best" upset you that much than there's not much hope for you. Oh and Vision = trans? Seriously? He should call himself Mr Fantastic because that's a hell of a stretch! You...you actually watched the video? Boy do I feel ignorant.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 15:41:56 GMT
His take on hulk was a stretch. I saw that more as them wanting to switch it up and focus a bit more on banner. Besides Hulk received possibly the worse ass whooping he's ever received (so far) so I don't think it's a stretch that he's embarrassed or ashamed.l, especially he has a child like mind anyway. As for shuri, I can see why her lines in Black Panther could upset some. But that scene in Infinity War? It's obviously played off as a little fun jab between the two. I didn't see it as offensive, I mean if shuri telling banner "I'm sure you did your best" upset you that much than there's not much hope for you. Oh and Vision = trans? Seriously? He should call himself Mr Fantastic because that's a hell of a stretch! You...you actually watched the video? Boy do I feel ignorant. Yeah, why not? The Anti sjw crowd just as entertaining as the SJW side.
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Post by Skaathar on May 17, 2018 15:46:25 GMT
You...you actually watched the video? Boy do I feel ignorant. Yeah, why not? The Anti sjw crowd just as entertaining as the SJW side. Wow. I only did the first 5 minutes and got bored.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 17, 2018 15:48:02 GMT
I agree. I have hated Shuri since the beginning. She is annoying and she can do anything that the plot requires, not matter how ridiculous. I love the other sister though. Who's the other sister? Or do you mean 'sister?' Racist. The bald headed General lady (Michonne). She is my favorite character in the movie. Isn't she Black Panther's sister?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 17, 2018 15:56:16 GMT
Who's the other sister? Or do you mean 'sister?' Racist. The bald headed General lady (Michonne). She is my favorite character in the movie. Isn't she Black Panther's sister? She's the general of his bodyguards, no relation. She's awesome though, I agree.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 17, 2018 16:00:12 GMT
The bald headed General lady (Michonne). She is my favorite character in the movie. Isn't she Black Panther's sister? She's the general of his bodyguards, no relation. She's awesome though, I agree. Oh okay. I just read up on her. She was just his best friend. I have seen the movie three times now and this entire time I thought that she was one of his sisters. Shows my attention to detail.
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Post by summers8 on May 17, 2018 16:03:38 GMT
Shuri is not really a mary sue Vibranium is the Mary Sue
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