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Post by charzhino on May 17, 2018 16:07:22 GMT
Shuri is not really a mary sue Vibranium is the Mary Sue  I would compare Vibranium with The Force. Both have little clear definition and are at the mercy of the writers. They can write the characters using the mystical powers with subtleness and elegance or write the characters to be Mary Sues like Rey and Shuri. |
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Post by charzhino on May 17, 2018 16:09:56 GMT
And i dont agree with the guy in the video on his other nitpicks like Wanda and Hulk. But his explanation on Shuri compared to the way Joss Whedon handled the meeting of 2 genuises in Stark/Banner in Avengers 1, shows how forced and arrogant they made Shuri look in IW.
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Post by blockbusted on May 17, 2018 16:09:57 GMT
By the way I have a feeling that these anti sjw people are going to flip their shit over Deadpool 2. Why? What's going on with that film? |
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Post by charzhino on May 17, 2018 16:14:57 GMT
And like the previous poster mentioned there is a good reason why Shuri is the way she is. The thing is, there is no good reason. With Banner weve seen and been told hes an world leading expert on gamma ray radiation and general nuclear physics. Tony Stark is a genius scientist and engineer having been shown to make a brand new element. Both are in their 40s and have acquired super human knowledge through decades of western rigorous academic study. Shuri is shown to be a 13 year old girl from Wakanda and outta no where is smarter than both Stark and Banner. |
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Post by Winter_King on May 17, 2018 16:20:46 GMT
And like the previous poster mentioned there is a good reason why Shuri is the way she is. The thing is, there is no good reason. With Banner weve seen and been told hes an world leading expert on gamma ray radiation and general nuclear physics. Tony Stark is a genius scientist and engineer having been shown to make a brand new element. Both are in their 40s and have acquired super human knowledge through decades of western rigorous academic study. Shuri is shown to be a 13 year old girl from Wakanda and outta no where is smarter than both Stark and Banner. I've watched two films with Shuri and I didn't come to the conclusion that she is smarter than Banner and Stark. She is intelligent beyond her years yes. Nevertheless that doesn't make her a Mary Sue. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 18:26:03 GMT
By the way I have a feeling that these anti sjw people are going to flip their shit over Deadpool 2. Why? What's going on with that film? I haven't seen the entire film so it may not make it into the theatrical release, but there's dialogue and certain characters that may seem "sjw" For example there's a line about how the X-Men name is sexist. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 17, 2018 18:26:15 GMT
Shuri is essentially Q. But q-ter. 🤦♂️ Get out. |
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on May 17, 2018 18:36:40 GMT
Shuri is essentially Q. But q-ter. 🤦♂️ Get out. ✌🏻  |
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Post by Skaathar on May 17, 2018 18:52:32 GMT
Shuri is nowhere near Rey's Mary-sueness but I do agree her genuisness is a bit too forced and undeserved. I don't mind her being extra smart, but at least back it up with something more than "well, she's smart because we said so".
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 19:23:14 GMT
I wouldn't say she is nearly as bad as Rey but she is a bit of a Mary Sue. Mostly from an intelligence standpoint. They could've had one throw away line explaining why she's so smart but they didn't so unfortunately that just makes her intelligence poorly written.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 17, 2018 21:23:53 GMT
Doesn't Wakanda have some of the best schools in the world? Just because it's Africa doesn't mean that they can't rival the rest of the world.
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Post by blockbusted on May 17, 2018 21:26:53 GMT
Why? What's going on with that film? I haven't seen the entire film so it may not make it into the theatrical release, but there's dialogue and certain characters that may seem "sjw" For example there's a line about how the X-Men name is sexist. Really? Because I'm reading that some people are angry about supposed ethnic stereotyping in that film. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 17, 2018 21:31:04 GMT
I haven't seen the entire film so it may not make it into the theatrical release, but there's dialogue and certain characters that may seem "sjw" For example there's a line about how the X-Men name is sexist. Really? Because I'm reading that some people are angry about supposed ethnic stereotyping in that film. Maybe it'll piss off both sides? That should be fun! |
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Post by ThatGuy on May 17, 2018 21:33:47 GMT
And like the previous poster mentioned there is a good reason why Shuri is the way she is. The thing is, there is no good reason. With Banner weve seen and been told hes an world leading expert on gamma ray radiation and general nuclear physics. Tony Stark is a genius scientist and engineer having been shown to make a brand new element. Both are in their 40s and have acquired super human knowledge through decades of western rigorous academic study. Shuri is shown to be a 13 year old girl from Wakanda and outta no where is smarter than both Stark and Banner. Shuri was 16 in Black Panther. That was based 2 years ago. Also, Banner is not in the same field of science as Shuri or Stark. Banner was only saying what he and Stark did to Vision. A person saying that someone is the leading expert in something doesn't make them the leading expert. Only the known leading expert. And you say that you've seen that Banner is smart. Didn't you see that Shuri is smart? You guys need everything explained to you in detail to understand what is happening? |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 21:52:55 GMT
Shuri is not really a mary sue Vibranium is the Mary Sue How come da Republic didn't finance da Gungan army with Vibranium? Dis is racist!! Gungan Lives Matter. |
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Post by summers8 on May 17, 2018 23:41:54 GMT
Shuri is not really a mary sue Vibranium is the Mary Sue I would compare Vibranium with The Force. Both have little clear definition and are at the mercy of the writers. They can write the characters using the mystical powers with subtleness and elegance or write the characters to be Mary Sues like Rey and Shuri. The force is a fictional religion like magic fantasy. Vibranium is supposed to be a chemical fictional compound meaning some sort of hard sci fi is needed to explain why it answers all their problems. |
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Post by merh on May 20, 2018 5:44:38 GMT
Further to my criticism of the Shuri character in Black Panther seemingly knowing all scientific knowledge in a unlikely manner, this video i came across explains it well how Shuri is written much like Rey from Star Wars, a scientific mary sue who just happens to know everything and feels inherently intellectually superior to guys like Vision & Banner simply because the script demands it. First 7mins Oh hell. Really, dude? Hulk went to get a weapon from Eitri? When did Hulk go anywhere near Nidavellir? Shuri belittles Vision? Vision didnt make Vision. Stark & Banner did. She's a teen. OF COURSE she thinks she's smarter than any adult in the room. Of course because it seems plain as day to her she would scoff at someone who didnt see it. She FAILS? She said it would take time. Why didnt they take Vision to her a year ago? Steve left Bucky there to be fixed, why not sometime during the 2 years did they not take Vision to get the stone out? She did what she could in the time she had. I am suspicious she will get Vision running without the stone based on the comment Banner made that there was lots of other stuff there without the stone. If anyone was dissed, it was Stark who we have seen has made many wrong decisions. He couldnt even call Steve with the crap hitting the fan as it was. The guy is upset 2 gals come to the rescue of another gal to beat up the bad gal? Did he want Panther to save Wanda? Wouldnt it make sense to have gals beat the gal rather than have a guy kill her? Rather unchivalrous. Although that seems to be this guy's rhing. He sounds like a giant defensive wuss, whining about any icky girls getting cooties on his guy stuff. The movie has Stark, Strange, Wong, Hulk, Banner, Quill, Groot, Rocket, Drax, Heimdall, Thor, Loki, Spidey, Cap, Falcon, War Machine, T'Challa & M'Baku 18 guys. I see the cloak of levitation as male, but I'll give you gender neutral. Vs Widow, Wanda, Shuri, Gamora, Nebula, & Okoye 6 gals. 1/3 as many gals as guys & this boy is crying to his mama about girls? Oh, and the whole fricken transgender crap? REALLY?Removing the stone is like removing Vision's penis? First off, Vision is an ANDROID, not a robot. www.techrepublic.com/blog/geekend/the-difference-between-robots-and-androids/Vision has always been an android So where does videoguy get Vision trying to transition into being human? Does he know crap about sci fi? Data? Questor Tapes? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 21, 2018 14:12:46 GMT
Further to my criticism of the Shuri character in Black Panther seemingly knowing all scientific knowledge in a unlikely manner, this video i came across explains it well how Shuri is written much like Rey from Star Wars, a scientific mary sue who just happens to know everything and feels inherently intellectually superior to guys like Vision & Banner simply because the script demands it. First 7mins Oh hell. Really, dude? Hulk went to get a weapon from Eitri? When did Hulk go anywhere near Nidavellir? Shuri belittles Vision? Vision didnt make Vision. Stark & Banner did. She's a teen. OF COURSE she thinks she's smarter than any adult in the room. Of course because it seems plain as day to her she would scoff at someone who didnt see it. She FAILS? She said it would take time. Why didnt they take Vision to her a year ago? Steve left Bucky there to be fixed, why not sometime during the 2 years did they not take Vision to get the stone out? She did what she could in the time she had. I am suspicious she will get Vision running without the stone based on the comment Banner made that there was lots of other stuff there without the stone. If anyone was dissed, it was Stark who we have seen has made many wrong decisions. He couldnt even call Steve with the crap hitting the fan as it was. The guy is upset 2 gals come to the rescue of another gal to beat up the bad gal? Did he want Panther to save Wanda? Wouldnt it make sense to have gals beat the gal rather than have a guy kill her? Rather unchivalrous. Although that seems to be this guy's rhing. He sounds like a giant defensive wuss, whining about any icky girls getting cooties on his guy stuff. The movie has Stark, Strange, Wong, Hulk, Banner, Quill, Groot, Rocket, Drax, Heimdall, Thor, Loki, Spidey, Cap, Falcon, War Machine, T'Challa & M'Baku 18 guys. I see the cloak of levitation as male, but I'll give you gender neutral. Vs Widow, Wanda, Shuri, Gamora, Nebula, & Okoye 6 gals. 1/3 as many gals as guys & this boy is crying to his mama about girls? Oh, and the whole fricken transgender crap? REALLY?Removing the stone is like removing Vision's penis? First off, Vision is an ANDROID, not a robot. www.techrepublic.com/blog/geekend/the-difference-between-robots-and-androids/Vision has always been an android So where does videoguy get Vision trying to transition into being human? Does he know crap about sci fi? Data? Questor Tapes? TL;DR: charzhino fundamentally understands comics and you don't. |
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Post by merh on May 22, 2018 2:01:21 GMT
Oh hell. Really, dude? Hulk went to get a weapon from Eitri? When did Hulk go anywhere near Nidavellir? Shuri belittles Vision? Vision didnt make Vision. Stark & Banner did. She's a teen. OF COURSE she thinks she's smarter than any adult in the room. Of course because it seems plain as day to her she would scoff at someone who didnt see it. She FAILS? She said it would take time. Why didnt they take Vision to her a year ago? Steve left Bucky there to be fixed, why not sometime during the 2 years did they not take Vision to get the stone out? She did what she could in the time she had. I am suspicious she will get Vision running without the stone based on the comment Banner made that there was lots of other stuff there without the stone. If anyone was dissed, it was Stark who we have seen has made many wrong decisions. He couldnt even call Steve with the crap hitting the fan as it was. The guy is upset 2 gals come to the rescue of another gal to beat up the bad gal? Did he want Panther to save Wanda? Wouldnt it make sense to have gals beat the gal rather than have a guy kill her? Rather unchivalrous. Although that seems to be this guy's rhing. He sounds like a giant defensive wuss, whining about any icky girls getting cooties on his guy stuff. The movie has Stark, Strange, Wong, Hulk, Banner, Quill, Groot, Rocket, Drax, Heimdall, Thor, Loki, Spidey, Cap, Falcon, War Machine, T'Challa & M'Baku 18 guys. I see the cloak of levitation as male, but I'll give you gender neutral. Vs Widow, Wanda, Shuri, Gamora, Nebula, & Okoye 6 gals. 1/3 as many gals as guys & this boy is crying to his mama about girls? Oh, and the whole fricken transgender crap? REALLY?Removing the stone is like removing Vision's penis? First off, Vision is an ANDROID, not a robot. www.techrepublic.com/blog/geekend/the-difference-between-robots-and-androids/Vision has always been an android So where does videoguy get Vision trying to transition into being human? Does he know crap about sci fi? Data? Questor Tapes? TL;DR: charzhino fundamentally understands comics and you don't. He makes those videos on that channel? Because as I pointed out, they swapped out a couole characters. Said it was Hulk & not Thor seeking a new weapon. Swapped Vision for Tony in the Shuri bit they had a cow over. |
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