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Post by DSDSquared on May 18, 2018 12:31:29 GMT
I stopped watching half way through season four. It is just so terrible now. I want to continue. Maybe I will come back, but Jesus these characters have all gotten annoying. The only one I still like is Oliver.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 18, 2018 14:49:31 GMT
Well if you continue watching you won't even like him anymore. Season Five was better than the previous two seasons, but they squandered their good will in Season Six by going back to old, bad habits.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 11:41:57 GMT
Ahhh, Season 4 is generally considered the worst season of 'Arrow' to many fans unless you count diehard Olicity fans and Donna fans or read the Rotten Tomatoes site. When Olicity become the main focus of the show a lot of extreme Olicity fans wanted the writers to get rid of all the action in the show along with Oliver being the Green Arrow and make it into a Romantic Comedy with Felicity and Donna being the main focus and while it thankfully never went that far the showrunners listened to them and we got more Donna than we could possibly handle and more Olicity focused episodes. Whenever anybody criticised the season for going down in quality they were told the show had matured and was better than it had ever been until Stephen Amell and Marc Guggenheim admitted how bad it was and then the same people who spent all season saying how good it was criticised it and blamed the magic.
You are best to just watch the crossover episode that set up 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' (if you plan on watching that show too) and skip to Season 5.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 19, 2018 19:22:23 GMT
Or better yet, stop right now. Season 5 gives you hope that the show is back on track but then Season 6 laughs in your face for believing that and rips out your heart and stomps on it.
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Post by dazz on May 19, 2018 22:52:30 GMT
Deb what the fuck are you saying don't encourage the boy to watch the shit that didn't really set up LOT S1, especially since everything established in those episodes are hammered into your head like a fucking drum in LOT, including what Kendra did for a living, and besides LOT S1 gives Arrow S4 a run for it's money as worst season of any Arrowverse show ever.
But yeah skip S4 you don't miss anything, and skip S1 of LOT aswell just watch a youtube comp of Snart's best moments and you're good to go for S2 really.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 20, 2018 13:04:06 GMT
Maybe Deb thinks "If I have to suffer everyone must suffer! Bwahahaha!"
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Post by DSDSquared on May 21, 2018 12:05:08 GMT
I am still watching, but I quite the other shows. I am just watching Arrow and am almost done season four. Some parts are a little confusing because it continues from or references stuff from other shows, but I know enough about the comic lore that I can follow along. It was weird having Constantine in one episode. I guess that was supposed to be a thing.
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Post by dazz on May 21, 2018 14:07:55 GMT
It was worth it just for the jab at NBC, also in a season of Felicity sycophantasia having Constantine show up and not give a monkeys about her let alone the notion of lavishing her with praise made for a nice reprieve imo.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 21, 2018 14:44:03 GMT
Characters keep showing up now that I do not know, referencing things I never saw. Luckily, as I said, I know who these people are, being a fans of comics and all, but I feel I should still be continuing Flash. I just got tired of watching it. Also, the action seems lazy this season. It is not that it is bad, it is just that there is some big action scene every episode and it feels like there is nothing to it. They just happen. There is never any danger or suspense. Heck, even Laurel now takes out like ten trained guys single handedly.
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Post by dazz on May 21, 2018 15:53:59 GMT
I don't know who shows up that you need to watch the other shows to get in S4 of Arrow, most of the pop ins are pre-crossover to set up the Arrow side of LOT's roster, but they are all Arrow characters from previous seasons, except Constantine who until LOT S3 only appeared in Arrow out of these shows.
Yeah the fights were a major gripe of the Felicity years, they were in the show because they felt they needed to do them but clearly as they don't serve to benefit Felicity it's paint by numbers blegh just till they get back to her.
The dumbest thing is the set S4 of with the team unable to handle HIVE themselves so they go get Oliver, Oliver returns and they act like they don't need him, then the show specifically goes out of it's way to make Oliver seem inferior for back to back episodes for the next month making them needing him seem stupid.
Laurel fighting guys now has no reason not to make sense Oliver basically became a world class fighter between the S1 Flashback Finale and S2 Flashback premier which was 6 months, Laurel by midseason S4 has been training with a world champion boxer, LOA Elite, LOA Trainee, Ex special forces with 3 years if elite hand 2 hand training experience with a former LOA leader, and said former LOA leader and by the Arrowverse standards THE best fighter in their multiverse, so Laurel has no reason not to be taken seriously anymore than Thea or Oliver, but S3 fucked up the build so people have a bad taste in their mouths about it.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 21, 2018 16:31:56 GMT
I don't know who shows up that you need to watch the other shows to get in S4 of Arrow, most of the pop ins are pre-crossover to set up the Arrow side of LOT's roster, but they are all Arrow characters from previous seasons, except Constantine who until LOT S3 only appeared in Arrow out of these shows. Yeah the fights were a major gripe of the Felicity years, they were in the show because they felt they needed to do them but clearly as they don't serve to benefit Felicity it's paint by numbers blegh just till they get back to her. The dumbest thing is the set S4 of with the team unable to handle HIVE themselves so they go get Oliver, Oliver returns and they act like they don't need him, then the show specifically goes out of it's way to make Oliver seem inferior for back to back episodes for the next month making them needing him seem stupid. Laurel fighting guys now has no reason not to make sense Oliver basically became a world class fighter between the S1 Flashback Finale and S2 Flashback premier which was 6 months, Laurel by midseason S4 has been training with a world champion boxer, LOA Elite, LOA Trainee, Ex special forces with 3 years if elite hand 2 hand training experience with a former LOA leader, and said former LOA leader and by the Arrowverse standards THE best fighter in their multiverse, so Laurel has no reason not to be taken seriously anymore than Thea or Oliver, but S3 fucked up the build so people have a bad taste in their mouths about it. Plenty of characters show up. For instance, you have no idea what this Egypt reincarnation story is without watching another show. Luckily, I already knew the characters. Also, we have seen through multiple flashbacks that Oliver has been training for eight years at this point with Slade, various people on the island, Malcolm, The LOA, etc. It just seems that everyone on this show becomes an expert fighter in such a short time yet LOA members and HIVE members who have trained their entire lives are no match for Thea and Laurel.
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Post by dazz on May 21, 2018 21:10:16 GMT
Actually Oliver in S1 only had the training we barely see in S1 & 2 most of his training is off-screen after that Oliver's skills as a fighter are cemented, everything else he goes through is filler bullshit that just happens to tie into the theme of his issues he will face exactly 5 years later.
He's shown learning rudimentary lessons such as he tortures 1 guy and becomes an expert at it, he is seen learning basic Japanese or Chinese from a child and he becomes fluent with a flawless accent, he learns about mystism and meets an ally he never see's again until 5 years later yet somehow this 1 time meeting has these two guys acting like old friends, and honestly how does a guy like Constantine have the same mobile number for 5 years so Oliver can contact him?
Oliver at this point yes is a well trained fighter but apart from keeping the skills Slade & Shado taught him honed Oliver learns no new techniques or styles after that, Laurel in S4 should have a far greater degree of education in the martial arts than Oliver did in S1 same with Thea based on them actually having spent 12-18 months training and under multiple teachers and disciplines, oh I forgot Oliver spent what 2 weeks training with Talia also but then Laurel spent a month training with Nyssa so isn't it kinda of a wash?
Also you only need to see the other crossover episode which is the case for all crossover events, watch them all because they are meant to be seen as one solid story, but Kendra's backstory is only hinted at in Flash until the crossover and neither Hawkman or Savage appear prior to it either.
Edit: Not arguing the fighting skill logic is not BS, it is Diggle now has spent 6 years training with Oliver who has supposedly grown leap and bounds as a fighter himself, but Diggle barely looks any more competent a fighter than he was in S1, but Oliver can in a month go from being a plaything for Ra's in their fight to being able to best him in the rematch with just 1 months training if it? it's all bloody nonsense.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 22, 2018 12:01:14 GMT
I agree that it is all nonsense, but at least Oliver is Green Arrow and the main character. I let that stuff slide. He is supposed to be the badass. It gets annoying when EVERY character becomes a badass. There is no dynamic anymore. It is not exciting. Even Curtis fought with Roy at Palmer Tech when he was under The Calculator's control and he was flipping around and holding his own. Did I miss something? Can anyone on this show not fight like a ninja?
Also, I will maybe start watching the other parts of the crossovers so it makes sense. I have not yet and it does make a difference.
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Post by dazz on May 22, 2018 12:23:12 GMT
Yeah Arrow has it rough if you only watch a single show with the crossovers as it's never the first in the series, so your always dropped in atleast 1/4 way into a 4 part story, atleast on Flash or Supergirl they have been the jumping off point for the events so you can watch and just not follow it up if you don't want to, but coming in midway is a nuisance.
Felicity still cant fight worth a damn but that's about it, Curtis atleast had the Olympian thing going in his favour, but the shows done this stuff repeatedly, like Roy was a shit archer then he goes into a coma and he's suddenly proficient, and Diggle despite having had to use a bow several times is useless, seeing as he's meant to be Oliver's stand in/replacement for 6 years youd figure he may have tried to learn at some point, right?
I still get more annoyed with Felicity somehow being able to hit a guy in the shoulder whose the same height as her roughly when he's on the opposite side of the room as her and she's shooting the gun into the ceiling, or you know her demanding they don't side with Malcolm and risk their lives and the peoples lives to fight Brick but then she fucking scarpers when the shit kicking commenced.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:05:07 GMT
Deb what the fuck are you saying don't encourage the boy to watch the shit that didn't really set up LOT S1, especially since everything established in those episodes are hammered into your head like a fucking drum in LOT, including what Kendra did for a living, and besides LOT S1 gives Arrow S4 a run for it's money as worst season of any Arrowverse show ever. But yeah skip S4 you don't miss anything, and skip S1 of LOT aswell just watch a youtube comp of Snart's best moments and you're good to go for S2 really. Hey. I am just saying if DSDSquared likes those characters and wants to see their proper introductions he should watch the crossover episode 'cause that was the first time we got to see them and while it wasn't great I feel it was the only time when they made Vandal Savage look like a real threat in the shows and in 'DC's Legends of Tomorrow' Season 1 he may have still been powerful but he wasn't shown as being as powerful as he was killing all the superheroes in that episode by himself again.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:07:26 GMT
Maybe Deb thinks "If I have to suffer everyone must suffer! Bwahahaha!" You don't know true suffering until you have sat through an episode of 'Home And Away' or 'Neighbours.'
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Post by DSDSquared on May 24, 2018 13:19:54 GMT
This sucks. I just wrote a large post and it deleted. Horrible. I am not doing it again. The gist was that Felicity and Oliver are annoying as Hell and I decided to watch the entire universe.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:26:00 GMT
This sucks. I just wrote a large post and it deleted. Horrible. I am not doing it again. The gist was that Felicity and Oliver are annoying as Hell and I decided to watch the entire universe. I nearly had that exact same thing happen to one of my posts a few minutes ago but I copied it with my mouse so I didn't lose it. While we don't have the same amount of errors the old IMDB Board had this forum has a few errors from time to time which is why I try to save my posts especially when I am writing a long one.
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Post by BexxyJ on May 30, 2018 8:55:48 GMT
Let me get this straight. It's Donna, right? She knows how to make an impression. Donna was at the top of the mountain in season 4. Even Debbie hated her guts and she is more forgiving of Felicity than me.
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Post by DSDSquared on May 31, 2018 12:31:29 GMT
Season 5 has been very entertaining. Granted, some of the stuff that happens is still so eye rolling. The team breaking up again and the most obvious villain reveal in history. Anyone who did not know that the DA was Prometheus is lying to themselves. I knew his very first scene. At first, I thought he could be Vigilante, but then it became pretty obvious he was the main bad. I hate how he so easily got away with everything and manipulated the team. They try to write it like he is so clever and he is always so many steps ahead, but really they have to make everyone on the team make the dumbest decisions known to man for Chase to win.
Even saying all of that I still really like this season. I am almost done Season 5. I do like all of the Bratva stuff. I still have not watched the other shows besides Flash season one and I am not sure if I will. I do catch the crossover episodes just to be on the same page, but besides that I am just watching Arrow. I am curious to go back and watch Flashpoint though.
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