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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 22, 2018 21:08:08 GMT
I suspect the hate will flow through this thread with extreme prejudice.
Pros - Yoda's appearance. Call it fan service but it is lovely to have him appear again as actual puppet controlled by Frank Oz. The throne room battle. Andy Serkis is always good. Adam Driver with his shirt off. My, it's getting hot in here! Couldn't do the same for Rey, I guess. Or Luke. The Force conversations between Rey and Kylo. PorgHub The scene between Luke and Leia. Well acted by both. Ellie Sattler going at light speed to save the Rebels. My respect, you have it.
Cons - There's no reason for Sattler to not tell Poe her plan. It just creates a false conflict and for him to take drastic actions. Leia bringing herself back to the ship. Even for a Star Wars movie, I really had to suspend my disbelief. Some stuff is pretty juvenile, much of it involving BB-8 blasting coins at a guard or controlling an AT-ST. The scenes on Casino Royale are largely forgettable. How was Snoke unable to sense the lightsaber was pointing at him? Good thing he didn't look down to his right.
Not a perfect movie by any means, but mostly satisfying. Should Rian Johnson have received death threats? Certainly not. It's perfectly sane to not like it but I'll never understand the mentality to get that triggered over a pretty harmless movie.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on May 22, 2018 21:30:01 GMT
Pros-
I agree with you about Yoda...filled my heart with joy to see him again, it did.
Luke's death, while maybe not as memorable as seeing him go out kicking ass, was sort of beautifully poetic what with the double sunset and all.
Cons-
Just about everything else, but a couple stand out:
I didn't like Ellie Sattler being the one to sacrifice herself to save the fleet...that honor should have gone to Leia, it would have had much more emotional impact.
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Admiral Ackbar was not given an appropriate exit, he simply got sucked out into space? C'mon Johnson, have a little respect for beloved characters, let him save the fleet as his last act.
The Jar-Jar twins, Finn and Rose. Words cannot express how much I loathe them both.
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Post by vegalyra on May 22, 2018 21:40:17 GMT
No hate just not a great movie. Plus, Rey is pure Mary Sue. Dislike Luke's characterization.
I did like the hyperspace jump destruction scene. I do like Kylo Ren although I wish they had stuck with the mask/voice instead of showing his face.
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Post by ravi02 on May 22, 2018 21:50:57 GMT
Pros -
Mark Hamill does a good job. Like Harrison Ford in Force Awakens, it's a joy to see him having fun Yoda's cameo - funny, yet also fits his character The shot of the Star Destroyer being split in half. Looks awesome!
Everyone else in this thread summed up the positives, so I won't recycle it
Cons -
I'm still frustrated by how The Force Awakens was a bland remake of A New Hope and it sets a poor foundation for Episodes 8 & 9
Snoke's fate. Why build him up to be the big bad in the previous film? At least the battle was fun.
Still not onboard with Rey becoming a skilled Jedi so quickly. It took Luke three films and training under two Jedi masters to face Vader and the Emperor, yet Rey's become powerful in nearly half that time!
Just as TFA recycled scenes from A New Hope, TLJ lifts stuff from Empire - the main Jedi travels to a distant planet to train under an exiled Jedi master, they go into a mysterious cave with disturbing imagery, the rebels face off against the Empire on a snow planet (yeah OK here it had crystals, but still) and the main Jedi and villain communicate through their force powers.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 22, 2018 22:32:18 GMT
Pros - Finn and Rey are much better characters in this. They have some personality and conviction.
Kylo is interesting to watch.
The throne room fight scene is awesome.
The visuals on Crait were cool.
It was pretty well-shot.
After rewatching it, I like the fact that Snoke was killed. I think they put themselves into a corner from a narrative standpoint for Ep. IX, but it develops Kylo as a true villain. I still wish we knew more about Snoke, but where was there to go from TFA with the character anyway?
Cons - Everything on Canto Bight was meaningless and boring.
Holdo and Rose combined to make two of the worst and most annoying Star Wars characters of all time.
Luke was given very little to do. I know the whole point was that he felt responsible for everything that went wrong, but he never technically set foot off that island. How disappointing is that? Also, since when is Luke this pessimistic and dark? Again, I know he exiled himself and wants to be alone for a reason, but he was not the same character to me.
The Resistance fleeing from the First Order in a snail's pace wait-out to see who would run out of fuel was so boring I actually cringed every time it cut back to this thread of the story.
The space battle CGI and most of the CGI on Canto Bight were horrible. This is just the same thing most movies suffer from nowadays: lazy visual effects. It could have looked good, but it didn't.
There was no feeling of adventure. This was more of a drama with some action peppered in. The signature Star Wars adventure feeling was missing completely.
Carrie Poppins.
Luke brushing off his shoulder on Crait. Who thought that was a good idea? Was it supposed to be cool or funny? Because it was neither.
Poe was made out to be a macho dumbass by everyone else (and it's obviously what Johnson wanted us to think of him) when in reality he was the only one using his head and actually doing something about their situation.
We never get a true reaction from Luke on Han's death. This was a huge missed opportunity.
Chewie, C3PO, and R2-D2 were essentially not used at all.
Rey's parents being nobodies was stupid. They could have made the fact that she was so skilled in the Force more believable by giving her special parents, but they instead went the whole "anybody can be a hero" route. This is also a con because they built her parents up so much and made a big deal of it in TFA and the first 3/4 of TLJ, then just threw it all away for shock value.
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Post by alpha128 on May 22, 2018 22:44:44 GMT
Pros- The throne room battle.
Cons- Luke Skywalker, the guy who saved his father Darth Vader, who at that point seemed to be irredeemably evil, decides to kill his own nephew, the child of his sister and his best friend, because he saw the dark side in him.
- The filmmakers bring back Yoda! Does he do anything meaningful, help in the final battle? No! Which means in the final analysis, Admiral Holdo, who was generally incompetent, and only got her position due to the fact everyone above her in the chain of command was either dead or incapacitated, got to be a bigger hero than f-ing Yoda!
- And what about that epic light saber duel between Kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker? Oh, that's right - there wasn't one! If they were going to have Luke die anyway, why not have him be there in person and have a epic duel like Vader's and Obi-Wan's in the original.
- Superman Leia!
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on May 22, 2018 23:01:41 GMT
Pro
The Action
Con
Destroying Luke Skywalker
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 23:31:16 GMT
Each of drivers pecs is about the size of a small dinner plate for someone on a diet.
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Post by darksidebeadle on May 22, 2018 23:34:28 GMT
Cons
Natalie Portman who was fine in the first two is not good in this film.
The Make up on the Emperor is no wear near as convincing as it is in Return of the Jedi
The Silly nurse robot helping Padme give birth is ridiculous
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 22, 2018 23:53:45 GMT
Cons Natalie Portman who was fine in the first two is not good in this film. The Make up on the Emperor is no wear near as convincing as it is in Return of the Jedi The Silly nurse robot helping Padme give birth is ridiculous Was this in the Director's Cut of Last Jedi? |
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Post by darksidebeadle on May 22, 2018 23:56:40 GMT
Cons Natalie Portman who was fine in the first two is not good in this film. The Make up on the Emperor is no wear near as convincing as it is in Return of the Jedi The Silly nurse robot helping Padme give birth is ridiculous Was this in the Director's Cut of Last Jedi? oh shit haha, i read episode III with my blurry morning eyes Cons of last Jedi whole film bar two small scenes Pros of last jedi Luke guzzling blue milk on the side of cliff silent suicide warp through the enemies ship |
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 23, 2018 0:21:06 GMT
Pro
- Luke kinda being able to do his own thing without pandering. Sippin' the milk right outta the animal was a nice #dealwithit gag
Con
- Abandoning any/all depth hinted at from TFA. Thereby negating any/all reason to ever watch them again.
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Post by azzajones on May 23, 2018 0:34:45 GMT
How do bombs fall in the vacuum of space?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on May 23, 2018 0:38:33 GMT
How do bombs fall in the vacuum of space? Did you watch the Cinema Sins video for this today? |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 1:40:40 GMT
Words cannot express how much I loathe them both. U racist bro? |
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Post by sostie on May 23, 2018 9:45:06 GMT
Cons: basically what has become the boring element of the Star Wars films since probably ROTJ...Yoda and most of the Force shite
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Post by Spike Del Rey on May 23, 2018 13:28:24 GMT
Words cannot express how much I loathe them both. U racist bro? Not at all, I just despise stupid characters no matter their race, color, creed, or religion. |
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