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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 10:53:52 GMT
The linesman had a better view of it than you, me or some German exchange students at Oxford uni. So I'm willing to admit the officials got it right that day.
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Post by mandragora on Mar 17, 2017 11:00:28 GMT
Of course you would German exchange students, lol. You mean the Russian linesman who admitted he didn't have a clear sight and concluded from the celebrations of the English players that it must have been a goal? Let's end the OT here. You sound desperate to defend the narrative of poor England being always at the wrong end of poor calls.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Mar 17, 2017 11:01:34 GMT
England didn't go out of the 2010 World Cup as a result of the Lampard goal. You lost 1-4. No, football doesn't work like that, if that goal counts, which the whole stadium saw it cross the line, the game goes 2-2 and Deutschland are now on the backfoot. It is a massive, massive handicap when teams are allowed to foul your players in the box at will, goals are being ruled out for no reason, and referees are giving the opposition goals when they punch the ball in with their bloody hand! I don't know, I don't think it is a conspiracy as such, I just think in the heat of the moment, for one reason or another most foreign referees just don't like the English and are more willing to give the opposition the benefit of the doubt. I mean just tell me one country that has been on the wrong end of just the Maradona handball decision and the Frank Lampard goal. Decisions that bad going against them? I can barely remember us ever getting a break! The closest was a dodgy penalty awarded to Liverpool in the 2005 CL final, and even then, that was a club game and I think they were 2 or 3 goals down at the time so the ref probably felt sorry for them and didn't think it would matter. They were 3-2 down at the time, the penalty was to equalise. The game you referred to earlier between Chelsea and Barcelona with the penalty shouts, Barcelona had a player sent off for almost nothing in the same game. United got an offside goal in 2011 Champions League Final. The reason English teams think there's a conspiracy reason is largely the same reason fans of small teams think that big teams are favoured. If you get a lucky decision and lose anyway - as inferior teams are prone to do - you forget about that decision because it was inconsequential. If the other side gets a lucky decision and wins it's a lot more consequential so you remember a lot more of them, you use it as an excuse. The reality is that all teams are equally. As far as international football politics are concerned England is much more powerful than its population merits for financial and historical reasons.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 17, 2017 11:39:39 GMT
Thanks for posting the videos, Stanley.
Roy and Glenn completely spot on about the banana incident too. Completely staged ... "oh look at how fatigued the fixture list has made my team"!
Mourinho is such a transparent jobby!
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Post by WullieFort on Mar 17, 2017 12:00:02 GMT
Meanwhile back at Old Trafford. United's midfield, Pagba apart, are rubbish. Herrera, Blind, Fellaini. I can't understand why Swinestagger isn't given a few games. He can't be any worse than these and without Ibra the frontline would be very ordinary. Jose has them getting results but he will be looking for better quality in the summer.
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